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Woot! Appsclusive Kerye Premium Japanese Whetstone Knife Sharpening Block 3000 Grit with Angled Wood Base and Accessories $10.99

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Sep 10, 2024 10:29 PM
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sfkeepaySep 10, 2024 10:29 PM
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Nice catch. This is a decent set a very good price. Great for sharpening my katana after lopping off the heads of my neighbors' garden gnomes. So much free time since retiring…
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kevmo911Sep 10, 2024 11:08 PM
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I have a different kit that has seen limited use, so I'm familiar with sharpening but only barely so. That said, a single stone at 3k grit seems like it would be useful to regularly sharpen an already sharp blade, but would take forever and a day to sharpen anything that had been allowed to become dull. I'd absolutely buy another lower-grit stone or two if I wanted to do any sharpening.
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spaaarky21Sep 11, 2024 6:22 AM
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Whetstone wear and need to be flattened regularly with a separate stone. And you usually work your way through a couple grits, starting with a coarse grit, then progressively finer ones. Many of the stones in these cheap kits have a different grit on each side so you get at least two or possible more if there are multiple stones.

This kit doesn't include a flattening stone and the whetstone has a single grit that's fairly fine (3000.) Unless you just want this to continuously touch up an already sharp knife, I would really recommend against this kit. Well-rated kits with multiple grits and a flattening stone sell for $20-$30 all the time. Obviously $20 is more than $10 but this kit is a waste by itself.

For example, this one [amazon.com] includes four grits (400, 1000, 3000, 8000), a flattening stone and a strop for $27. This one [amazon.com] doesn't have any reviews but it's just $20 and also includes polishing compound for the strop and some cut resistant gloves.
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Sep 11, 2024 4:10 PM
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Quote from spaaarky21 View quoted comment :
Whetstone wear and need to be flattened regularly with a separate stone. And you usually work your way through a couple grits, starting with a coarse grit, then progressively finer ones. Many of the stones in these cheap kits have a different grit on each side so you get at least two or possible more if there are multiple stones.

This kit doesn't include a flattening stone and the whetstone has a single grit that's fairly fine (3000.) Unless you just want this to continuously touch up an already sharp knife, I would really recommend against this kit. Well-rated kits with multiple grits and a flattening stone sell for $20-$30 all the time. Obviously $20 is more than $10 but this kit is a waste by itself.

For example, this one [amazon.com] includes four grits (400, 1000, 3000, 8000), a flattening stone and a strop for $27. This one [amazon.com] doesn't have any reviews but it's just $20 and also includes polishing compound for the strop and some cut resistant gloves.
Solid comment with actual recommendations with links to suggestions. Love it! Thank you!
Sep 12, 2024 3:03 AM
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FairWriter8849Sep 12, 2024 3:03 AM
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Quote from spaaarky21 View quoted comment :
Whetstone wear and need to be flattened regularly with a separate stone. And you usually work your way through a couple grits, starting with a coarse grit, then progressively finer ones. Many of the stones in these cheap kits have a different grit on each side so you get at least two or possible more if there are multiple stones.

This kit doesn't include a flattening stone and the whetstone has a single grit that's fairly fine (3000.) Unless you just want this to continuously touch up an already sharp knife, I would really recommend against this kit. Well-rated kits with multiple grits and a flattening stone sell for $20-$30 all the time. Obviously $20 is more than $10 but this kit is a waste by itself.

For example, this one [amazon.com] includes four grits (400, 1000, 3000, 8000), a flattening stone and a strop for $27. This one [amazon.com] doesn't have any reviews but it's just $20 and also includes polishing compound for the strop and some cut resistant gloves.
You summed up my thoughts exactly.

For anybody else looking, I bought the $27 example and am very pleased with it. It is a "full" kit with everything you need. I took a seriously dull and damaged Japanese knife to very sharp with it.
Sep 12, 2024 4:34 AM
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ExtraDanSep 12, 2024 4:34 AM
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Anyone looking for actual good sharpening stones, Shapton stones make a good value between price and quality
and for flattening stones, Atoma 140 is pretty solid, a lil pricey ($55 average) but thats just a buy once cry once scenario (unless used also for sharpening)
Sep 12, 2024 9:33 AM
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spaaarky21Sep 12, 2024 9:33 AM
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Quote from ExtraDan View quoted comment :
Anyone looking for actual good sharpening stones, Shapton stones make a good value between price and quality
and for flattening stones, Atoma 140 is pretty solid, a lil pricey ($55 average) but thats just a buy once cry once scenario (unless used also for sharpening)
Shapton's stones are good. I would also highly recommend a set of quality diamond stones. Instead of a stone that wears away to reveal fresh abrasive, the abrasive is diamond bonded to a steel plate. They don't really wear to speak of, so they never need to be flattened or replaced. I'm a woodworker and sharpen constantly. Diamond stones and a strop are the ultimate, especially if you pick a stropping compound with an appropriate grit. Green buffing compound is the default but might be too fine depending on the last grit you use before stropping.

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Sep 12, 2024 1:06 PM
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TaKo97Sep 12, 2024 1:06 PM
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Quote from spaaarky21 View quoted comment :
Shapton's stones are good. I would also highly recommend a set of quality diamond stones. Instead of a stone that wears away to reveal fresh abrasive, the abrasive is diamond bonded to a steel plate. They don't really wear to speak of, so they never need to be flattened or replaced. I'm a woodworker and sharpen constantly. Diamond stones and a strop are the ultimate, especially if you pick a stropping compound with an appropriate grit. Green buffing compound is the default but might be too fine depending on the last grit you use before stropping.
Diamond does wear out too, although the bigger issue is that the diamonds get pulled out of the steel plating over time.
Sep 12, 2024 1:13 PM
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TaKo97Sep 12, 2024 1:13 PM
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Quote from spaaarky21 View quoted comment :
Whetstone wear and need to be flattened regularly with a separate stone. And you usually work your way through a couple grits, starting with a coarse grit, then progressively finer ones. Many of the stones in these cheap kits have a different grit on each side so you get at least two or possible more if there are multiple stones.

This kit doesn't include a flattening stone and the whetstone has a single grit that's fairly fine (3000.) Unless you just want this to continuously touch up an already sharp knife, I would really recommend against this kit. Well-rated kits with multiple grits and a flattening stone sell for $20-$30 all the time. Obviously $20 is more than $10 but this kit is a waste by itself.

For example, this one [amazon.com] includes four grits (400, 1000, 3000, 8000), a flattening stone and a strop for $27. This one [amazon.com] doesn't have any reviews but it's just $20 and also includes polishing compound for the strop and some cut resistant gloves.
Those kinds of inexpensive kits are not good. They work, kinda, once, but quickly become a chore to use as they dish extremely quickly, the abrasive is not very strong requiring a ton of time, and the feedback is extremely vague making it hard to learn good technique on. If it works for you then it's ok but the most likely outcome of a beginner buying this is burnout and never trying again.

While a grit progression is ultimately a goal if you want super sharp knives, it is not required if all you want is decent sharpness. A diamond plate alone is enough to get a good sharpness. Then afterwards if people want more they can buy a 1000 grit stone of good quality, and the diamond plate from before becomes the flattening stone. Stropping is good but stropping can be done on newspaper or a belt, no need to buy anything.
Sep 12, 2024 1:40 PM
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TaKo97Sep 12, 2024 1:40 PM
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Solid comment with actual recommendations with links to suggestions. Love it! Thank you!
FWIW I disagree with their recommendations for reasons I posted in a different reply. My specific recommendation to counter will be some of the following. No links because multiple sellers/stores exist and people can choose whatever they want.

1) S SATC brand diamond plate. About $20. This is a very useful 400 grit stone that doesn't dish so no need to flatten. It's very coarse but coarse is better for beginners since you need to do fewer motions to get a result, meaning less room for error. Speaking of flattening, if you buy more whetstones down the line, this will become your flattening plate.

2) Atoma 400. About $50. This is the same as above except by a much more reputable maker and with diamonds dispersed in dots that make it a bit nicer to use. Functionally identical just much much nicer if you want.

3) Naniwa Arata 800. About $40. If you prefer using water stones instead of diamonds this is a good easy option that dishes slowly and doesn't require soaking. If you already own a diamond plate then upgrade to the Arata 1000 so you have two stones of meaningfully different grits. This is just one stone instead of the like 4 included in cheap kits, but is much easier to learn from with great feedback. Alternates include the "Naniwa Chosera" brand of the same grits, "Shapton Kuromaku" brand of 1000 or 2000 grit.

4) Newspaper. About $0. People love talking about finishing on strops. Strops are good. But Strops don't need to be leather or anything fancy. Professional knife makers frequently strop using regular newspaper, canvas cloth, or old jeans. Do not spend money on a strop unless you already have a stone set you are satisfied with.
Sep 12, 2024 4:16 PM
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BenjaminY9066Sep 12, 2024 4:16 PM
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If you have never bought a sharpening stone before, you are not the sort of person who regularly sharpens your knives. A 3000 grit stone is *way* too fine to sharpen a knife. It's more of a polishing stone. You *could* sharpen your knife with a 3000 grit stone, but it would take forever.

Also, the fixed 30 degree angle is an atrocious, horrible idea. The bevel on your knife might match this base, but it might not. And if it doesn't match this angle, you will have to create a new bevel. And that would take a whole day on a 3000 grit stone. It would be like mowing your lawn with a scissors. What you do when you sharpen on an normal whetstone is find the factory angle of your knife and sharpen at that angle. That's impossible with this base.

All in all a terrible product unless you really know what you're doing and need a cheap polishing stone.
Sep 12, 2024 7:06 PM
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spaaarky21Sep 12, 2024 7:06 PM
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Diamond does wear out too, although the bigger issue is that the diamonds get pulled out of the steel plating over time.
That's a problem with cheap ones, where most of the abrasive wears off after a year. 😂 This is common with stones from Ali Express, for example. The grit of diamond stones do change from when they are new. They arrive a bit course and manufacturers will actually tell you to break them in by sharpening something you don't care much about. But quality diamond stones are essentially a once in a lifetime purchase, even by lifelong professional woodworkers that re-sharpen many, many times a day.
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Sep 12, 2024 7:19 PM
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spaaarky21Sep 12, 2024 7:19 PM
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Quote from TaKo97 View quoted comment :
FWIW I disagree with their recommendations for reasons I posted in a different reply. My specific recommendation to counter will be some of the following. No links because multiple sellers/stores exist and people can choose whatever they want.
For what it's worth, those were just my recommendations for someone considering cheap whetstone kits. Even with cheap stones, four grits will get you going if you have a flattening stone. And throwing in a strop? Hey, why not. 😂 My real suggestion would be a set of at least 3 diamond stones but that's a whole different thing. I'm just trying to keep people from buying a $10 whetstone kit with "accessories" but only one grit and no flattening stone.

As for stropping, those are all great if you only want to break the burr off. You could even do that by running your finger across the edge ("over" the edge, away from it, not into it, of course) back and forth a few times. But that or stropping with a newspaper or old jeans or whatever isn't the same as stropping with a compound. With an appropriate compound, you not only break the burr but also take the edge one step further. For example, the typical green polishing compound is the equivalent of about 30,000 grit, red is courser, white is finer, etc.
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Sep 12, 2024 8:21 PM
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TaKo97Sep 12, 2024 8:21 PM
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That's a problem with cheap ones, where most of the abrasive wears off after a year. 😂 This is common with stones from Ali Express, for example. The grit of diamond stones do change from when they are new. They arrive a bit course and manufacturers will actually tell you to break them in by sharpening something you don't care much about. But quality diamond stones are essentially a once in a lifetime purchase, even for professional woodworkers that re-sharpen many many times a day.
Diamonds are very brittle things despite being the hardest known substance on earth, so they can chip fairly easily. This is the mechanism that leads to the 'breaking in' process and also to them wearing out, though as you say it's a very long lifetime to truly wearing through diamond plates. Anyways this is why Atomas have replaceable plates.

Pulling out diamonds is a more complicated story. It's definitely true that higher quality plates are much better and also coarser grit plates too since there's more metal plating holding the diamonds in place. I'm not sure what it's like with woodworking tools but pulling out diamonds is a real problem when sharpening kitchen knives even for higher end stones so some people try to avoid it. Though I think that can be avoided with technique to avoid pressure and to use mostly trailing strokes.

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Sep 12, 2024 8:24 PM
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TaKo97Sep 12, 2024 8:24 PM
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Quote from spaaarky21 View quoted comment :
For what it's worth, those were just my recommendations for someone considering cheap whetstone kits. Even with cheap stones, four grits will get you going if you have a flattening stone. And throwing in a strop? Hey, why not. 😂 My real suggestion would be a set of at least 3 diamond stones but that's a whole different thing. I'm just trying to keep people from buying a $10 whetstone kit with "accessories" but only one grit and no flattening stone.

As for stropping, those are all great if you only want to break the burr off. You could even do that by running your finger across the edge ("over" the edge, away from it, not into it, of course) back and forth a few times. But that or stropping with a newspaper or old jeans or whatever isn't the same as stropping with a compound. With an appropriate compound, you not only break the burr but also take the edge one step further. For example, the typical green polishing compound is the equivalent of about 30,000 grit, red is courser, white is finer, etc.
Glad to hear! Yeah sharpening is a diverse ecosystem with a lot of opinions about what tools to use but the good part is all of them work with enough practice. I have my opinions on stropping and where it's useful too but I think we both understand the broad ecosystem enough that there's no need to spell it out here. I think our short back and forth here provided a lot of extra info for people who come across this listing.

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