This is my first post so sorry if I missed anything. I just got my 2025 Leaf leased yesterday from Boulder Nissan and the price actually is $9/mo. 24 month, 10k miles per year lease. This is the cheapest monthly I've seen in CO.
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This is my first post so sorry if I missed anything. I just got my 2025 Leaf leased yesterday from Boulder Nissan and the price actually is $9/mo. 24 month, 10k miles per year lease. This is the cheapest monthly I've seen in CO.
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You have a lot to learn if you don't think your EV is worse or equally as bad for the environment.
Even in daily operating the amount of brake dust and tire particles distributed into the air is higher than an ICE. Heavier vehicle = harder to stop; harder on tires.
I'd check out recent studies on how awful brake dust is for us.
Tell me you don't know how an EV works without telling you don't know how an EV works.
Not an expert myself, as I haven't bought a full EV yet, but even I know 'braking' with an EV is almost entirely energy regeneration, they rarely use brake pads.
Not really a deal when you divide all you payed per month plus the lease return fee plus Colorado license plate is like 3 percent of the msrp per year at the end you paying around 194 a month for this car plus insurance might be higher and unless have a 220v in your house more expensive charging plus the actual range on this thing is like 90 miles realistically so.
again, 20 years from now you will still be able to get gas. I don't think 20 years is enough to updated our whole power grid to support everyone having an ev. Our power grid is dated, like shockingly dated. You might not be able to buy a new gas car, but you will still find gas.
Stop trying to make it seem like gas is finished, it is not.
Just to put into perspective, we still have homes in the US who don't have high speed broadband and its been many years. It took space constellations to get that number to go up.
You probably will still be able to get gas, if you have the time and patience. Might be similar to filling up my propane tanks now, not a huge deal, but I have to think about where I have to go to get it, and pay a premium since it's not produced on the same scale as say gasoline is today.
1. At $5/gallon in CA, $10k fuel cost is 2000 gallons per year.. at 20mpg, that's 40k miles per year .. at 30mpg, that's 60k miles per year
2. Installed solar at 50 kwh/day is not cheap.. that's 3x the average.. without batteries that could cost $100 to $200k.. with batteries (Tesla or other) could add $50 to $100k extra.. before incentives and rebates
Very curious what the total cost for solar and the EV was, the total annual savings on gas and electric.. the estimated time to break even .. what would require 60k miles travel per year.. and the warranty on the solar panels and EV battery. Thanks!
Gladly answer your questions.
1. This is for my wife and my car, so two cars.
2. We have some performance engines, my car was a 3.5 NA 280 HP , i got about 17 mpg, my wife car was a 3.8l NA 260 HP coupe that got around 18 mpg. So there are not 30mpg performance cars , at least not when you drive it to the rated HP. my current ev is about 460hp. and I drive it like a 460hp car.
My round trip to work is about 35 each way 70 round trip. At 4 dollars a gallon, that 17 dollar a day just for work for my car . Add weekends and other things, I pay about 7 k for my car, 3 k for my wife
3. My solar panel with new roof was 40k, minus 30percent credit comes out to be 30k. Say the new roof is half the cost. My panel cost 15k. Granted this is a few years ago and I also didn't need battery.
If you care about your kids, grandkids, etc. You will stop burning fossil fuels. You have been indoctrinated by the industry to include the Middle East. Poison gas can never be a good idea.
Gladly answer your questions.
1. This is for my wife and my car, so two cars.
2. We have some performance engines, my car was a 3.5 NA 280 HP , i got about 17 mpg, my wife car was a 3.8l NA 260 HP coupe that got around 18 mpg. So there are not 30mpg performance cars , at least not when you drive it to the rated HP. my current ev is about 460hp. and I drive it like a 460hp car.
My round trip to work is about 35 each way 70 round trip. At 4 dollars a gallon, that 17 dollar a day just for work for my car . Add weekends and other things, I pay about 7 k for my car, 3 k for my wife
3. My solar panel with new roof was 40k, minus 30percent credit comes out to be 30k. Say the new roof is half the cost. My panel cost 15k. Granted this is a few years ago and I also didn't need battery.
Feel free to ask any questions you have
Thanks! Wow,
that's incredibly cheap for 50kwh.
NA means normally aspirated? (as in Ford vehicles)
I guess my next question is, what is the expected time to break even, since purchasing 2 EVs?
What's the expected life span of the EV batteries?
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The effective monthly cost is $143/month. This is the real cost.
Dealers advertising $9/month doesn't mean much when the real costs are hidden in up front fees.
I'm not the OP but my math shows the total lease cost (excluding taxes to be paid for registration/plates, and insurance) is about $1250, which works out to be about $52 per month with no money down and nothing due at signing.
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There is already a thread open on Nissan Leaf, and I posted why $9 per month deal is not as slick as $52 a month. I'll paste the same here:
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$9 a month sounds catchy but $52 a month is a better deal (about 50% better!). I'll explain:
$9 a month deal requires you to pay $699 dealership fees, $699 acquisition fees, and taxes on rebates which comes to about $2400 due at signing. When you consider total lease value for the entire two years, it is $2400 + (24 x $10) = $2640. I'm using $10 instead of $9 since you have to pay taxes on $9.
Now, here's the math on $52 per month:
$0 down, $52 per month.
The $52 includes all fees and taxes (dealership fees, acquisition fees, rebate taxes) and 1st payment. Better than advertised $2400 due for $9/month lease
This is better because:
1. $0 due at signing. Not even dealership fees or acquisition fees. You roll them all into your monthly dues.
2. This is a biggie: Total lease cost of $2640 vs. $1248 for 24 months everything included. Clearly at least 50% cheaper.
3. All fees and taxes are prorated for 24 months instead of the entire amount.
p.s. I got this deal 3 days ago. At least one other SDer was able to replicate it. I just signed and drove away with the car. Paid $0 down/due at signing (everything n rolled into $52 monthly payment)
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Thanks! Wow,
that's incredibly cheap for 50kwh.
NA means normally aspirated? (as in Ford vehicles)
I guess my next question is, what is the expected time to break even, since purchasing 2 EVs?
What's the expected life span of the EV batteries?
That's seem to be the norm in California. MySunpower system I paid at 32k including the electrical panel upgraded to 200Amp with $9600 tax credit. Mine only produce about 1000kwh per month on average though.
My model Y long range cost me $52k out the door (very similar to my previous Lexus RX350) but for the past 3yrs I had $0 maintenance nor gas cost nor filling up time at Costco.
IDK about u but I like to change my charge every 5-10yrs for trouble free. Tesla battery and power train are 8yrs warranty so...
Thanks! Wow,
that's incredibly cheap for 50kwh.
NA means normally aspirated? (as in Ford vehicles)
I guess my next question is, what is the expected time to break even, since purchasing 2 EVs?
What's the expected life span of the EV batteries?
I see. You misread my reply. I had I produce about 50khw a day. I don't have 50kw panel. I have a 8 kw panel.
and yes NA is Naturally aspirated, which is probably not the when it comes to gas mileage
regarding the break even time.
I am not sure there is even a break even to start with ? I mean what's the break even time between a i4 corolla le and v8 Corvette? they aren't even the same thing. if you looking at a 450 HP car, is there one even cheaper than Tesla? what is there to break even for?
people seem to forget not everyone likes to drive the lowest possible power ISE car, and higher power SE car is significantly more expensive than lower ones
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Yes, gas powered is the only way to go!
Plenty of articles out "there" lately, discussing that almost half the current EV owners regret their purchase and are going back to gas powered engines asap.
Thumbs down don't change the truth!!..lol
The truth is EV sales are actually still growing year over year. Growth is slower than it has been, but still year over year increased demand.
Also saw another stat today that over the last few years, the number of people trading in Teslas for ICE vehicles has dropped from 70% to 50%. So don't take this as 50% Tesla owners are getting rid of their cars, it's not. That is just people getting rid of a Tesla, no stat in that how many owners keep them.
So it seems you are wrong.
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I see. You misread my reply. I had I produce about 50khw a day. I don't have 50kw panel. I have a 8 kw panel.
and yes NA is Naturally aspirated, which is probably not the when it comes to gas mileage
Ok sorry that does make more sense. Thanks for the info!
That's seem to be the norm in California. MySunpower system I paid at 32k including the electrical panel upgraded to 200Amp with $9600 tax credit. Mine only produce about 1000kwh per month on average though.
My model Y long range cost me $52k out the door (very similar to my previous Lexus RX350) but for the past 3yrs I had $0 maintenance nor gas cost nor filling up time at Costco.
IDK about u but I like to change my charge every 5-10yrs for trouble free. Tesla battery and power train are 8yrs warranty so...
Thanks for the update! That solar production seems to match the average electric use for the typical household. I like the idea of zero or near zero maintenance, but of course the battery replacement cost is massive. Do you find auto insurance for EVs is truly 2 to 3x higher? With the diff tech, there have to be diff expectations.. so applying the old rules of thumb is not going to always fit.
? You know people who have solar and living a place where they can produce good amount of solar energy, has been pretty much electricity independent for a very long time.
My yearly gas cost was close to $10,000 dollars, in Southern California and with Costco gas. And now I'm driving the same distance, was twice the horsepower, zero gas or electric bill.My panel produced, on average year round, 50 kilowatt hours per day.
I mean if you happen to have a oil field and refinery in your backyard, you'll be crazy to not drive a gas car, this is the same logic.
Every kWh you put in your car is a kWh you aren't selling back to the power company. It's still a cost.
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Searching around it does look like sales and profits are down 99%. A few articles cite the cause to be bad hybrid sales in North America. This does seem concerning.
i think EVs have a lot of problems but it makes it hard to give credit to the ICE diehards when they're not sending their best... i promise if nissan sales were down 99% it'd be big news, as that would mean they had sold 1/100th of the previous quarter's vehicles
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Even in daily operating the amount of brake dust and tire particles distributed into the air is higher than an ICE. Heavier vehicle = harder to stop; harder on tires.
I'd check out recent studies on how awful brake dust is for us.
Not an expert myself, as I haven't bought a full EV yet, but even I know 'braking' with an EV is almost entirely energy regeneration, they rarely use brake pads.
Might be ok if you only plan to charge at home and use it as an around town vehicle, but it's ridiculous Nissan is still trying to sell these.
Stop trying to make it seem like gas is finished, it is not.
Just to put into perspective, we still have homes in the US who don't have high speed broadband and its been many years. It took space constellations to get that number to go up.
You probably will still be able to get gas, if you have the time and patience. Might be similar to filling up my propane tanks now, not a huge deal, but I have to think about where I have to go to get it, and pay a premium since it's not produced on the same scale as say gasoline is today.
1. At $5/gallon in CA, $10k fuel cost is 2000 gallons per year.. at 20mpg, that's 40k miles per year .. at 30mpg, that's 60k miles per year
2. Installed solar at 50 kwh/day is not cheap.. that's 3x the average.. without batteries that could cost $100 to $200k.. with batteries (Tesla or other) could add $50 to $100k extra.. before incentives and rebates
Very curious what the total cost for solar and the EV was, the total annual savings on gas and electric.. the estimated time to break even .. what would require 60k miles travel per year.. and the warranty on the solar panels and EV battery. Thanks!
1. This is for my wife and my car, so two cars.
2. We have some performance engines, my car was a 3.5 NA 280 HP , i got about 17 mpg, my wife car was a 3.8l NA 260 HP coupe that got around 18 mpg. So there are not 30mpg performance cars , at least not when you drive it to the rated HP. my current ev is about 460hp. and I drive it like a 460hp car.
My round trip to work is about 35 each way 70 round trip. At 4 dollars a gallon, that 17 dollar a day just for work for my car . Add weekends and other things, I pay about 7 k for my car, 3 k for my wife
3. My solar panel with new roof was 40k, minus 30percent credit comes out to be 30k. Say the new roof is half the cost. My panel cost 15k. Granted this is a few years ago and I also didn't need battery.
Feel free to ask any questions you have
1. This is for my wife and my car, so two cars.
2. We have some performance engines, my car was a 3.5 NA 280 HP , i got about 17 mpg, my wife car was a 3.8l NA 260 HP coupe that got around 18 mpg. So there are not 30mpg performance cars , at least not when you drive it to the rated HP. my current ev is about 460hp. and I drive it like a 460hp car.
My round trip to work is about 35 each way 70 round trip. At 4 dollars a gallon, that 17 dollar a day just for work for my car . Add weekends and other things, I pay about 7 k for my car, 3 k for my wife
3. My solar panel with new roof was 40k, minus 30percent credit comes out to be 30k. Say the new roof is half the cost. My panel cost 15k. Granted this is a few years ago and I also didn't need battery.
Feel free to ask any questions you have
that's incredibly cheap for 50kwh.
NA means normally aspirated? (as in Ford vehicles)
I guess my next question is, what is the expected time to break even, since purchasing 2 EVs?
What's the expected life span of the EV batteries?
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The effective monthly cost is $143/month. This is the real cost.
Dealers advertising $9/month doesn't mean much when the real costs are hidden in up front fees.
Copy/Paste from earlier reply:
There is already a thread open on Nissan Leaf, and I posted why $9 per month deal is not as slick as $52 a month. I'll paste the same here:
ā-
$9 a month sounds catchy but $52 a month is a better deal (about 50% better!). I'll explain:
$9 a month deal requires you to pay $699 dealership fees, $699 acquisition fees, and taxes on rebates which comes to about $2400 due at signing. When you consider total lease value for the entire two years, it is $2400 + (24 x $10) = $2640. I'm using $10 instead of $9 since you have to pay taxes on $9.
Now, here's the math on $52 per month:
$0 down, $52 per month.
The $52 includes all fees and taxes (dealership fees, acquisition fees, rebate taxes) and 1st payment. Better than advertised $2400 due for $9/month lease
This is better because:
1. $0 due at signing. Not even dealership fees or acquisition fees. You roll them all into your monthly dues.
2. This is a biggie: Total lease cost of $2640 vs. $1248 for 24 months everything included. Clearly at least 50% cheaper.
3. All fees and taxes are prorated for 24 months instead of the entire amount.
p.s. I got this deal 3 days ago. At least one other SDer was able to replicate it. I just signed and drove away with the car. Paid $0 down/due at signing (everything n rolled into $52 monthly payment)
that's incredibly cheap for 50kwh.
NA means normally aspirated? (as in Ford vehicles)
I guess my next question is, what is the expected time to break even, since purchasing 2 EVs?
What's the expected life span of the EV batteries?
My model Y long range cost me $52k out the door (very similar to my previous Lexus RX350) but for the past 3yrs I had $0 maintenance nor gas cost nor filling up time at Costco.
IDK about u but I like to change my charge every 5-10yrs for trouble free. Tesla battery and power train are 8yrs warranty so...
that's incredibly cheap for 50kwh.
NA means normally aspirated? (as in Ford vehicles)
I guess my next question is, what is the expected time to break even, since purchasing 2 EVs?
What's the expected life span of the EV batteries?
and yes NA is Naturally aspirated, which is probably not the when it comes to gas mileage
regarding the break even time.
I am not sure there is even a break even to start with ? I mean what's the break even time between a i4 corolla le and v8 Corvette? they aren't even the same thing. if you looking at a 450 HP car, is there one even cheaper than Tesla? what is there to break even for?
people seem to forget not everyone likes to drive the lowest possible power ISE car, and higher power SE car is significantly more expensive than lower ones
Plenty of articles out "there" lately, discussing that almost half the current EV owners regret their purchase and are going back to gas powered engines asap.
Thumbs down don't change the truth!!..lol
Also saw another stat today that over the last few years, the number of people trading in Teslas for ICE vehicles has dropped from 70% to 50%. So don't take this as 50% Tesla owners are getting rid of their cars, it's not. That is just people getting rid of a Tesla, no stat in that how many owners keep them.
So it seems you are wrong.
and yes NA is Naturally aspirated, which is probably not the when it comes to gas mileage
My model Y long range cost me $52k out the door (very similar to my previous Lexus RX350) but for the past 3yrs I had $0 maintenance nor gas cost nor filling up time at Costco.
IDK about u but I like to change my charge every 5-10yrs for trouble free. Tesla battery and power train are 8yrs warranty so...
My yearly gas cost was close to $10,000 dollars, in Southern California and with Costco gas. And now I'm driving the same distance, was twice the horsepower, zero gas or electric bill.My panel produced, on average year round, 50 kilowatt hours per day.
I mean if you happen to have a oil field and refinery in your backyard, you'll be crazy to not drive a gas car, this is the same logic.
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