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forum threadSmilingKite474 posted Aug 22, 2024 06:12 PM
forum threadSmilingKite474 posted Aug 22, 2024 06:12 PM

SEIKO Kinetic Men's Green Dial Watch w/ Brown Leather Strap $149 + Free Shipping

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Jomeshop [jomashop.com] has SEIKO Kinetic Green Dial Brown Leather Men's Watch for $350 - $151 Discount - $50 w/ code SEI50 at checkout = $149. Shipping is free.

Features:
  • Date display at the 3 o'clock position
  • Scratch resistant Hardlex Crystal
  • Transparent case back
  • Case size: 42 m
  • Case thickness: 11 mm
  • Band width: 22 mm.
  • Fold over clasp
  • Water resistant at 100m/ 330ft
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Jomeshop [jomashop.com] has SEIKO Kinetic Green Dial Brown Leather Men's Watch for $350 - $151 Discount - $50 w/ code SEI50 at checkout = $149. Shipping is free.

Features:
  • Date display at the 3 o'clock position
  • Scratch resistant Hardlex Crystal
  • Transparent case back
  • Case size: 42 m
  • Case thickness: 11 mm
  • Band width: 22 mm.
  • Fold over clasp
  • Water resistant at 100m/ 330ft
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Aug 23, 2024 10:32 AM
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texaslongboarderAug 23, 2024 10:32 AM
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That's a good looking, inexpensive watch. Is Kinetic the same as automatic?
Aug 23, 2024 01:20 PM
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majorhavocAug 23, 2024 01:20 PM
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Quote from texaslongboarder :
That's a good looking, inexpensive watch. Is Kinetic the same as automatic?
It's actually a quartz movement. The Seiko Kinetic harnesses body motion similar to an automatic, so your question is understandable. But instead of using that mechanical energy to wind a mainspring, it instead charges a capacitor, which in turn powers a quartz movement. You get the superior accuracy of quartz but not the smooth seconds hand sweep and (for many enthusiasts) the full mechanical charm of an automatic.

It's an imperfect analogy, but if an automatic watch is the equivalent of an old school internal combustion engine car, and a quartz watch is equivalent to a modern EV, then the Seiko Kinetic could be thought of as the hybrid vehicle of wristwatches.

FWIW, agree that's a handsome watch.
Last edited by majorhavoc August 23, 2024 at 06:45 AM.
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Aug 23, 2024 02:41 PM
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multiuseemailAug 23, 2024 02:41 PM
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Quote from majorhavoc :
It's actually a quartz movement. The Seiko Kinetic harnesses body motion similar to an automatic, so your question is understandable. But instead of using that mechanical energy to wind a mainspring, it instead charges a capacitor, which in turn powers a quartz movement. You get the superior accuracy of quartz but not the smooth seconds hand sweep and (for many enthusiasts) the full mechanical charm of an automatic.It's an imperfect analogy, but if an automatic watch is the equivalent of an old school internal combustion engine car, and a quartz watch is equivalent to a modern EV, then the Seiko Kinetic could be thought of as the hybrid vehicle of wristwatches. FWIW, agree that's a handsome watch.
Apologies for the noob questions:
  1. Based on your comment, quartz has the "tick/tock" seconds movement? Is there a downside to those i.e. can one actually feel them ticking on the wrist?
  2. What are your thoughts on this "Hardlex" crystal? I believe sapphire is the one to get?
  3. How long does the capacitor stay charged? I vaguely remember websites usually say about how long automatics last without being used; this one did not say.
    1. I found the answer to this on a website saying 6month reserve: https://calibercorner.com/seiko-caliber-5m82/
Thanks!
Last edited by multiuseemail August 23, 2024 at 07:51 AM.
Aug 23, 2024 03:12 PM
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justinxipAug 23, 2024 03:12 PM
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Quote from multiuseemail :
Apologies for the noob questions:
  1. Based on your comment, quartz has the "tick/tock" seconds movement? Is there a downside to those i.e. can one actually feel them ticking on the wrist?
  2. What are your thoughts on this "Hardlex" crystal? I believe sapphire is the one to get?
  3. How long does the capacitor stay charged? I vaguely remember websites usually say about how long automatics last without being used; this one did not say.
    1. I found the answer to this on a website saying 6month reserve: https://calibercorner.com/seiko-caliber-5m82/
Thanks!
Not the op but I can answer:

1. No there's no practical downside and no you can't feel the tick/tock. Some watches are loud and you can hear it but I don't think that's an issue with Seiko generally. In fact, quartz movements are way more accurate than automatic movements. Automatics will be anywhere from 1-30 seconds off per day so you have to recalibrate it every few days. Quartz should generally stay accurate and might need a recalibration every month but only if you're really OCD about it. The only downside is that there is a qualitative "romanticism" of automatic watches because of the "craftmanship" aspect vs. the "technology" aspect of quartz movements (that doesn't fully capture what enthusiasts love about automatic over quartz). But in short: if you're fine with the tick/tock movement of the hands vs the smooth sweeping of the watch, then quartz is fine for you.

2. I have Seiko watches with hardlex and if you're not reckless with your watches, it should be fine. Most people don't have issues with hardlex with normal wear. Worst case scenario, if you ever scratch it, you can replace the glass and put a sapphire crystal on there.
Aug 23, 2024 03:36 PM
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mehulamin001Aug 23, 2024 03:36 PM
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Do not recommend buying this watch. I bought it last year and build quality is terrible. The logo and one of the hour marker came lose and now floating through dial.
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Aug 23, 2024 03:48 PM
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gh0stleaderAug 23, 2024 03:48 PM
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Quote from mehulamin001 :
Do not recommend buying this watch. I bought it last year and build quality is terrible. The logo and one of the hour marker came lose and now floating through dial.
Should come with a 2 year Joma warranty. Send it in to be repaired. They'll probably just replace the watch.
Aug 23, 2024 06:24 PM
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majorhavocAug 23, 2024 06:24 PM
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Quote from multiuseemail :
Apologies for the noob questions:
  1. Based on your comment, quartz has the "tick/tock" seconds movement? Is there a downside to those i.e. can one actually feel them ticking on the wrist?
  2. What are your thoughts on this "Hardlex" crystal? I believe sapphire is the one to get?
  3. How long does the capacitor stay charged? I vaguely remember websites usually say about how long automatics last without being used; this one did not say.
    1. I found the answer to this on a website saying 6month reserve: https://calibercorner.com/seiko-caliber-5m82/
Thanks!
Justinxip answered better than I could. Only things I can add: if by tick tock seconds movement you mean the one tick per second characteristic of most quartz movements, then the only downsides I see are lack of the aforementioned smoother sweep of a mechanical (typically 6 or 8 ticks per second), and the possibility that the seconds hand doesn't line up perfectly with the dial markings.

Timex 3 hand watches, especially the ones with plated brass cases, have a reputation for being loud. But I've never heard anyone leveling that criticism against Seiko watches. That being said, if I hold any of my non-digital quartz watches right up to my ear, I can hear the ticking.

Hardlex is Seiko's proprietary mineral glass. I don't know that it's any harder than regular mineral glass (even though Seiko claims it is). It will scratch more easily than sapphire, but as justinxip points out, it's not really an issue unless you abuse your watches. I definitely prefer sapphire when I can get it. But the 2 Hardlex Seikos I own (an SNK805 automatic field watch and an SNA411 Flightmaster chronograph) are holding up just fine - I certainly don't feel my ownership experience has been compromised because they aren't sapphire.

Finally re: the poster who had a bad experience with this particular model - I support him to the extent that I have heard Seiko has had some QC issues in recent years. I haven't personally experienced that and I have to believe it's just a small minority of instances. These kinds of negative experiences tend to get amplified on the internet because the vast majority of satisfied purchasers feel no particular motivation to go online and report that nothing is wrong with their purchase.

But any company is at least occasionally going to let a sub par product slip through. What I don't understand is why people who receive those occasional defective products take it upon themselves to complain about it online without disclosing whether they've availed themselves of readily available warranty service. Even without an express warranty, most reputable companies will want to make things right with a customer encountering an obvious defect like a detached logo. If for no reason other than to protect their own reputation.
Last edited by majorhavoc August 23, 2024 at 11:27 AM.

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Aug 23, 2024 06:54 PM
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TenderField973Aug 23, 2024 06:54 PM
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I believe the general consensus is that while Seiko's Kinetic movement technology is innovative and interesting, the reliability of it has been pretty bad, to the point where Seiko very rarely or if at all is still actively producing new watches with it.

As far as the whole debate about quartz goes, it's the equivalent debate from "pure" car enthusiasts about "manual transmission, or bust". Quartz is a great affordable technology, but isn't "authentic" enough for "enthusiasts", much like automatic transmission in a car.
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Aug 23, 2024 08:44 PM
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texaslongboarderAug 23, 2024 08:44 PM
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Quote from majorhavoc :
It's actually a quartz movement. The Seiko Kinetic harnesses body motion similar to an automatic, so your question is understandable. But instead of using that mechanical energy to wind a mainspring, it instead charges a capacitor, which in turn powers a quartz movement. You get the superior accuracy of quartz but not the smooth seconds hand sweep and (for many enthusiasts) the full mechanical charm of an automatic.

It's an imperfect analogy, but if an automatic watch is the equivalent of an old school internal combustion engine car, and a quartz watch is equivalent to a modern EV, then the Seiko Kinetic could be thought of as the hybrid vehicle of wristwatches.

FWIW, agree that's a handsome watch.
Wow! Thanks for the thorough explanation.
Aug 24, 2024 12:12 AM
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SiennaRaccoon8463Aug 24, 2024 12:12 AM
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I don't know if this is true, but a local SEIKO watch dealer told me that SEIKO has stopped making Kinetic movements and have basically switched to Solar movements as a replacement. The capacitor in Kinetic movements can last 10+ years, especially the newer Lithium based ones. However, SEIKO may not provide replacement capacitors for the Kinetic movement watches for too long. I suppose 3rd party suppliers can still provide the capacitors and other parts for the kinetic movements even if Seiko stops providing them.
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euuser33279451Aug 25, 2024 08:54 AM
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Quote from majorhavoc :
Justinxip answered better than I could. Only things I can add: if by tick tock seconds movement you mean the one tick per second characteristic of most quartz movements, then the only downsides I see are lack of the aforementioned smoother sweep of a mechanical (typically 6 or 8 ticks per second), and the possibility that the seconds hand doesn't line up perfectly with the dial markings. Timex 3 hand watches, especially the ones with plated brass cases, have a reputation for being loud. But I've never heard anyone leveling that criticism against Seiko watches. That being said, if I hold any of my non-digital quartz watches right up to my ear, I can hear the ticking. Hardlex is Seiko's proprietary mineral glass. I don't know that it's any harder than regular mineral glass (even though Seiko claims it is). It will scratch more easily than sapphire, but as justinxip points out, it's not really an issue unless you abuse your watches. I definitely prefer sapphire when I can get it. But the 2 Hardlex Seikos I own (an SNK805 automatic field watch and an SNA411 Flightmaster chronograph) are holding up just fine - I certainly don't feel my ownership experience has been compromised because they aren't sapphire.Finally re: the poster who had a bad experience with this particular model - I support him to the extent that I have heard Seiko has had some QC issues in recent years. I haven't personally experienced that and I have to believe it's just a small minority of instances. These kinds of negative experiences tend to get amplified on the internet because the vast majority of satisfied purchasers feel no particular motivation to go online and report that nothing is wrong with their purchase.But any company is at least occasionally going to let a sub par product slip through. What I don't understand is why people who receive those occasional defective products take it upon themselves to complain about it online without disclosing whether they've availed themselves of readily available warranty service. Even without an express warranty, most reputable companies will want to make things right with a customer encountering an obvious defect like a detached logo. If for no reason other than to protect their own reputation.
+100000 to this point. try to resolve the issue before extrapolating a one issue as a representation to the whole company. I had an earbud company send me a brand new replacement after 12 months of use due to a malfunction. It was great, all I needed was proof that I bought it via CC statement or receipt and it came 2 weeks later.
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soltanSep 08, 2024 05:43 PM
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Quote from majorhavoc :
It's actually a quartz movement. The Seiko Kinetic harnesses body motion similar to an automatic, so your question is understandable. But instead of using that mechanical energy to wind a mainspring, it instead charges a capacitor, which in turn powers a quartz movement. You get the superior accuracy of quartz but not the smooth seconds hand sweep and (for many enthusiasts) the full mechanical charm of an automatic.

It's an imperfect analogy, but if an automatic watch is the equivalent of an old school internal combustion engine car, and a quartz watch is equivalent to a modern EV, then the Seiko Kinetic could be thought of as the hybrid vehicle of wristwatches.

FWIW, agree that's a handsome watch.
I logged in just to upvote this comment and the subsequent explanation. Very insightful!

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