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Oct 31, 2024
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Caffeineman
Oct 31, 2024
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Quote from ghostfreckle :
Review: ... This dude trojans...

The first box I was shipped hand unexpected gifts.
I spent a good three months fighting the trojans on this rig. State Actor formulated versions of bladabind and red line malware. You can go to Joe's sandbox and read a full executive report on the trojans. They manipulated ntframework, attempted exfiltration, and opened listeners through xml on 912 as well as rdp ports. As someone who examines malware for a living I could not place how it arrived on my rig in an isolated vlan behind a firewall. It turns out it was installed before the computer arrived.

This malware maintains persistence on the recovery partition. Unfortunately it takes full advantage of ssd technology and establishes itself in the recovery partition. A hidden area on devices provides over-provisioning, optimizing performance for flash-based storage systems that use NAND.

The claims Acemagic made was that the over provisioning made the hard drive faster. The reality is by exploiting overprovisioning, the state actor malware became invisible to the user, applications, and anti-virus on the device. The malware can rest in no man's land for months before arriving on your system.

Even if the malware isn't caught on devices they claim are clean, by staging malware in no man's land, it's just a time bomb waiting to explode. How many people actually sit around monitoring their rig with sys internals all day? By the time it hits, it will establish itself and start the process all over again.

I initially reviewed my first machine. After getting runaround by support, Ace Magic agreed to send me another rig as long as I deleted my first review. I accepted the bribe, much to my dismay. I was sent a device with a third of the capabilities as the first box I was sent, and it had the same infections.

Both machines are now on an isolated vlan with activity being ingested into a siem, so I can supply a full executive report to others so they are not affected by the malicious activity. Your average person trying to save a buck does not need to fall victim to these bad actors attempting to exfiltrate your data.

I understand the machine is not trusted foundry, but the fact of the matter is there is zero accountability towards these actors. The company has many monikers selling their malware loaded merch online, and they will just rebrand even if acemagic/acemagician/etc gets shut down.

They even closed their myshopify front facing website this past week, after having an apology post admitting to loading these machines with the malware posted.

The malware was good, constantly editing HKCU and HKLM registry keys, disable anti-virus, disabling sys internals, preventing offline scans, using spool services to communicate, and attempting to use ipv6.

Needless to say, I am well versed in malware and had difficulty assessing the totality of the damage until I had to rebuild my soho environment.

So here I am, out money spent on the rigs, and time spent fighting the monsters. For those that this review helps, I will be happy. Fortunately, I do fight actors like this for a living and can use the lessons learned to formulate an executive summary to help plenty of others.

Unless you actually know how to battle state actor malware, do yourself a favor and purchase a machine from a reputable company. Saving a buck is not worth losing your information.
No offensive to the dude, why didn't he diskpart removing all of the drive, format the drive then install windows if the virus was on the drive?
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Oct 31, 2024
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desynergy
Oct 31, 2024
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Quote from Caffeineman :
I agree, but something else to be aware of is malware like moonbounce malware that can survive a wipe reinstall. And you know of malware can survive wipe/os install so can Trojans.
Since it's almost 3 years since Moonbounce was "discovered", how much longer until it starts spreading in these computers? Or anywhere else? I would hope these computers have a new BIOS than early/mid 2022.
Last edited by desynergy October 30, 2024 at 10:02 PM.
Oct 31, 2024
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Oct 31, 2024
ghostfreckle
Oct 31, 2024
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Quote from Caffeineman :
No offensive to the dude, why didn't he diskpart removing all of the drive, format the drive then install windows if the virus was on the drive?
Dude literally spells it out.

"A hidden area on devices provides over-provisioning, optimizing performance for flash-based storage systems that use NAND."

Sounds above and beyond any normal person's skill... Just swap the SSD I guess, but that makes it more expensive...
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Oct 31, 2024
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Oct 31, 2024
kodiak81
Oct 31, 2024
2 Posts
Quote from ghostfreckle :
Dude literally spells it out.

"A hidden area on devices provides over-provisioning, optimizing performance for flash-based storage systems that use NAND."

Sounds above and beyond any normal person's skill... Just swap the SSD I guess, but that makes it more expensive...
Except that's total BS. The guy is confusing Windows recovery partition and ssd over provisioning:
"This malware maintains persistence on the recovery partition."

The malware is due to hacked version of Windows Home used to bypass online account requirement. Delete all partitions and reinstall, it's not that difficult.
Oct 31, 2024
467 Posts
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Oct 31, 2024
Zuirch
Oct 31, 2024
467 Posts
Quote from hindjew :
Would this be overkill for an aging pfsense set up?
This system would not be great for pfSense. One of the NICs is RealTek which isn't great for pfSense or for opnSense. You can look for more up-to-date advice, but that is the conventional wisdom.

From one of the Q&A:
1. Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
2. Intel(R) Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086-125C] [NoDB]

My last experience with RealTek & pfSense was over 10 years ago, and things initially seemed to work fine, but then it would randomly lose WAN connectivity. Unfortunately, just because pfSense boots and sees the NICs doesn't tell you a lot. If you plan to use intrusion detection (Suricata or Snort), forget it.

In theory, you could VLAN the one Intel NIC on-board, but there are plenty of cheap compact equivalents to this with (multiple) Intel NICs. And to use VLAN, you'd need a VLAN-enable switch somewhere to assign a VLAN to your WAN vs your LAN.
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Oct 31, 2024
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Oct 31, 2024
CyanCorn8418
Oct 31, 2024
321 Posts
Quote from desynergy :
Since it's almost 3 years since Moonbounce was "discovered", how much longer until it starts spreading in these computers? Or anywhere else? I would hope these computers have a new BIOS than early/mid 2022.
Something like what's mentioned is still leveraging another storage that could be present, it's the SPI and essentially just another flash storage that's baked into a motherboard.

I agree with most of the posts about just wiping everything out and reinstalling what you want. It only takes maybe a half an hour to do that. I doubt this has an SPI but if it does it's probably a good idea to figure that in with trying to get that cleared out and reset to a known state.

It is a small amount of work but if you don't want to do any of that then stay away from any of these types of machines since what you're looking for - some sort of guaranteed peace of mind - isn't going to be free either.
Oct 31, 2024
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androidf58
Oct 31, 2024
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I don't generally like downvoting posts but this is a tainted product. If I had missed reading these comments I might have recommended this to someone I know that's looking to replace an old desktop tower to something not cinderblock like.
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ScarletSnow543
Oct 31, 2024
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Quote from kodiak81 :
Except that's total BS. The guy is confusing Windows recovery partition and ssd over provisioning:
"This malware maintains persistence on the recovery partition."

The malware is due to hacked version of Windows Home used to bypass online account requirement. Delete all partitions and reinstall, it's not that difficult.
"Dude" mixed up tech terms with some fear factor to boost his own upvotes and clicks. That's enough for the regular folks to believe.
Oct 31, 2024
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LordDragonAlThor
Oct 31, 2024
18 Posts
Quote from sorta_guy :
Beware! The comments on Amazon site by users says this machine has a trojan virus that's bit hard to remove.
Swap out the drive for a bigger one, fresh install of your own OS on there, gg.
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Oct 31, 2024
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toothandnail
Oct 31, 2024
217 Posts
I bought this minipc on the last sale at 269 to try and upgrade a much older desktop not compatible with Win11. Unfortunately after reformatting with Windows 11 24h2 to eliminate any possible malware the box would hard stutter every few seconds. Tried every combo of drivers provided by the mfr on their Google Drive but couldn't figure out what was causing it. I do like the small form factor but I think you give up some stability if using this as replacement for a desktop PC.
Oct 31, 2024
388 Posts
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Oct 31, 2024
hindjew
Oct 31, 2024
388 Posts
Quote from Zuirch :
This system would not be great for pfSense. One of the NICs is RealTek which isn't great for pfSense or for opnSense. You can look for more up-to-date advice, but that is the conventional wisdom.

From one of the Q&A:
1. Realtek RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Adapter
2. Intel(R) Ethernet Controller I226-V [8086-125C] [NoDB]

My last experience with RealTek & pfSense was over 10 years ago, and things initially seemed to work fine, but then it would randomly lose WAN connectivity. Unfortunately, just because pfSense boots and sees the NICs doesn't tell you a lot. If you plan to use intrusion detection (Suricata or Snort), forget it.

In theory, you could VLAN the one Intel NIC on-board, but there are plenty of cheap compact equivalents to this with (multiple) Intel NICs. And to use VLAN, you'd need a VLAN-enable switch somewhere to assign a VLAN to your WAN vs your LAN.
Great point. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I decided to wait out to replace the system. I'm looking into opensense after a few people mentioned it here and on other forums.
Oct 31, 2024
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DeeDon
Oct 31, 2024
999 Posts
Ok, if you ignore the malware issue, is this really spec'd to be a decent "gaming" PC?
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Nov 1, 2024
394 Posts
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DandyChiggins
Nov 1, 2024
394 Posts
Thanks op this thread gave me a good laugh!

P.s. do I need to worry that I clicked the link to the product page? Does acemagician now have access to my PC?! 😩
Last edited by DandyChiggins October 31, 2024 at 10:59 PM.
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Nov 1, 2024
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DandyChiggins
Nov 1, 2024
394 Posts
Quote from LordDragonAlThor :
Swap out the drive for a bigger one, fresh install of your own OS on there, gg.
It's not enough! The malware is so advanced it jumps from drive to drive like a flea. It's very complex to explain. The only solution is to bury the acemagician mini PC 100ft below ground in a lead lined box sadly. While handling the device please do not wear any electronics like a smart watch or have cellphone nearby as these can be potential gateways for the malware to escape to.
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DandyChiggins
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Quote from DeeDon :
Ok, if you ignore the malware issue, is this really spec'd to be a decent "gaming" PC?
The GPU is less powerful than a legion go. Maybe on low settings.

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