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$175: Intel Core i5-13600KF Desktop Processor at Amazon

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Nov 11, 2024
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shmekeru
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Can the experts recommend a motherboard that will launch the full potential of this CPU? Thank you
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Quote from shmekeru :
Can the experts recommend a motherboard that will launch the full potential of this CPU? Thank you
That comes down to a matter of preference and specific needs. There aren't motherboards that give the processor more "potential" unless you're talking about extreme overclocking scenarios.

Do you want a full sized ATX system or are you trying to go with a smaller case?

Is onboard WiFi required? How many M.2 storage slots do you need?

Do you have a budget?
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Quote from shmekeru :
Can the experts recommend a motherboard that will launch the full potential of this CPU? Thank you
https://slickdeals.net/f/17871261-170-msi-mag-z790-tomahawk-wifi-gaming-motherboard-at-amazon?src=category_page
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MaKlounkee
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Very good deal.

Be sure to update the BIOS on your motherboard. The 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs had an issue causing instability and even degradation, and the BIOS updates are still happening. My Asus motherboard just got the most recent one yesterday!

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Version 3601
10.98 MB
2024/11/11
1. Updated with Intel microcode 0x12B to address elevated voltage requests during idle or light activity, further mitigating Vmin Shift instability issues.
2. The option to disable C1E in the BIOS has been removed to ensure it remains enabled, reducing processor stress and maintaining stability per Intel's recommendation.
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Quote from shmekeru :
motherboard that will launch the full potential of this CPU?
something else to keep in mind while MB shopping for any CPU
the MB is "simply" the highway between CPU GPU RAM SSD
so if you invest in a great MB, but then go cheap on those others
the "potential" of any CPU will not be "unlocked".
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Quote from MaKlounkee :
Very good deal.

Be sure to update the BIOS on your motherboard. The 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs had an issue causing instability and even degradation, and the BIOS updates are still happening. My Asus motherboard just got the most recent one yesterday!
Crippling the CPU to keep it from getting destroyed too quickly. 13th and 14th gen Intel are a crap shoot.

This is the worst silicon lottery ever. Treat these chips as disposable to avoid disappointment.

You've been warned.
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Quote from dealmeister3000 :
Crippling the CPU to keep it from getting destroyed too quickly. 13th and 14th gen Intel are a crap shoot.

This is the worst silicon lottery ever. Treat these chips as disposable to avoid disappointment.

You've been warned.
Is it really crippling them? The 0x12b benchmarks I've seen show performance is the same or only marginally lower.

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Is it really crippling them? The 0x12b benchmarks I've seen show performance is the same or only marginally lower.
I would have to revisit the topic.

It is just from what I know these chips just have a bad design. The flaw is baked into the silicon. Whatever patches they are doing with software is just to push back the inevitable expiration date.

That is not to say don't buy them. They may make sense at a particular price. But let's be real. They are a gamble.
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I'm not totally up to speed either. I know there was an actual manufacturing issue that effected some 13th gen batches. Something about oxidation. But this is distinct from the voltage issue that is addressed by the microcode updates, of which 0x12b is supposedly the final.

Now we can never know for sure how widespread the oxidation issue is/was since Intel can't really be trusted.
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Quote from dealmeister3000 :
I would have to revisit the topic.It is just from what I know these chips just have a bad design. The flaw is baked into the silicon. Whatever patches they are doing with software is just to push back the inevitable expiration date.That is not to say don't buy them. They may make sense at a particular price. But let's be real. They are a gamble.
There's an incredibly overblown negative feedback loop on the internet about 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs. Starting at the top, YES, there was an issue with some CPUs being occasionally fed too much core voltage that can over time lead to degradation (completely fixed with latest patch). The microcode updates have a completely negligible performance hit in real-world scenarios, plenty of videos out there about it. You would experience the same performance just running the cpu at Intel's suggested limits (PL1/2 @ 253W) that motherboard manufacturers ignored in their default settings to juice their benchmarks for marketing purposes.

There is also a much more rare issue with very specific batches that are mostly already out of the supply chain where oxidation may occur. Your chance of experiencing this second issue is infinitesimally small to the point that any other random run-of-the-mill manufacturing defect is more likely to occur.
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Quote from MaKlounkee :
I'm not totally up to speed either. I know there was an actual manufacturing issue that effected some 13th gen batches. Something about oxidation. But this is distinct from the voltage issue that is addressed by the microcode updates, of which 0x12b is supposedly the final.

Now we can never know for sure how widespread the oxidation issue is/was since Intel can't really be trusted.
Don't conflate the two issues and make the misinformation worse.

The reality is that unless you purchase a used system or find some lot from the earliest released batch, the likelihood of running into an oxidization defect is nil.

As for the voltage issue, applying the microcode update has proven to resolve it.

As long as you make that a priority when assembling your system (even before installing an OS), the chance of damage is nearly impossible.

It's important to understand that these aren't "ticking time bombs" like the guy above you keeps incorrectly spouting off in every single Intel thread.

The damage was discovered through use and exacerbated by people driving their systems hard. Booting to the BIOS and applying the microcode update isn't enough to impart any damage.

Besides, this is a tray processor, so Intel has extended the warranty on them. Minor inconvenience? Maybe. Gamble? Not so much.
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I don't know, especially for those have access to MC.
MC AMD 9700X bundle is $430. imo it's much better.
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Quote from wherestheanykey :
Don't conflate the two issues and make the misinformation worse.

The reality is that unless you purchase a used system or find some lot from the earliest released batch, the likelihood of running into an oxidization defect is nil...
Thanks for the info. I do wish Intel would release what they know about which batches were affected. So far it's been vague and inconsistent. They did say it was possible affected stock could have persisted into early 2024. Their reluctance is the main reason I am hesitant to trust them.

But as a deal seeker I am happy to take advantage of the market's reaction and get a CPU at a great value.
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Quote from MaKlounkee :
Thanks for the info. I do wish Intel would release what they know about which batches were affected. So far it's been vague and inconsistent. They did say it was possible affected stock could have persisted into early 2024. Their reluctance is the main reason I am hesitant to trust them.

But as a deal seeker I am happy to take advantage of the market's reaction and get a CPU at a great value.
Your odds of running into said batches from a tray processor were infinitesimally small to begin with, so I don't blame Intel for not furnishing more hysteria.

At this point, we should be back to getting discounts due to it becoming an older processor, rather than the bad press.
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How to tell what's generation 13 & 14?

Is it the two digits after the listing of "Core i5-" ?

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