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expiredMalaibazaar posted Jan 05, 2025 04:50 PM
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expiredMalaibazaar posted Jan 05, 2025 04:50 PM
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one of the worst cars i've ever owned, technology is very poorly designed and frustrating, countless recalls and range is mediocre at best.
there are many more comparable options when it comes to EV. Chevy Equinox being one that is also very well priced.
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There is a up to $4K rebate on used EVs. From what I recall, the rebate is for 30% of the sales price, applies to 2 year old and older model years, has income limits, and you need tax liability (it's not a credit). There's some good used EVs on the market at good prices. Most EVs come with at least a 8 year / 100K mile warranty on the battery.
There's all sorts of lease cost calculators online that go through all the variables.
As cars become more and more software based, you are going to find that trying to integrate carplay/android auto holds back features from being implemented. It's impossible to write holistic software to run a car while also depending on whatever it is apple and google are doing with their software. You only notice this in Tesla's right now because they are so far ahead.
There are very long lists of features that a 2 year old Tesla has received since it was first sold. This is always the case. It's one of their selling points. But if none of that compares to the importance of integrating with your favorite cell phone company, then it's clearly not for you.
If Tesla software is so great why nobody else is using it, while most phones are running on Android or IOS? People have different priorities when buying a car, maybe software integration not one them and they perfectly fine with Apple Car play, GM have Google
built software for current EVs. There will be always hardware limitation for the future update, HW3 is a prime example, those people will never have an actual FSD unless hardware upgraded.
.... because nobody else has the hardware to do so in their cars? The current media computer in a Tesla is insanely more powerful than what's in the typical Camry or whatever.
Not to mention it requires relatively deep vertical integration of controls for various parts of the car--- while most OEMs farm those various parts out to a bunch of 3rd party suppliers instead.
Also because Tesla doesn't offer the software to anyone else--- and legacy lacks the engineering capability to adapt a version of their own... (VW is the poster child for this- having famously hired 10,000 people to try and make their own car software years ago- and it being an utter disaster of a failure for them.)
But Tesla already stated if higher level HW is needed for FSD owners with HW3 they would provide that hardware to them.
For free.
Just as they already upgraded HW 2.x FSD owners to HW3 previously. For free.
(and if you didn't own FSD, you could still get the HW upgrade you just had to pay for it)
When's the last time you heard of any legacy car maker giving out hardware upgrades to years-newer features in older cars? For any price?
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built software for current EVs. There will be always hardware limitation for the future update, HW3 is a prime example, those people will never have an actual FSD unless hardware upgraded.
Here is the CEO of ford explaining it for you: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/statu...FCdpA&s
Tesla is the only company that has built a car from the ground up for total unified software integration, and as the CEO of Ford points out, everyone is playing catch up. In the future, your car-buying will be almost identical to phone buying. You will be buying into a software experience/ecosystem more than what's under the hood.
Here is the CEO of ford explaining it for you: https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/statu...FCdpA&s
Tesla is the only company that has built a car from the ground up for total unified software integration, and as the CEO of Ford points out, everyone is playing catch up. In the future, your car-buying will be almost identical to phone buying. You will be buying into a software experience/ecosystem more than what's under the hood.
Nice try, how about Android? That's Ford CEO opinion, other CEOs may have a different ones
Again, GM just have Google built the software for them, there are choices.
Rivian has one, Lucid as well I am not even starting with Chines.
Why none of them use Tesla ones? You can predict the future of a carbuyng? lol
Again, GM just have Google built the software for them, there are choices.
Rivian has one, Lucid as well I am not even starting with Chines.
Why none of them use Tesla ones? You can predict the future of a carbuyng? lol
Rivian and Lucid are in the same boat as Tesla but Tesla is just the oldest and the biggest.
What the CEO of Ford is saying isn't an opinion. It's fact. It's fact for every other legacy car manufacturer. They have 100+ years of suppliers and supply chain relationships, each with their own software that is not owned or created by Ford. It's a fact that legacy cars have between 50 and 100 computers (microcontrollers) in them, each with their own proprietary software.
Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid are the only companies that can, out of necessity, build a car with one unified software package for everything. They have the luxury of not putting anything in their vehicles they don't control the software for.
The hurdle is insurmountable for these legacy auto makers. That's why Volkswagon is paying Rivian billions to help them accelerate all this.
Rivian and Lucid are in the same boat as Tesla but Tesla is just the oldest and the biggest.
What the CEO of Ford is saying isn't an opinion. It's fact. It's fact for every other legacy car manufacturer. They have 100+ years of suppliers and supply chain relationships, each with their own software that is not owned or created by Ford. It's a fact that legacy cars have between 50 and 100 computers (microcontrollers) in them, each with their own proprietary software.
Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid are the only companies that can, out of necessity, build a car with one unified software package for everything. They have the luxury of not putting anything in their vehicles they don't control the software for.
The hurdle is insurmountable for these legacy auto makers. That's why Volkswagon is paying Rivian billions to help them accelerate all this.
Why it matters who build the software, if you can't do it yourself, you can always hire somebody, I believe Ford had a partnership with Microsoft at one point. GM hired Google to do so, I don't see any issue with that, but they didn't ask Tesla to build the software for them, neither anybody else, as nobody is licensing Tesla FSD.
Not to mention it requires relatively deep vertical integration of controls for various parts of the car--- while most OEMs farm those various parts out to a bunch of 3rd party suppliers instead.
Also because Tesla doesn't offer the software to anyone else--- and legacy lacks the engineering capability to adapt a version of their own... (VW is the poster child for this- having famously hired 10,000 people to try and make their own car software years ago- and it being an utter disaster of a failure for them.)
But Tesla already stated if higher level HW is needed for FSD owners with HW3 they would provide that hardware to them.
For free.
Just as they already upgraded HW 2.x FSD owners to HW3 previously. For free.
(and if you didn't own FSD, you could still get the HW upgrade you just had to pay for it)
When's the last time you heard of any legacy car maker giving out hardware upgrades to years-newer features in older cars? For any price?
Why Tesla didn't upgrade it yet then? They are 2 years behind, not getting the latest FSD
version, I want to see if and when Tesla will the hardware for all those cars made prior 2023. Btw, it's not free, some paid as high as $15k for so called FSD and never got it.
I believe there is a class action in California to get money back, how much money Tesla spent on FSD so far?
So called Actually Smart Summon just released several months ago, already under NHTSA after 4 crashes, thankfully nobody was injured.
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Why it matters who build the software, if you can't do it yourself, you can always hire somebody, I believe Ford had a partnership with Microsoft at one point. GM hired Google to do so, I don't see any issue with that, but they didn't ask Tesla to build the software for them, neither anybody else, as nobody is licensing Tesla FSD.
Android is open source. No one needs permission to put Android on anything.
IOS is not. Apple doesn't license IOS, nor would they. IOS is built specifically too spec for the hardware that Apple develops - just like Tesla.
You seem to live in a fantasy world where tesla's software could just be slapped onto any car. It can't. Not without rebuilding the car from the ground up. It's not just FSD. It's not just infotainement.
You are WAY oversimplifying the concept of "software" for a vehicle with the rest of your statements. There are dozens of computers in a modern legacy car. Each coming from a different vendor. Each with their own proprietary software. Each that needs to be licensed by the manufacturer to make a single change to.
None of that is true for a Tesla/Rivian/Lucid.
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