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Breville Bambino uses thermoblock, so it heats up water as it flows.
where as boiler machine heats up a pot of water. so it requires more energy, and therefor time.
but thermoblock has its issues, lots of issues if you aim for perfection: the temperature coming out of the thermoblock is inversely proportional to the speed of the flow. if you have a perfect flow, e,g, around 27 seconds for 1:2 ratio, then it works wonders, but if you flow differs, say it is bit too fast, then not only you take the penalty of under extraction due to fast flow, but also much lower temperature. so instead of be able to fix two variables out of three (grind size, temperature, time) and fine tune your drink one variable at a time, you are now moving two variables at the same time. this is extremely hard to do if you want consistent good taste of light roast coffee.
you don't have to take my word for it, got yourself a thermometer and test the water out of the Bambino (or anyother thermoblock machine), turn it on and just see the number jumps from 95 to 80 in no time. you would be lucky to have 15ml of water at desired temperature before it fluctuates
i personally have/had espresso machine priced from 200 dollar to 4000 dollars, i think the single most improvement one can do as far as espresso machine is concerned is to move to dual boiler with PID (so you do milk based drink much faster and better). but this been a HX at this price is probably as good as it goes. i won't mind getting it if i were to throw away my current setup
Personally I think the Bambino's 10 second heat up time is a gimmick because the portafilter is still cold. The water might be hot but my extraction is going to suck if the group robs all the heat away.
Because that's not the whole story. 10 minutes means the entire system gets up to temperature, including the relatively large steam boiler, the group, and the portafilter. All this equates to impressively stable brewing temperatures and great steaming performance. No need to preheat the portafilter, and the water temperature coming out of the group is much more consistent, check out Kaffeemacher's review on youtube. It also goes without saying that the stone is extremely serviceable and can be maintained to run indefinitely. Sadly Breville still does not provide parts for their machines, and they are a pain to service the internals. I personally think this thing is a steal, and pretty handsome in person. I own the Lite version, in addition to a La Marzocco GS3, and I admittedly use this machine much more often, with extremely similar results.
Have any of you made the switch from Nespresso to one of these machines?
This machine is a big step up from a Nespresso. It's not as simple as buying it and adding coffee grinds. There's a learning curve involved with buying a "true" espresso machine. It'll also require you to get an espresso capable grinder which could run a few hundred dollars. The one I have is around $400 and it's considered to be an entry level grinder.
This appears to be a 'style' brand aimed at younger buyers fixated on decor. At least the parentage of Rocket/ECM means its capable, but I question 10 minutes for temp stability of all that brass, which appears/tries to mimic an E61 group. Also pointing out you'll need a mid to high dollar grinder to get this machine close to its potential.
Honestly, my Rocket broke down multiple times in 5 years while my prior basic Rancilio lasted over 10 with no issues. My repair guy says he sees more Apartamentos than anything else by a long shot. Also an absolute nightmare to open up. We finally moved on to a Quickmill and would never buy another Rocket.
Just pulled the trigger on this. Don't think there is a better deal to be had in the world of espresso right now. Gonna be a big upgrade for me from my Breville Duo Temp LOL
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For what it is worth, this is a HX machine, and this is as cheap as these machines will go. They typically go for 1500-1700. These machines don't go as cheap as 900 from what I know. I would buy this no question asked if I do not already have Gaggiuino. I am very jealous if this is your starting machine into the hobby, ngl.
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10 min heat up time? How is this better than a $400 Breville Bambino Plus with 10 second heat up time?
People in this hobby cares much more about temp accuracy and stability than time. Stability is achieved with large volume thermal element (i.e. such as a large boiler that holds a big volume of water at the same temperature, big piece of metal group head for water to go through aka the e61). The trade off is it takes time and energy to heat up a big volume of element, but in exchange you get much more stable temperature.
These semi-automatic machines are not for everyone. Major part of the hobby, imho, is enjoying the process of turning beans into your cup of espresso or latte. It's a time consuming process, and takes me extra 10-15 mins every morning to get me my first morning caffeine dose. I could also just grab free pod coffee at my work, but that's a different experience from making my espresso shots at home. You can find something more convenient that is equally drinkable from one of the fastest way to do it in the market using Nepresso Vertuo machines (in exchange for expensive pods and wasting extra plastics), or as mentioned a Bambino.
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This machine has been out for over a year. Based on the almost total lack of independent reviews, looks like no one has been buying it. It seems like someone seriously botched their market analysis.
You don't need a $1000 machine to make good espresso, but you do need to pay up for good steaming power. If this thing can steam milk well, and not break down, I think it's a good deal. Unfortunately it's hard to determine that without customer reviews. It's a gamble.
The Gagguino project essentially adds arduino controls to a Gaggia Classic Pro allowing volumetrics and flow control. Essentially turning it into a Decent. I built mine a little over a year ago and it was a game changer for my coffee. And since it's open source/user community driven there's new updates still coming from the creators.
The Gagguino project essentially adds arduino controls to a Gaggia Classic Pro allowing volumetrics and flow control. Essentially turning it into a Decent. I built mine a little over a year ago and it was a game changer for my coffee. And since it's open source/user community driven there's new updates still coming from the creators.
Yeah, you basically add accurate temp and pressure sensors, and enable fine control of the pump, which unlocks profiling via flow control as Bamato05 says.
With the profiling additions and ability to swap and customize shot profiles and everything it's pretty powerful. My favorite feature might actually be the steam power via pulsing the pump and controlling temp. It makes for a really fully featured compact machine. Also a fun project to build if you're in to that sort of thing.
Honestly, my Rocket broke down multiple times in 5 years while my prior basic Rancilio lasted over 10 with no issues. My repair guy says he sees more Apartamentos than anything else by a long shot. Also an absolute nightmare to open up. We finally moved on to a Quickmill and would never buy another Rocket.
Makes sense..one company has been around for ages, the other, not so long. The ages company has done the magic: substance, then style. The other is still in style over substance.
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where as boiler machine heats up a pot of water. so it requires more energy, and therefor time.
but thermoblock has its issues, lots of issues if you aim for perfection: the temperature coming out of the thermoblock is inversely proportional to the speed of the flow. if you have a perfect flow, e,g, around 27 seconds for 1:2 ratio, then it works wonders, but if you flow differs, say it is bit too fast, then not only you take the penalty of under extraction due to fast flow, but also much lower temperature. so instead of be able to fix two variables out of three (grind size, temperature, time) and fine tune your drink one variable at a time, you are now moving two variables at the same time. this is extremely hard to do if you want consistent good taste of light roast coffee.
you don't have to take my word for it, got yourself a thermometer and test the water out of the Bambino (or anyother thermoblock machine), turn it on and just see the number jumps from 95 to 80 in no time. you would be lucky to have 15ml of water at desired temperature before it fluctuates
i personally have/had espresso machine priced from 200 dollar to 4000 dollars, i think the single most improvement one can do as far as espresso machine is concerned is to move to dual boiler with PID (so you do milk based drink much faster and better). but this been a HX at this price is probably as good as it goes. i won't mind getting it if i were to throw away my current setup
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FWIW I had never heard of this brand until just now
FWIW I had never heard of this brand until just now
FWIW I had never heard of this brand until just now
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These semi-automatic machines are not for everyone. Major part of the hobby, imho, is enjoying the process of turning beans into your cup of espresso or latte. It's a time consuming process, and takes me extra 10-15 mins every morning to get me my first morning caffeine dose. I could also just grab free pod coffee at my work, but that's a different experience from making my espresso shots at home. You can find something more convenient that is equally drinkable from one of the fastest way to do it in the market using Nepresso Vertuo machines (in exchange for expensive pods and wasting extra plastics), or as mentioned a Bambino.
You don't need a $1000 machine to make good espresso, but you do need to pay up for good steaming power. If this thing can steam milk well, and not break down, I think it's a good deal. Unfortunately it's hard to determine that without customer reviews. It's a gamble.
With the profiling additions and ability to swap and customize shot profiles and everything it's pretty powerful. My favorite feature might actually be the steam power via pulsing the pump and controlling temp. It makes for a really fully featured compact machine. Also a fun project to build if you're in to that sort of thing.
My Bambino+ is okay but I wish it did better with light roast
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