Crutchfield has
Revel Concerta2 F35 2.5-Way Triple 5.25" Floor-Standing Loudspeaker (High Gloss White) for
$400.
Shipping is free.
Thanks to community member
supermanrob for finding this deal.
Note: On backorder, but can still order. Expected: 1/9/2025
Features:
- 2.5-way, 4-driver design
- 1" aluminum dome tweeter with proprietary acoustic lens and waveguide for consistent dispersion over a wide listening area
- 5-1/4" anodized aluminum cone midrange/woofer with cast frame for reduced resonance
- dual 5-1/4" anodized aluminum cone woofers with cast frames for reduced resonance
- advanced high-order crossovers optimize timbre accuracy both on axis and throughout the room
- cabinet has 1"-thick MDF walls, plus extensive internal bracing
- bass-reflex (ported) cabinet design with rear-firing port
- low-frequency extension: 55Hz (-3dB), 46Hz (-6dB), 35Hz (-10dB)
- sensitivity: 90 dB
- impedance: 6 ohms
- recommended amplifier power: 30-180 watts
- gold-plated binding post speaker terminals
- removable grille is magnetically attached
- 8-7/16"W x 40-3/8"H x 12-5/16"D
- weight: 41 lbs.
- warranty: 5 years
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That said, the D17's 10" passive radiators are not subs/subwoofers in any way at all. Absolutely zero.
The designer chose to use passive radiators which for ease of explanation serve a nearly identically purpose to a $3 plastic tuned port.
For any one wondering about it and cross shopping the F35 here with the Definitive D17.
The D17 is a 3 way design with the 1" tweeter, a 6.5" midrange that does not play bass and it uses 2, 6.5" dedicated bass woofers per speaker and instead of a port they are tuned with the dual 10" passive radiators. Generally speaking, these do not add any more output capability vs a tuned port and serve the same purpose. They do look cool though and obviously cost more to manufacture vs a plastic port. To certain buyers this makes the D17 look like it has more to offer vs ported options, in reality it does not. It has about the same output as it would have if they just used a port vs the radiators.
So the D17 is a tower competing with other designs using 2, 6.5" bass drivers and a port. There is no subwoofer involved at all.
The F35 is 2.5 way and it has 3, 5.25" woofers that all handle the bass per speaker. This adds up to a bit less ability to move air than the 2, 6.5" drivers of the D17. Both have about the same out put as a single 8" woofer would have give or take a little. The D17 woofers are also apparently a bit more beefy and robust. I'd guess the D17 has more low bass and mid bass capability vs the F35, but not a lot more. Still more. Also being a true 3way the midrange in the D17 has an easier time playing loudly as it would not have to deal with bass notes.
I'd guess based on the Revel speakers I have heard and the Definitive demand speakers I have heard that it would hard to decide without hearing in your own room. Both sets are going to be very good. I think if we blind tested 30 people, it would be something like 10 pick the F35, 10 pick the D17 and 10 don't have a preference. Obviously just a guess on that.
The demand line was extremely overpriced at launch, especially the D15 and D17 towers, so take that MSRP with a grain of salt.
I think the Concerta2 and Demand D line are direct performance competitors despite initial price variances.
The F35 competes size and driver wise with D15
The F36 competes size and driver wise with the D17
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I slightly preferred the r162 to the m16 and that is saying alot as I really like the m16. And if using PEQ I can get the r162 to sound simply outstanding.
Out of the box, the m16 has a slightly darker, warmer sound vs the r162.
All that said, for this price def worth trying the Revel set.
I would add r162 vs Revel especially these, what powers them matters.
You use a popular 100-120 watt AVR from here, will matter in that comparison.
Imo anthonypt87s concern could be a good example.
I'm willing to bet, if he adds a good external amp would change his opinion on those imo.
Which is better is completely personal choice from listening to them.
The d17 have a "built in" subwoofer but pretty weak one compared to stand alone imo.
These Revels highly benefit from clean good power, that should be calculated into the choice imo.
I would add r162 vs Revel especially these, what powers them matters.
You use a popular 100-120 watt AVR from here, will matter in that comparison.
Imo anthonypt87s concern could be a good example.
I'm willing to bet, if he adds a good external amp would change his opinion on those imo.
A black speaker grill would be cool, but the white is fine. The black speakers look better with the grills off, IMO.
The c25 center pairs nicely, but certainly isn't needed.
They do well on their own, but any setup will be much improved by a standalone sub.
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That said, the D17's 10" passive radiators are not subs/subwoofers in any way at all. Absolutely zero.
The designer chose to use passive radiators which for ease of explanation serve a nearly identically purpose to a $3 plastic tuned port.
For any one wondering about it and cross shopping the F35 here with the Definitive D17.
The D17 is a 3 way design with the 1" tweeter, a 6.5" midrange that does not play bass and it uses 2, 6.5" dedicated bass woofers per speaker and instead of a port they are tuned with the dual 10" passive radiators. Generally speaking, these do not add any more output capability vs a tuned port and serve the same purpose. They do look cool though and obviously cost more to manufacture vs a plastic port. To certain buyers this makes the D17 look like it has more to offer vs ported options, in reality it does not. It has about the same output as it would have if they just used a port vs the radiators.
So the D17 is a tower competing with other designs using 2, 6.5" bass drivers and a port. There is no subwoofer involved at all.
The F35 is 2.5 way and it has 3, 5.25" woofers that all handle the bass per speaker. This adds up to a bit less ability to move air than the 2, 6.5" drivers of the D17. Both have about the same out put as a single 8" woofer would have give or take a little. The D17 woofers are also apparently a bit more beefy and robust. I'd guess the D17 has more low bass and mid bass capability vs the F35, but not a lot more. Still more. Also being a true 3way the midrange in the D17 has an easier time playing loudly as it would not have to deal with bass notes.
I'd guess based on the Revel speakers I have heard and the Definitive demand speakers I have heard that it would hard to decide without hearing in your own room. Both sets are going to be very good. I think if we blind tested 30 people, it would be something like 10 pick the F35, 10 pick the D17 and 10 don't have a preference. Obviously just a guess on that.
The demand line was extremely overpriced at launch, especially the D15 and D17 towers, so take that MSRP with a grain of salt.
I think the Concerta2 and Demand D line are direct performance competitors despite initial price variances.
The F35 competes size and driver wise with D15
The F36 competes size and driver wise with the D17
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The other two I definitely disagree especially the m16s!
Harman list them as 86 dB,6ohms,recommended power starts at 50, that's a little generous imo.
From personal experience with a 140 watt Yamaha & 5.1 of these including m16s.
Adding an external amp made an obvious difference in potential.
I slightly preferred the r162 to the m16 and that is saying alot as I really like the m16. And if using PEQ I can get the r162 to sound simply outstanding.
Out of the box, the m16 has a slightly darker, warmer sound vs the r162.
All that said, for this price def worth trying the Revel set.
This is all 'out of the box' as some geeks like me will make some adjustments to speakers using manual DSP/PEQ and by doing that there is even less difference between them, you can tweak either set to taste very well.
Plus the RC263 center is extremely good. The Concerto2 line does not have an equal. Long ago I used 2 RC263's as mains, I was able to tweak them a bit to achieve absolutely phenomenal sound.
For a super basic tweak that doesn't require careful use of PEQ/DSP. If anyone finds the Infinity Reference line a little bright they can turn the treble down a 1db or 2 or just listen a bit off axis. If the M16 is a bit dark turn the treble up 1-2db and the bass down about 1-2db if it is a little to warm.
Now don't get me wrong. For example my Revel M126be set does sound better than the R162 set. Tweaked the right way though they are very close. 90-95% of the sound in the R162 that I paid $150 for vs the $3k+ M126be set.
If you want to really upgrade and get something really good, start looking at something like the Philharmonic Audio BMR line or the Revel Performa3 line. Maybe the KEF 'Rmeta' line or Arendal Sound in Norway. These are expensive, though that is about where you will want to be in order to possibly upgrade from your already great speakers.
Note the Revel Performa3 line is being discontinued/replaced next year so some deals are around. Still expensive.
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As some stated earlier, having experience with both, if you had 30 random people listen to both properly implemented imo all 30 would say these would sound better.
As you can see it's exponentially much more complicated than that for MANY reasons.
Unfortunately no one can actually answer whether these are an up/side/downgrade for you, even more so if it's worth it imo.
If you're happy just continue being happy and don't look back.
If not I would figure out why and research which speakers will fix it and try to listen to those and see which ones actually do fix it.
If you listen to one and say wow if I had the money I would get these.
Those are the ones I would suggest getting, just do it piece by piece if you have to.
If it was as easy as just EQing everyone would just buy something like the infinity's and save A LOT of money imo.
If it was as easy as just EQing everyone would just buy something like the infinity's and save A LOT of money imo.
Someone who knows how to do this should indeed pick speakers that save them money and have the bones required for PEQ have maximum benefit. Even if not using it for saving money it can still be sued to great sonic affect. Many speakers in all price ranges would benefit greatly from PEQ. Likewise many speakers have issues that can't be helped by using parametric eq and parametric eq can't be used to make all speakers good, or make all speakers sound identical or any other extreme notion.
At any rate most on SD are looking at an 'out of the box' experience, not using PEQ/DSP ect.
The whole Infinity Reference line and the whole Revel Concerto2 line have been designed well using solid design principles. They all should sound great out of the box. Both lines benefit about equally from some PEQ if the skill is there but it is isn't required. They do have the previously mentioned intentional tonal difference. The Infinity set was likely designed to typically be placed a bit closer to the walls, the Revels pulled out more. The Infinity set pointed straight out into the room, the Revels aimed more directed at the main listening spot. All of this can be played with and subjective preferences will play into it all.
The quality of the cabinets and drivers is nice and about the same with the Concerto2 having a better finish.
*Note the Performa3 and Be lines are a big upgrade in terms of drivers and cabinet construction with those Italian made cabs.
I'd love to see Harman do another 'poor mans Revel' and release more Infinity home audio based like the Reference line off the current Revel designs. (It seems like for now they shifted that company into mainly OEM at the factory car audio.)
1) Floor standing or Inwall, sounds better ?
2) which speaker on sale now would you recommend ?
3) A good 7.2.4 receiver
4) 150" Screen
Really appreciate if you can provide some guidance with these.
Someone who knows how to do this should indeed pick speakers that save them money and have the bones required for PEQ have maximum benefit. Even if not using it for saving money it can still be sued to great sonic affect. Many speakers in all price ranges would benefit greatly from PEQ. Likewise many speakers have issues that can't be helped by using parametric eq and parametric eq can't be used to make all speakers good, or make all speakers sound identical or any other extreme notion.
At any rate most on SD are looking at an 'out of the box' experience, not using PEQ/DSP ect.
The whole Infinity Reference line and the whole Revel Concerto2 line have been designed well using solid design principles. They all should sound great out of the box. Both lines benefit about equally from some PEQ if the skill is there but it is isn't required. They do have the previously mentioned intentional tonal difference. The Infinity set was likely designed to typically be placed a bit closer to the walls, the Revels pulled out more. The Infinity set pointed straight out into the room, the Revels aimed more directed at the main listening spot. All of this can be played with and subjective preferences will play into it all.
The quality of the cabinets and drivers is nice and about the same with the Concerto2 having a better finish.
*Note the Performa3 and Be lines are a big upgrade in terms of drivers and cabinet construction with those Italian made cabs.
I'd love to see Harman do another 'poor mans Revel' and release more Infinity home audio based like the Reference line off the current Revel designs. (It seems like for now they shifted that company into mainly OEM at the factory car audio.)
For me IF any of that is an "issue" audibly no graph/measurement will tell
me, listening will.
Especially knowing where I do, will affect that sound and every environment is different.
Pick a speaker based on PEQs, not for me.
Let me properly set them up & listen, I'll tell you which sound I prefer.
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