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expired Posted by tDames | Staff • Nov 7, 2024
Nov 7, 2024 8:07 PM
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but its within ~3% difference on that ram. you wont even miss it with that blazing fast cpu. especially since they are sold out often of the cpu.
if this is your only opportunity to get it, definitely get it for the cpu alone, and eat the 3%.
Also you can manually oc the ram to cl30 but it will take 30mins-1hour to figure out the sub timings and voltage.
Btw if you get this processor, it can be way more than 3% better in gaming than every single other processor on the market today. Some benchmarks go up to almost 30% under certain resolutions, with certain settings, in certain games.
LTTs review compared CP2077 for example on this and found even at 1080p when you max settings you're only seeing maybe a 2% improvement going 7800X3D to 9800X3D, less than 1% by 1440p/max (even the 5800X3D is less than 1% slower here than the 9800X3D), and by 4k scores are basically identical. And they tested several other games this way and saw even less difference at the ultra settings across resolutions.... and I don't imagine there's a LOT of folks who buy a top-tier gaming CPU then run 1080p low?
The 9800X3D does beat the 7800X3D in productivity testing by a decent bit-- but if that's your primary use case the 9700X beats both in most testing (let alone the higher core/speed 9xxx chips).... Still, if you're primarily a gamer but ALSO do a decent amount of cpu-heavy productivity stuff, the upgrade is probably worth it.... purely for gaming though, not so much.... It's possible the gaming benefits will be more apparent in gaming with say a future 5090 or something, but no way to quantify that now.
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usage will be for some light gaming, the ability to have 100-200 combined tabs on chrome/firefox/edge(might upgrade to 64gb of ram), opened for research and monitoring work. also a few hours of automated trading everyday
I'm still on a 5700x, and I'm probably just going to eventually sidegrade into a 5700x3d and ride out AM4 until AM6.
I'm in Texas only have two Dallas or Houston. And I'm in the middle between both them.
The LTT ones?
https://youtu.be/y-ZfIxa6dhY?si=e.
That timestamp starts at the part where he shows how the HUGE gains at 1080p/low get progressively smaller as you move up in resolution...
Sure.
At higher quality and performance- not so much
Heck even by 1080p Ultra (vs low) the 9800X3D is only giving you an uplift of roughly 2 percent vs the 7800X3D on a 4090.
At 1440p Ultra even the 5800X3D is basically TIED with both the 7800X3D and 9800X3D...(only 1-3 fps total between all 3)... Ditto 4K.
And as already mentioned- that was on the game in their test suite that showed the LARGEST difference between the CPUs-- the others were even nearer to nothing.
Keep in mind the context of my reply- a guy with a 7800X3D was asking if he should get this instead was who I was answering- not someone with a 10 year old celeron or something.
By all means if you've got an old CPU and a powerful GPU and are buying a BRAND NEW setup today for gaming specifically, the 9800X3D is the best thing there is.
It just makes no sense to replace a 7800X3D with one-- which was the actual question I was answering.
If doing 4k/Ultra gaming it doesn't even make sense to replace an existing 5800X3D with one--- (especially since you'd need not just the CPU but also a new MB and RAM).
Because the ones I've seen with a sufficient GPU show nearly 0 difference between a 7800X3D and a 9800X3D (or even a 5800X3D) in nearly every title tested.
If you don't like LTT here's Wendell from Level1Techs reviewing it with higher res results too and ALSO finding what I told you already-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KswGlkr
Anyway, nearly every game he tests shows a max 1-2 fps difference at 4k- and most are similarly close even at 1440p...he did have a couple with slightly larger (but still single digit %) differences at 4k, but few and far between.
But mine wasn't a single one, LTT tested a number of games-- all of em on a 4090 at 4k showed near 0 difference--- Because GPU is still the limit, not CPU, running that high/hard.
Wendell tested even more- nearly all of which again showed a near-0 difference at 4k
(in both cases there was often near 0 diff at 1440p too, but not as consistently as there was at 4k)
Again this might all change when the 5090 comes out-- but it's the case today--- 4k Ultra players remain GPU limited and throwing MOAR CPU at a system that already has an excellent slightly older x800-X3D CPU won't do much of anything for you today.
The REASON GN didn't do that testing of course, was they knew it wouldn't show meaningful difference of course....and sure enough when LTT tested it anyway- no meaningful difference.
But I added the L1Techs review too since I've not met anyone who knows anything who doesn't respect Wendells chops.
Please show me all these "extremely CPU" bound games for folks running 4k/Ultra on 120+ refresh displays with a 4090.
Yup... though the bundle here is $680.... friend of mine got a 7800X3D bundle (otherwise similar) also at MC...just a few weeks ago.. for almost $200 less.
Especially since he's intending to game at 4k, that near $200 to go back to MC and swap for the 9800X3D bundle would've done virtually nothing for him--- same as the original guy asking that I was replying to.
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LTTs review compared CP2077 for example on this and found even at 1080p when you max settings you're only seeing maybe a 2% improvement going 7800X3D to 9800X3D, less than 1% by 1440p/max (even the 5800X3D is less than 1% slower here than the 9800X3D), and by 4k scores are basically identical. And they tested several other games this way and saw even less difference at the ultra settings across resolutions.... and I don't imagine there's a LOT of folks who buy a top-tier gaming CPU then run 1080p low?
The 9800X3D does beat the 7800X3D in productivity testing by a decent bit-- but if that's your primary use case the 9700X beats both in most testing (let alone the higher core/speed 9xxx chips).... Still, if you're primarily a gamer but ALSO do a decent amount of cpu-heavy productivity stuff, the upgrade is probably worth it.... purely for gaming though, not so much.... It's possible the gaming benefits will be more apparent in gaming with say a future 5090 or something, but no way to quantify that now.
I mean, an i7-8086k is from like 6.5 years ago-- so yes a CPU upgrade could help with the issues you mention. (moving to a PCIe 5 motherboard for SSD speeds would be a nice upgrade for you too)
The question was if it's worth upgrading from an already quite capable modern CPU to this one for higher resolution gaming.... to which the answer is no. But your situation is vastly different from that.
The way the Youtuber/reviewers typically test this stuff is:
If testing a CPU, they test it with a 4090.... meaning they are, as much as possible, reducing the degree to which GPU bottlenecks are masking performance differences between CPUs.
Thus in 1080p low testing- where the 4090 is NOT a bottleneck at all you see significant performance gains even between a 7800X3D and a 9800X3D.
The CPU improvement gets you legit gains across the spectrum because the game can use every bit of CPU you throw at it.
But now run the same thing, with the same 4090, at 4k Ultra.... and the 7800X3D and 9800X3D (and even 5800X3D usually) end up offering about the same performance.
Because the GPU, even with a 4090, is your bottleneck. The CPU improvement does little to nothing for you, because the game is rarely if ever waiting on the CPU-- it's still waiting on the GPU. MOAR CPU just means the CPU is doing nothing more often.
This is why I waited to switch to a 5800X3D (from a 3600X) until the 4090 came out.... the 3600X CPU wasn't holding me back at 4k/Ultra before then-- with a 4090 it finally was... but it's not compared to a 7800X3D or 9800X3D.
Now- when the 5090 comes out, it's possible it's so much more powerful that you WILL see a difference even at 4k between the three top-of-their-series X3D CPUs....(or it might be more like the 1080ti to 2xxx series where the bump is much smaller). We won't know for another couple months till the 5090 comes out and is heavily tested. My suspicion is the 5800X3D will do me fine till the 6090 is out (and big OLED TVs support >120-144Hz refresh rates) but we'll see.
All that said--Your CPU is so old it'll bottleneck the performance of the system a lot sooner. and since you seem to be a person who hangs on to the same CPU/MB combo for 6+ years, the 9800X3D would give you most future-proofing currently available.
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