AM5 CPU socket supporting Ryzen 7000 and 8000 series Desktop Processors (9000 series /w BIOS Update)
2x DDR5 SODIMM Slot, up to 96GB 5200 MT/s
2x PCIe Gen 4x4 M.2 2280 Slot
1x PCIe Gen 3x4 M.2 2280 Slot
1x PCIe Gen 4x1 M.2 2280 Slot
1x M.2 2230 for NIC (Populated)
Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 + Bluetooth 5.2
Front Ports:
2x USB-A 3.2 Gen 1
1x USB-A 2.0
1x 3.5mm Audio Combo Jack
Rear Ports:
1x DC-In (19V 12.63A, 240W)
1x HDMI 2.1
1x DisplayPort 2.0
1x OCulink Dedicated Port
1x USB 4.0 Type-C 40 Gbps (Data + DisplayPort)
1x USB-A 3.2 gen 2 10 Gbps
1x USB-A 2.0
2x Realtek 2.5G RJ-45 supporting link aggregation
Features:
Supports Raphael (Ryzen 7000 desktop), Phoenix (Ryzen 8000 series Desktop) and Granite Ridge (Ryzen 9000 series Desktop) Processor. 9000 series will be supported with BIOS Update
The 3 M.2 PCIe Gen 4 SSD bandwidth depends upon the CPU choice as the Phoenix APUs don't offer as many PCIe Gen 4 lanes as the Ryzen 7000 series Desktop Processors. If 8000 series is used, the 2nd PCIe Gen 4x4 Slot will run at Gen 4x2 speed. Check the link https://www.minisforum.cn/new/sup...ort/faq/41
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AM5 CPU socket supporting Ryzen 7000 and 8000 series Desktop Processors (9000 series /w BIOS Update)
2x DDR5 SODIMM Slot, up to 96GB 5200 MT/s
2x PCIe Gen 4x4 M.2 2280 Slot
1x PCIe Gen 3x4 M.2 2280 Slot
1x PCIe Gen 4x1 M.2 2280 Slot
1x M.2 2230 for NIC (Populated)
Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 + Bluetooth 5.2
Front Ports:
2x USB-A 3.2 Gen 1
1x USB-A 2.0
1x 3.5mm Audio Combo Jack
Rear Ports:
1x DC-In (19V 12.63A, 240W)
1x HDMI 2.1
1x DisplayPort 2.0
1x OCulink Dedicated Port
1x USB 4.0 Type-C 40 Gbps (Data + DisplayPort)
1x USB-A 3.2 gen 2 10 Gbps
1x USB-A 2.0
2x Realtek 2.5G RJ-45 supporting link aggregation
Features:
Supports Raphael (Ryzen 7000 desktop), Phoenix (Ryzen 8000 series Desktop) and Granite Ridge (Ryzen 9000 series Desktop) Processor. 9000 series will be supported with BIOS Update
The 3 M.2 PCIe Gen 4 SSD bandwidth depends upon the CPU choice as the Phoenix APUs don't offer as many PCIe Gen 4 lanes as the Ryzen 7000 series Desktop Processors. If 8000 series is used, the 2nd PCIe Gen 4x4 Slot will run at Gen 4x2 speed. Check the link https://www.minisforum.cn/new/sup...ort/faq/41
Still relatively good, given the processor is 300 alone, 100 extra for ssd, ram and OS (if you need it) is pretty good.
There's a code for 25 off in the notes.
Never said it wasn't, any particular issues with this build from them? Normally when their newer model has so many refurb it's something. But agreed if everything is well with it, great price
Good price for this product but why would you want a 8700g in it? If so just get a mini PC like GMKtec with 7840hs for $300 with 32gb and a cheap ssd. Or pay $400 and get one with 8845hs that also have oculink and whatever this have. IMO this product is only good if you put a real desktop in it such as a 9900x. It cool 12 Core ok but not 9950.
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Good price for this product but why would you want a 8700g in it? If so just get a mini PC like GMKtec with 7840hs for $300 with 32gb and a cheap ssd. Or pay $400 and get one with 8845hs that also have oculink and whatever this have. IMO this product is only good if you put a real desktop in it such as a 9900x. It cool 12 Core ok but not 9950.
This is a different concept where a mobile style Motherboard, with a form factor called STX, is used so that you can upgrade the Processor. For commercial purposes, Dell, HP and Lenovo are using these kind of PCs for a very long time, like Dell Micro, Lenovo Tiny etc. They offer better maintenance and upgradability over soldered Mobile SOC and normally higher number of storage, PCIe lanes as Desktop Processors offer more of those.
For example, if you are not that much concerned about integrated Graphics performance and want to add tons of high speed storage, simply put a Ryzen 7 7000 or 9000 series Desktop CPUs like Ryzen 5 7600 or Ryzen 7 7700, and you will get all the 4 M.2 2280 slots running at Gen 4x4 Speed. Here the concern is not only the absolute performance but the feature set, additional PCIe Lanes, upgradability etc. Say you want to use it in Corporate environment where you need VPro or similar AMD equivalent support, you can just put a Ryzen Pro series CPU on it. These are mainly targeted as Mini Workstation/Homelab servers.
Just check Asrock Deskmini which is available for a very long time for both AMD and Intel Platform and you'll get a good idea.
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still non sense to me. What makes a 8700G over 8845HS? 7840HS and 8845HS are as capable as a 8700G if not more for whatever homelab you need. Is there any home lab setting that only run on desktop CPUs but not their equavelent mobile ones? As far as I know there is no. V Pro is a very niche area that little people use-and even for that there are mini PCs that have v Pros as well, where I have not seen desktop version of vPro myself before. Also, the statement of pcie line is irrelevant. A 8700G only has the same cache and PCIE lane as the mobile ones and mini PCs support 2x or 4x ssd as well.
By all means, using a 8700G in this device is totally non sense to me. For whatever reason you want a 8700G you can be better off with a 7840HS or 8845HS for quite a lot cheaper. if you need 9900x, it does make sense.
still non sense to me. What makes a 8700G over 8845HS? 7840HS and 8845HS are as capable as a 8700G if not more for whatever homelab you need. Is there any home lab setting that only run on desktop CPUs but not their equavelent mobile ones? As far as I know there is no. V Pro is a very niche area that little people use-and even for that there are mini PCs that have v Pros as well, where I have not seen desktop version of vPro myself before. Also, the statement of pcie line is irrelevant. A 8700G only has the same cache and PCIE lane as the mobile ones and mini PCs support 2x or 4x ssd as well.By all means, using a 8700G in this device is totally non sense to me. For whatever reason you want a 8700G you can be better off with a 7840HS or 8845HS for quite a lot cheaper. if you need 9900x, it does make sense.
Again, it's not about the performance. If you don't need or don't understand why people need it, you probably don't need it. One thing guess correct, it's for a niche set of people who would love to get hands on these kind of PCs.
And I still don't get why you're so obsessed with 8700G? Just buy the barebone and add whatever CPU you like.
Looks like the bare bones is sold out. I assume the 32gb RAM takes up all the slots? How many threads does this support? I haven't built a PC in 20 years, but I'm looking to use this for a home lab with proxmox.
Again, it's not about the performance. If you don't need or don't understand why people need it, you probably don't need it. One thing guess correct, it's for a niche set of people who would love to get hands on these kind of PCs.
And I still don't get why you're so obsessed with 8700G? Just buy the barebone and add whatever CPU you like.
I think you are missing a bit of context. The product of this post, refurbished Minisforum MS-A1, is offered 1 of 2 ways: barebones and with a Ryzen 8700G.
I looked up specs and benchmarks, and to be honest, I think I agree with SlickCrayon1512. The 8700G performs very similarly to the 8845HS. If buying a SFF PC, I agree that saving money and getting a 8845HS makes more sense. Or even better would be if Minisforum offered the MS-A1 with the 8845HS.
I agree with the point your are trying to make. The barebones version of the MS-A1 makes a lot of sense. I keep clicking on these posts because it's tempting for my home lab. But, IMO, it seems to make more sense to pair this with either a much lower-end or higher-end CPU than the 8700G.
A lower-end CPU lets you buy a capable system now while having the option to upgrade later. Or you could start with a much more capable CPU to begin with. But the 8700G seems like an expensive CPU to ditch for a future upgrade.
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Still relatively good, given the processor is 300 alone, 100 extra for ssd, ram and OS (if you need it) is pretty good.
There's a code for 25 off in the notes.
There's a code for 25 off in the notes.
Never said it wasn't, any particular issues with this build from them? Normally when their newer model has so many refurb it's something. But agreed if everything is well with it, great price
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For example, if you are not that much concerned about integrated Graphics performance and want to add tons of high speed storage, simply put a Ryzen 7 7000 or 9000 series Desktop CPUs like Ryzen 5 7600 or Ryzen 7 7700, and you will get all the 4 M.2 2280 slots running at Gen 4x4 Speed. Here the concern is not only the absolute performance but the feature set, additional PCIe Lanes, upgradability etc. Say you want to use it in Corporate environment where you need VPro or similar AMD equivalent support, you can just put a Ryzen Pro series CPU on it. These are mainly targeted as Mini Workstation/Homelab servers.
Just check Asrock Deskmini which is available for a very long time for both AMD and Intel Platform and you'll get a good idea.
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By all means, using a 8700G in this device is totally non sense to me. For whatever reason you want a 8700G you can be better off with a 7840HS or 8845HS for quite a lot cheaper. if you need 9900x, it does make sense.
Different needs man….
And I still don't get why you're so obsessed with 8700G? Just buy the barebone and add whatever CPU you like.
And I still don't get why you're so obsessed with 8700G? Just buy the barebone and add whatever CPU you like.
I looked up specs and benchmarks, and to be honest, I think I agree with SlickCrayon1512. The 8700G performs very similarly to the 8845HS. If buying a SFF PC, I agree that saving money and getting a 8845HS makes more sense. Or even better would be if Minisforum offered the MS-A1 with the 8845HS.
I agree with the point your are trying to make. The barebones version of the MS-A1 makes a lot of sense. I keep clicking on these posts because it's tempting for my home lab. But, IMO, it seems to make more sense to pair this with either a much lower-end or higher-end CPU than the 8700G.
A lower-end CPU lets you buy a capable system now while having the option to upgrade later. Or you could start with a much more capable CPU to begin with. But the 8700G seems like an expensive CPU to ditch for a future upgrade.
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