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expiredbuduz0r posted Oct 11, 2024 08:45 PM
expiredbuduz0r posted Oct 11, 2024 08:45 PM

Refurbished: 12TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC520 3.5" 7200RPM Enterprise Hard Drive

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goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail via eBay has 12TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC520 SATA 6GB 3.5" 7200RPM Enterprise HDD Hard Drive (HUH721212ALE601, Refurbished: Excellent) on sale for $72.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks Community Member buduz0r for finding this deal.

Seller Note About Refurbished Condition:
  • "These HDD is used by Datacenter Servers for about 5 years period. HDD was refurbished and data wiped with DoD Standard. It's fully tested & passed HGST factory diagnose software test with ZERO Bad sectors! Since this is a heavy duty enterprise HDD with 2.5M-hour MTBF rating."
Notable Specs:
  • 3.5" Form Factor
  • SATA 6Gb/s Interface
  • 256MB Cache
  • 7.2K RPM Spindle Speed

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  • About this Deal:
    • Includes 5-Year Warranty from Seller + 1-Year Allstate Warranty.
    • Please see the original post for additional details and give the WIKI and forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
  • About this Store:
    • 30 days returns. Seller pays for return shipping.
    • Seller goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail has a 99.8% positive feedback rating with over 524K items sold.

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goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail via eBay has 12TB HGST Ultrastar DC HC520 SATA 6GB 3.5" 7200RPM Enterprise HDD Hard Drive (HUH721212ALE601, Refurbished: Excellent) on sale for $72.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks Community Member buduz0r for finding this deal.

Seller Note About Refurbished Condition:
  • "These HDD is used by Datacenter Servers for about 5 years period. HDD was refurbished and data wiped with DoD Standard. It's fully tested & passed HGST factory diagnose software test with ZERO Bad sectors! Since this is a heavy duty enterprise HDD with 2.5M-hour MTBF rating."
Notable Specs:
  • 3.5" Form Factor
  • SATA 6Gb/s Interface
  • 256MB Cache
  • 7.2K RPM Spindle Speed

Editor's Notes

Written by citan359 | Staff
  • About this Deal:
    • Includes 5-Year Warranty from Seller + 1-Year Allstate Warranty.
    • Please see the original post for additional details and give the WIKI and forum comments a read for helpful discussion.
  • About this Store:
    • 30 days returns. Seller pays for return shipping.
    • Seller goHardDrive Wholesale and Retail has a 99.8% positive feedback rating with over 524K items sold.

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OrangeSnake211
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I bought 2 and both were DOA. Kinda made me skeptical of their testing/refurbishing. I bought two from another seller on different occasions and both are fine. But I read about more positive experiences from them than mine. Return was pretty seamless as well.
buduz0r
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these are SATA drives, you can use them on your desktop computer, they also provide a power adapter in case you need it.

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Oct 16, 2024 04:20 AM
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RubySapiorOct 16, 2024 04:20 AM
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Quote from lastwraith :
Edited my post, but out of curiosity.... Did the drive pass an overnight testing session of any kind or did you just throw it in?
Not judging either method, just wondering.
I didn't stress it but it was passing smart tests. Then I loaded up everything on it before a windows factory reset. After factory reset slowly put stuff back on my ssd but I guess I procrastinated on personal files....
Oct 16, 2024 04:34 AM
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 04:34 AM
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Quote from RubySapior :
I didn't stress it but it was passing smart tests. Then I loaded up everything on it before a windows factory reset. After factory reset slowly put stuff back on my ssd but I guess I procrastinated on personal files....
Yeah, these are essentially a lottery.
I run WD Data Lifeguard or Victoria verification tests on the whole drive before putting these into anything because they just box them and ship them out.

Goharddrive is fine, this is just the nature of the beast with almost any "refurb" stuff you buy.
If it passes initial stress tests, you're probably good though.
Oct 16, 2024 04:54 AM
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RubySapiorOct 16, 2024 04:54 AM
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Quote from lastwraith :
Yeah, these are essentially a lottery.
I run WD Data Lifeguard or Victoria verification tests on the whole drive before putting these into anything because they just box them and ship them out.

Goharddrive is fine, this is just the nature of the beast with almost any "refurb" stuff you buy.
If it passes initial stress tests, you're probably good though.
For the future. Is it better to fully setup the nas then stress test it. Or stress the hardrives 1 by 1 on another system then setup the nas. (i only have 1 sata to usb)
Oct 16, 2024 05:30 AM
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MWinkOct 16, 2024 05:30 AM
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Quote from RubySapior :
Yea this was temporary and i had 3 more drives being shipped. I needed a single hardrive as I was doing a migration. And it took all my data with it.....
im going to try the freezer.
The freezer trick is unlikely to work. I've worked on a lot of dead/dying hard drives and I can't ever recall it being successful. Also, that method is meant to help with stiction, something modern drives shouldn't suffer from (because the heads are now parked on ramps, away from the platters).

You said your drive is experiencing the click of death. Is this when it's powering up (failing to calibrate and reach a ready state) or after it's been running (resulting in read errors)? How do you have it connected (internally, via USB, etc.)?

Quote from lastwraith :
It's clearly not worth it to make 5400rpm drives (I guess), so mfrs don't, but it'd be nice to have the choice.
Slower speeds generally mean less noise, power, and performance, but for write-once/read-many applications where the drive is already plenty fast enough, especially as data density increases and leads to faster throughput.... that's totally fine.
I think a lot of people who just serve media would choose the lower RPM drives if they were able to make a choice.

But that's not a thing so whatever. I just want to put a stop to all the people posting about modern large 5400rpm drives, because someone will believe they exist and that just complicates the current landscape needlessly. You have no choices regarding that specification anymore.
While I don't disagree with your premise, I'm not convinced there would be a meaningful difference for most people. A slower spindle speed only means less motor noise, which is rarely an issue these days. Modern FDB motors are very quiet, even at 7200RPM. Most people complaining about noise are referring to the sound produced by the heads seeking. That is a separate issue from spindle speed. A 7200RPM drive with slower seeks can be quite quiet. I really hate that AAM (a feature that allowed the user to adjust seek speed/noise) is no longer supported.

Power usage and heat output are valid concerns, but as I mentioned before, I'm not convinced a 5400RPM drive would make as big a difference as many think.

I do wonder how much the performance difference would be. While you're somewhat right about increased data density leading to higher throughput, increases in throughput haven't even remotely kept up proportionally with increases in drive capacity. A modern 20TB Ultrastar/Exos only has about 3x the sequential throughput of my very old 1TB WD Black. A single read/write pass on these modern drives can take roughly 12-24 hours. That said, you're right, most home users are using them for very light applications.

I take slight issue with your write-once/read-many comment. Whether you're reading or writing doesn't matter much. Unlike most SSDs, hard drives (at least CMR ones) are usually at least as good at writing as reading. Actually, random writes can often often outperform random reads, due to caching.

So yeah, it would be nice if large 5400RPM drives were an option, but I don't think it would benefit the average person as much as they think. I do agree that we need to dispel people of the idea that there are large 5400RPM drives. WD certainly hasn't helped the issue by calling some 7200RPM drives "5400RPM class."
Oct 16, 2024 05:31 AM
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MWinkOct 16, 2024 05:31 AM
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Quote from RubySapior :
For the future. Is it better to fully setup the nas then stress test it. Or stress the hardrives 1 by 1 on another system then setup the nas. (i only have 1 sata to usb)
Always test the drive first. Only put it into service if it passes.
Oct 16, 2024 05:43 AM
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RubySapiorOct 16, 2024 05:43 AM
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Thanks for the reply. Even though hardrive isn't boot drive, it manages to prevent booting. Stuck on "press del to bios" screen. Pc only boots after disconnecting that sata power cable. Yes im using the "power disable cable" as drive doesn't even spin without it.
Oct 16, 2024 05:46 AM
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 05:46 AM
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Quote from MWink :
The freezer trick is unlikely to work. I've worked on a lot of dead/dying hard drives and I can't ever recall it being successful. Also, that method is meant to help with stiction, something modern drives shouldn't suffer from (because the heads are now parked on ramps, away from the platters).

You said your drive is experiencing the click of death. Is this when it's powering up (failing to calibrate and reach a ready state) or after it's been running (resulting in read errors)? How do you have it connected (internally, via USB, etc.)?



While I don't disagree with your premise, I'm not convinced there would be a meaningful difference for most people. A slower spindle speed only means less motor noise, which is rarely an issue these days. Modern FDB motors are very quiet, even at 7200RPM. Most people complaining about noise are referring to the sound produced by the heads seeking. That is a separate issue from spindle speed. A 7200RPM drive with slower seeks can be quite quiet. I really hate that AAM (a feature that allowed the user to adjust seek speed/noise) is no longer supported.

Power usage and heat output are valid concerns, but as I mentioned before, I'm not convinced a 5400RPM drive would make as big a difference as many think.

I do wonder how much the performance difference would be. While you're somewhat right about increased data density leading to higher throughput, increases in throughput haven't even remotely kept up proportionally with increases in drive capacity. A modern 20TB Ultrastar/Exos only has about 3x the sequential throughput of my very old 1TB WD Black. A single read/write pass on these modern drives can take roughly 12-24 hours. That said, you're right, most home users are using them for very light applications.

I take slight issue with your write-once/read-many comment. Whether you're reading or writing doesn't matter much. Unlike most SSDs, hard drives (at least CMR ones) are usually at least as good at writing as reading. Actually, random writes can often often outperform random reads, due to caching.

So yeah, it would be nice if large 5400RPM drives were an option, but I don't think it would benefit the average person as much as they think. I do agree that we need to dispel people of the idea that there are large 5400RPM drives. WD certainly hasn't helped the issue by calling some 7200RPM drives "5400RPM class."
"Power usage and heat output are valid concerns, but as I mentioned before, I'm not convinced a 5400RPM drive would make as big a difference as many think."

Maybe not, it'd just be nice to have the choice. Especially for those who are shoving a bunch of these into places where they are just barely getting adequate airflow as it is.

I can't say I even have a huge issue with the noise from the WD enterprise drives, but I'm also making sure to use drive sleds with sound isolation, so YMMV I guess.

As for drive speeds..... they're pretty fast (for things that you would be using HDDs in the first place for) and if you have them in drive arrays you can very quickly run up against network bottlenecks, so I wouldn't say I have any actual complaints about transfer speeds on modern HDDs. Plus you can always do an SSD cache or workaround those limitations in other ways when planning your storage solution.
HDDs are mostly filling the cheap spacious storage niche right now, and I'm not sure many of us need 7200rpm drives to do that.

100% agree on the "5400rpm class" nonsense, I was thinking that particular marketing wasn't helping current consumers at all.

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Oct 16, 2024 05:47 AM
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lasdjOct 16, 2024 05:47 AM
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Quote from MWink :
Always test the drive first. Only put it into service if it passes.
I'm new to this and bought 4 for my nas. How do I do the stress test since their coming in tomorrow? I was going to just install it on the synology and have it do the test when I do the setup. Not in a rush to load the data.
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 05:52 AM
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Quote from lasdj :
I'm new to this and bought 4 for my nas. How do I do the stress test since their coming in tomorrow? I was going to just install it on the synology and have it do the test when I do the setup. Not in a rush to load the data.
To do it through DSM, I think your only option is an extended SMART test.

If you're checking them elsewhere - badblocks in Linux or something like WD Data Lifeguard or Victoria on Windows.
Oct 16, 2024 05:56 AM
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lastwraithOct 16, 2024 05:56 AM
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Quote from RubySapior :
For the future. Is it better to fully setup the nas then stress test it. Or stress the hardrives 1 by 1 on another system then setup the nas. (i only have 1 sata to usb)
I don't like duplicating efforts so I test thoroughly first.
But it could depend on your setup.

If, for example, this is 1 new drive being added to an array with non-critical data that already does drive integrity checks and has parity or some other failure-resistance.... Then some people will do a quick SMART and then just roll the dice.

I don't buy a ton of drives and would rather do an overnight thorough test right when I get it.
Then I can replace via warranty while all the info is fresh in my mind plus when I add it to my arrays I have some piece of mind that I did my due diligence.
Oct 16, 2024 09:02 AM
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MWinkOct 16, 2024 09:02 AM
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Quote from RubySapior :
Thanks for the reply. Even though hardrive isn't boot drive, it manages to prevent booting. Stuck on "press del to bios" screen. Pc only boots after disconnecting that sata power cable. Yes im using the "power disable cable" as drive doesn't even spin without it.
My simplest suggestion is to try power cycling it numerous times, hoping that you can get it to successfully calibrate once. Also, try placing the drive in various orientations, including weird angles. I know it sounds strange but I've seen it work a few times. Be prepared to quickly copy all the important data off it. In the event that it does work, you may only get one shot (and possibly only briefly).

Quote from lastwraith :
I don't like duplicating efforts so I test thoroughly first.
But it could depend on your setup.

If, for example, this is 1 new drive being added to an array with non-critical data that already does drive integrity checks and has parity or some other failure-resistance.... Then some people will do a quick SMART and then just roll the dice.
There's two warnings I'd give to people considering this. The Quick SMART test isn't very thorough and will often only fail if there's something seriously wrong with the drive, or the drive already suspects something's wrong (from having Pending Sectors and such). Also, if you put any sensitive data on the drive (without encrypting it), should the drive fail, you may have to decide whether to risk doing an RMA on a drive with some of your data on it.
Oct 16, 2024 10:58 AM
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FantOct 16, 2024 10:58 AM
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In that case do you all encrypt your drives so that anytime you need to RMA it you don't have to worry about data theft?
Oct 16, 2024 12:13 PM
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MtnXfreerideOct 16, 2024 12:13 PM
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One of my drives from this deal came with a bad sata conversion cable. I thought the drive was dead for a while.
Made a quick (30 seconds) video for people looking to remove the 3rd pin and not need to use the special adapter:
https://youtu.be/seHrK9kKQIo

I used to use kapton tape but a year down the road would remove a drive and forget it had the tape on which would then be peeled off by removing the sata power cable.

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Oct 16, 2024 12:37 PM
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PurpleNarwhal693Oct 16, 2024 12:37 PM
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Quote from lastwraith :
To do it through DSM, I think your only option is an extended SMART test.

If you're checking them elsewhere - badblocks in Linux or something like WD Data Lifeguard or Victoria on Windows.
Looks like Wd data lifeguard is end of life. On linux can we just run "badblocks -sw" or is there another smart test to run?

Edit: maybe smartctl long test on top?
Last edited by PurpleNarwhal693 October 16, 2024 at 06:41 AM.

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Oct 16, 2024 08:12 PM
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FantOct 16, 2024 08:12 PM
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Just got my drives .. running them thru Victoria Surface Scan .. so far they look fine

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