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What are your thoughts on Amazon warehouses unionizing, and the current strike?

2,860 785 December 17, 2024 at 05:03 AM
I've heard that several Amazon warehouses have successfully formed a union. Although Amazon is forced to recognize them, the company has continually dragged its feet in meeting to negotiate with the unions.

I'll admit, I'm kind of surprised that Amazon didn't immediately close down any warehouse that voted to form a union, saying that they "no longer needed that location", or something along those lines.
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komondor
12-18-2024 at 01:13 PM.
12-18-2024 at 01:13 PM.
If you close it after a vote you had better not open another one anytime in the near future. I am always surprised at the unwillingness to bargain at all not all contracts cost the company a lot more as long as they allow for flexible work assignments (I only drive the forklift, if there is nothing being moved I just sit and wait) or number of worker requirements ( 4 people to load a truck when all that happens in the guy with the forklift loads 24 pallets) for a task.

Just my 2 cents I have seen where workers tend to stay in their jobs too long when they are unionized and where the work rules just cause issues between employees.
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12-23-2024 at 06:36 PM.
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Bye those workers. Me love unions but bezosvdoes not
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12-23-2024 at 11:59 PM.
12-23-2024 at 11:59 PM.
Quote from slugbug :
I've heard that several Amazon warehouses have successfully formed a union. Although Amazon is forced to recognize them, the company has continually dragged its feet in meeting to negotiate with the unions.

I'll admit, I'm kind of surprised that Amazon didn't immediately close down any warehouse that voted to form a union, saying that they "no longer needed that location", or something along those lines.
Starbucks did that here in Seattle (closed a location after they unionized) and they got sued. Amazon has enough lawsuits going on.
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12-24-2024 at 05:43 AM.
12-24-2024 at 05:43 AM.
Is the podium busted?
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12-24-2024 at 03:15 PM.
12-24-2024 at 03:15 PM.
Amazon will probably be one of the first companies to automate way many of these jobs so I say earn what you can, while you can.

I hope I am wrong but many of us will be out of jobs in the near future due to AI/robotics/greed and unless we figure out alternatives, the middle class will be joining the poor class. The top 5% will be richer than ever though.
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12-24-2024 at 10:31 PM.
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Quote from ikonoklast :
Amazon will probably be one of the first companies to automate way many of these jobs so I say earn what you can, while you can.

I hope I am wrong but many of us will be out of jobs in the near future due to AI/robotics/greed and unless we figure out alternatives, the middle class will be joining the poor class. The top 5% will be richer than ever though.
Amazon has a new warehouse in Shreveport, Louisiana, that is almost entirely run by robotics. They still need humans, but yes, in the not too distant future, the most in demand job will be robotics and repair.

AI has argued a court case. Robots that flip burgers have been around for awhile and they don't need time off or healthcare. They can survive any wage increase, and weren't too pricey last I checked. Robots have been used in pharmacies for decades. In another 20 years, especially with the decline of physical retail, people are going to be in trouble.
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12-25-2024 at 05:32 AM.
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Quote from LC2 :
Amazon has a new warehouse in Shreveport, Louisiana, that is almost entirely run by robotics. They still need humans, but yes, in the not too distant future, the most in demand job will be robotics and repair.

AI has argued a court case. Robots that flip burgers have been around for awhile and they don't need time off or healthcare. They can survive any wage increase, and weren't too pricey last I checked. Robots have been used in pharmacies for decades. In another 20 years, especially with the decline of physical retail, people are going to be in trouble.
Jobs for the unskilled need to be phased out anyhow. Plain & simple - That's what you get for not having an education.
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12-25-2024 at 09:30 AM.
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Unskilled labor will never pay well enough to really get ahead, makes more sense to automate those jobs than pay someone a lower wage and have them injured from repetitive motion like picking items or packing boxes.

I work in IT and we use scripts and automation of some sort to avoid repetitive tasks like updating computers or building a server. So to me automation is good, yes there are fewer people working in IT due to automation but the repetitive tasks jobs never paid that much and caused carpal tunnel etc. I much prefer to troubleshoot the computers that are not working properly.
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12-26-2024 at 02:57 AM.
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Quote from SnakePlisken :
Jobs for the unskilled need to be phased out anyhow. Plain & simple - That's what you get for not having an education.
I thought all you got for not having an education was a cookie and maybe a job as a mod on SD.
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12-26-2024 at 07:16 AM.
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Quote from komondor :
Unskilled labor will never pay well enough to really get ahead, makes more sense to automate those jobs than pay someone a lower wage and have them injured from repetitive motion like picking items or packing boxes.

I work in IT and we use scripts and automation of some sort to avoid repetitive tasks like updating computers or building a server. So to me automation is good, yes there are fewer people working in IT due to automation but the repetitive tasks jobs never paid that much and caused carpal tunnel etc. I much prefer to troubleshoot the computers that are not working properly.
The issue is that we generally have a pyramid structure when it comes to jobs. Upper Management is small, middle management is a bit larger, and then you have the worker bees who are the majority. This is obviously a gross oversimplification, but this is for the sake of the argument. What do we do as a society if AI/automation replaces the worker bee jobs at a rate that's faster than these displaced people can find alternative jobs... because the alternative jobs have also been automated away?

And this will not only affect low-skilled jobs. A lot of tech-bros have been laid off over the last couple of years. Google just announced they will lay off 10% of their managerial workforce. It's not just the "should have gotten an education workforce" that's being affected, management level jobs are and will be affected more and more too. AI/automation will get better, there may be a ceiling, but I think the celling is pretty high.

I think a lot of educated people and people in middle to upper management look down on HS graduates or vocational workers, but I think these people will be in the same boat soon enough. Your advanced degree won't help you when those advanced degree jobs no longer exist. Going to turn a lot of so-called free-market folks into so-called socialist really quick. I hope I am wrong and I don't want that to happen because there will be a lot of social turmoil.
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12-26-2024 at 10:46 AM.
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I really think this is a good conversation and it is being talked about by a lot of people.
This story has a lot of good information about how the number of people in the workforce has been shrinking due to the aging of the population and people having fewer children.


https://www.uschamber.com/workfor...r-shortage

This is from the chmber of Congress
We hear every day from our member companies—of every size and industry, across nearly every state—that they're facing unprecedented challenges trying to find enough workers to fill open jobs. Right now, the latest data shows that we have 8 million job openings in the U.S. but only 6.8 million unemployed workers.

The other issue of course is how much does the job pay. Having 10 jobs that pay $40,000 a year is not the same as 5 jobs that pay $80,000.

As an example AI can take over the job of someone taking reservations at a restaurant over the phone. It should not be that complex to have AI take over that function but it also opens the person up to be able to do other work than answer the phone.

Taken one step further you have an issue with something you purchased from Amazon needs to be returned your first option is to chat with a Bot and many times it can arrange a return for you. This takes takes the need to chat with someone from a 3rd world country but the job is very basic and requires no skill to speak of which is why AI can handle it. For the issues requiring a person they can now afford to pay someone a little more money for that 2nd level job since the first level is a bot. I have had conversations with a few companies, Delta Airlines most recently where the level 2 real person was very helpful and wanted to make sure I had no other questions.

So yes some jobs going away some new jobs but AI and automation will be replacing people who do repetitive and low level tasks for the most part.

Now I am lucky in that I provide computer support for a closed network so no AI no work from home options. But like everything at one time they had 5 people doing support now there are 2. The 5 people did not do a very good job and that was one of the reasons their jobs were cut and it has taken over 4 years to get the systems back to where they should be. COVID was an accelerant to this issue but it would have happened. The 5 people did everything they could to resist any kind of automation and in the end they lost their jobs because they were not willing to embrace the changes. The funny part is the monitoring and upgrading required would have required the staff of 5. Instead I am supporting a Windows network that has not been upgraded for years.
So to me embrace the change and look for other places to apply your skills. I do password resets and have tried to push for an automated system but they do not want to pay for the cost of the software as they will still have to pay for 2 support people.
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01-02-2025 at 05:52 AM.
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I'm not versed on the specifics, but it is hard to think of a company with a more hostile reputation towards its workforce. We all trade a portion of the hours of our life for our sustenance, but the costs to our sanity and dignity are much more variable. Amazon warehouse personnel sound to get a high wage for the skill level, but with high costs in stress and dignity. It is hard to imagine delivery personnel have it much better. I feel for people needing to take this deal.

In this situation, unions sound like a good idea. Maybe they can negotiate pay structures that add some flexibly and dignity. A lower base salary with a bonus system motivates and rewards high performance without it being an absolute requirement. The cost for production can be similar, but with a different psychology.

Unions may also help negotiate realistic definitions or options for contract work vs. benefits eligibility.
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01-02-2025 at 02:52 PM.
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Unions had a place a very long time ago.
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01-07-2025 at 04:50 PM.
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