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The Smartest House Home Automation: Toggle Dimmer $20, Smart Plug $16, Q Sensor

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  • This is the best price we've seen on the Zooz Z-Wave Long Range Q Sensor (ZSE11), $2 less than an October 2021 Frontpage deal.
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psychicsword
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The biggest difference is that Z-Wave devices don't use the 2.4Ghz spectrum.

In the US it uses 908.42 or 916 MHz and in Europe it uses 868.42 MHz. Generally speaking that means it is less likely to get interfered with by all of your microwaves, wifi devices, and airtags.

Personally I have found the Z-Wave devices in my home inside a dense neighborhood to be more reliable but most devices that are Zigbee work fine as well. All in I have 57 z-wave devices on my network and rarely have issues with them and I have 17 Zigbee devices which are generally fine but I previously had some ultra cheap battery sensors that were flaky. I only have 3 bluetooth switchbot devices, about 3 wifi smart plugs, and 1 wifi ecobee because those tend to be the most problematic for me when scaled out.

If you plan on having a lot of smart devices you will very likely want to avoid Wifi devices for low bandwidth devices like smart switches and basic motion or temperature sensors so you can save the bandwidth and limited number of connections for devices like security cameras, laptops, tvs, speakers, and other such things.
psychicsword
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That is because these are all z-wave devices. You can't really compare the price of a device that requires certified compatibility with something like the loose standard of zigbee and bluetooth devices.
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I've been using zwave for the better part of the last 15 years in home automation. I've tried matter, zigbee, and WiFi. I even started out with the old X10 system (showing my age!) Zwave has by far been the most reliable device and communication protocol I've used. Of course I've have had a lemon or two with cheaper brands I've tried but I don't experience the need to reboot devices that I get with my matter and WiFi stuff. I currently use home assistant and a Raspberry PI5 with mixed networks (matter and Zwave) and still find the Zwave to offer the fastest response and most reliable system. My house even has a few Zwave devices running that I got ~10-12 years ago made by Aeotec. While it may not be the easiest to get into out of the box, it really is good stuff once you get going.

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Jan 14, 2025 03:19 AM
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scraejtpJan 14, 2025 03:19 AM
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Decent deal on the Q sensor, multisensor. The battery life is not reported to be good, but I have a few of these plugged in and have been very reliable and accurate.
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orioncygnusJan 14, 2025 05:11 AM
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How is the smart plug? The ones I've bought from amazon have been garbage (can't connect to app)
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supersizedkidJan 14, 2025 05:14 AM
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Not impressed by the sale, the sale prices on the relays are more than the regular prices on shelly or switchbot
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psychicswordJan 14, 2025 06:21 AM
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Quote from supersizedkid :
Not impressed by the sale, the sale prices on the relays are more than the regular prices on shelly or switchbot
That is because these are all z-wave devices. You can't really compare the price of a device that requires certified compatibility with something like the loose standard of zigbee and bluetooth devices.
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ProtostarJan 14, 2025 06:27 AM
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Quote from psychicsword :
That is because these are all z-wave devices. You can't really compare the price of a device that requires certified compatibility with something like the loose standard of zigbee and bluetooth devices.
Is zwave the best when it comes to smart switches? Why?? (Sorry I'm new with it)
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Is zwave the best when it comes to smart switches? Why?? (Sorry I'm new with it)
The biggest difference is that Z-Wave devices don't use the 2.4Ghz spectrum.

In the US it uses 908.42 or 916 MHz and in Europe it uses 868.42 MHz. Generally speaking that means it is less likely to get interfered with by all of your microwaves, wifi devices, and airtags.

Personally I have found the Z-Wave devices in my home inside a dense neighborhood to be more reliable but most devices that are Zigbee work fine as well. All in I have 57 z-wave devices on my network and rarely have issues with them and I have 17 Zigbee devices which are generally fine but I previously had some ultra cheap battery sensors that were flaky. I only have 3 bluetooth switchbot devices, about 3 wifi smart plugs, and 1 wifi ecobee because those tend to be the most problematic for me when scaled out.

If you plan on having a lot of smart devices you will very likely want to avoid Wifi devices for low bandwidth devices like smart switches and basic motion or temperature sensors so you can save the bandwidth and limited number of connections for devices like security cameras, laptops, tvs, speakers, and other such things.
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Quote from Protostar :
Is zwave the best when it comes to smart switches? Why?? (Sorry I'm new with it)
z-wave operates on the dedicated 908/916MHz (in the US) band, while wifi/bluetooth/zigbee share the same 2.4Ghz frequency and interfere between each other. This becomes a problem in 2.4GHz-busy area with lots of wifi access points, where they compete. Besides, less frequency = longer range.
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Black107Jan 14, 2025 06:58 AM
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Bought a bunch of Zooz stuff from them around BF. The Q sensor is kind of a pain in HomeAssistant so far, I'm running one battery powered and it's super sluggish to report motion. Their mains powered dimmer seems fine so far. Still trying to figure out how to cue automations off the events from the multi remote as it's not straightforward.
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supersizedkidJan 14, 2025 07:04 AM
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Quote from psychicsword :
That is because these are all z-wave devices. You can't really compare the price of a device that requires certified compatibility with something like the loose standard of zigbee and bluetooth devices.
Thanks for the reply. I'm happy with shelly relays, but I guess other people need this.
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Quote from Protostar :
Is zwave the best when it comes to smart switches? Why?? (Sorry I'm new with it)
It's a dedicated protocol, so it excels in transmission, like the other comments have said. Since it only runs locally, it's also more reliable than cloud based smart devices.

If you have a really large space or multiple levels separated by concrete or any of the other conditions where WiFi can struggle, Z-Wave might make sense.

However, it's quickly being outpaced by Matter, both in performance and variety of devices that support it.

Matter operates on WiFi, but isn't constrained by your router or a cloud service. Everything runs locally and many devices can act as range extenders. It's also way cheaper to implement than RF protocols like Z-Wave.

But, if you have a Home Assistant server or Hubitat, you can always mix and match protocols.
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AmusedRoute3819Jan 14, 2025 07:50 AM
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Quote from wherestheanykey :
It's a dedicated protocol, so it excels in transmission, like the other comments have said. Since it only runs locally, it's also more reliable than cloud based smart devices.

If you have a really large space or multiple levels separated by concrete or any of the other conditions where WiFi can struggle, Z-Wave might make sense.

However, it's quickly being outpaced by Matter, both in performance and variety of devices that support it.

Matter operates on WiFi, but isn't constrained by your router or a cloud service. Everything runs locally and many devices can act as range extenders. It's also way cheaper to implement than RF protocols like Z-Wave.

But, if you have a Home Assistant server or Hubitat, you can always mix and match protocols.
Where have you seen good Matter support?

I love the idea of switching to matter, and have provisioned a strong backing of thread border routers to be ready, but haven't seen enough devices yet to warrant switching from my z Wave devices. Or even to stop buying new z Wave devices
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Quote from orioncygnus :
How is the smart plug? The ones I've bought from amazon have been garbage (can't connect to app)
I have three of their smart plugs for a couple months. They work well. No complaints.
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Quote from orioncygnus :
How is the smart plug? The ones I've bought from amazon have been garbage (can't connect to app)
Keep in mind these smart plugs require a hub like zbox, hubitat, smart things, or HA. They don't run via their own app (which is why they're great for real HA).

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Is zwave the best when it comes to smart switches? Why?? (Sorry I'm new with it)
I've been using zwave for the better part of the last 15 years in home automation. I've tried matter, zigbee, and WiFi. I even started out with the old X10 system (showing my age!) Zwave has by far been the most reliable device and communication protocol I've used. Of course I've have had a lemon or two with cheaper brands I've tried but I don't experience the need to reboot devices that I get with my matter and WiFi stuff. I currently use home assistant and a Raspberry PI5 with mixed networks (matter and Zwave) and still find the Zwave to offer the fastest response and most reliable system. My house even has a few Zwave devices running that I got ~10-12 years ago made by Aeotec. While it may not be the easiest to get into out of the box, it really is good stuff once you get going.
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