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Today 03:12 PM
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GeoffreyK24Today 03:12 PM
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Personally, I would recommend avoiding Lenovo Android products like the plague. They have a long track record of developing and manufacturing really compelling Android products at really good prices and then pretty much abandoning them by way of support and security updates. Updates that are pushed have a tendency to pick and choose which security holes to patch and ignore the rest. Their own forums are filled with people who went in-depth analyzing the logs of what Google provides to Lenovo and then what Lenovo actually chose to update. Lenovo reps talked around it and ignored them constantly.

I really like a lot of their products and have several Chromebooks by Lenovo but companies who are licensed to use Android are basically in charge of how they push their security patches and system updates and Lenovo has proven for years that they aren't willing to respect their customers enough to follow up with appropriate support in this way. Until they can prove over a good length of time that they have changed the way they handle their android products, I won't let myself buy them. I'm not judging anyone that does. I'm just sharing why I decided to stop.
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sr27Today 03:38 PM
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Quote from GeoffreyK24 :
Personally, I would recommend avoiding Lenovo Android products like the plague. They have a long track record of developing and manufacturing really compelling Android products at really good prices and then pretty much abandoning them by way of support and security updates. Updates that are pushed have a tendency to pick and choose which security holes to patch and ignore the rest. Their own forums are filled with people who went in-depth analyzing the logs of what Google provides to Lenovo and then what Lenovo actually chose to update. Lenovo reps talked around it and ignored them constantly.

I really like a lot of their products and have several Chromebooks by Lenovo but companies who are licensed to use Android are basically in charge of how they push their security patches and system updates and Lenovo has proven for years that they aren't willing to respect their customers enough to follow up with appropriate support in this way. Until they can prove over a good length of time that they have changed the way they handle their android products, I won't let myself buy them. I'm not judging anyone that does. I'm just sharing why I decided to stop.
I think the blame is with Google. Why are they not taking any responsibility and pushing it all down to the hardware manufacturers?Microsoft is not saying dell or hp or ASUS gets to choose which updates to push right? I think this should be the same. Standardize the fing hardware config and start pushing the updates. Stop with this Wild West madness in the name of 'accessibility'. It's just producing ewaste. Nobody is benefiting.
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joshuaNHToday 03:43 PM
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Quote from GeoffreyK24 :
Personally, I would recommend avoiding Lenovo Android products like the plague. They have a long track record of developing and manufacturing really compelling Android products at really good prices and then pretty much abandoning them by way of support and security updates. Updates that are pushed have a tendency to pick and choose which security holes to patch and ignore the rest. Their own forums are filled with people who went in-depth analyzing the logs of what Google provides to Lenovo and then what Lenovo actually chose to update. Lenovo reps talked around it and ignored them constantly.

I really like a lot of their products and have several Chromebooks by Lenovo but companies who are licensed to use Android are basically in charge of how they push their security patches and system updates and Lenovo has proven for years that they aren't willing to respect their customers enough to follow up with appropriate support in this way. Until they can prove over a good length of time that they have changed the way they handle their android products, I won't let myself buy them. I'm not judging anyone that does. I'm just sharing why I decided to stop.
no matter how bad you claim Lenovo is... Samsung is so much worse.
Lenovo's Advantage: Lenovo uses a version of Android that is much closer to "Stock" (Google's original version). Because they have fewer custom features, they have fewer proprietary bugs to fix.
From looking back in the last year... it is Samsung that has screwed up over and over and over and over again.... That is, this Lenovo tablet was safer to have then any Samsung Tablet due to multiple vulnerabilities... and ones that are still going on.
AND this is Lenovo's lowest level tablet... they put more time and effort on their higher end tablets.. like every other manufacturer.
Look, if you are worried... get yourself a Pixel, GOogle just added two years of more security downloads.
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joshuaNHToday 03:48 PM
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Quote from sr27 :
I think the blame is with Google. Why are they not taking any responsibility and pushing it all down to the hardware manufacturers?Microsoft is not saying dell or hp or ASUS gets to choose which updates to push right? I think this should be the same. Standardize the fing hardware config and start pushing the updates. Stop with this Wild West madness in the name of 'accessibility'. It's just producing ewaste. Nobody is benefiting.
With every manufacturer putting on their flare such as Samsung's One UI... what you just said becomes impossible. But, yes... this is a huge problem with Android. Perhaps, this will be solved with the new google OS which is expected in the next two years.

I believe the closer to google's OS the better or at least the less chance of getting hacked.

Right now... the only device that gets ALL the updates is a GOOGLE DEVICE. I personally can not trust or rely on any manufacture with IMHO... Samsung being the worst of the bunch.

I think this is a great starter tablet.
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GeoffreyK24Today 04:12 PM
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Quote from sr27 :
I think the blame is with Google. Why are they not taking any responsibility and pushing it all down to the hardware manufacturers?Microsoft is not saying dell or hp or ASUS gets to choose which updates to push right? I think this should be the same. Standardize the fing hardware config and start pushing the updates. Stop with this Wild West madness in the name of 'accessibility'. It's just producing ewaste. Nobody is benefiting.
What you are talking about is Apple lol. Why would Google license other brands to use Android operating system if they could only make a Pixel phone?
Google provides all companies who license Android with complete reports of vulnerabilities and version updates for them to handle. They provide a UI that allows for extreme variation in hardware and skins which is why there are such vast differences in brands and models. That amount of variability means EVERYONE is benefiting because it creates competition within the ecosystem as different brands/models push out newer capabilities. Even Apple benefits from this as Apple and Android have both progressed off of the other's advances. When a company develops a phone that folds or has crazy camera hardware that pushes the limits of what was thought possible for a phone, the company who manufactured that specific device has to be the one to implement any updates because they have a level of customization that requires special attention to cater to their UI and hardware. That also means that they can choose to be like Lenovo has been and put out great products that have little support on the back end. It is up to the consumer to buy products from companies that will maintain devices their customers have chosen to invest in. Sometimes, people simply don't know this exists and it might take one post on Slickdeals for them to be made aware so they can decide for themselves whether or not they will buy a product like this or not.
Google maintains the ability to control updates for Chrome which is why those devices are constantly getting updates right away.
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GeoffreyK24Today 04:20 PM
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Quote from joshuaNH :
no matter how bad you claim Lenovo is... Samsung is so much worse. Lenovo's Advantage: Lenovo uses a version of Android that is much closer to "Stock" (Google's original version). Because they have fewer custom features, they have fewer proprietary bugs to fix.From looking back in the last year... it is Samsung that has screwed up over and over and over and over again.... That is, this Lenovo tablet was safer to have then any Samsung Tablet due to multiple vulnerabilities... and ones that are still going on. AND this is Lenovo's lowest level tablet... they put more time and effort on their higher end tablets.. like every other manufacturer. Look, if you are worried... get yourself a Pixel, GOogle just added two years of more security downloads.
I'm honestly not sure what you are so fired up about but I'm also not convinced you really know what you are talking about. The fact that you stated that this is Lenovo's "lowest level tablet" is wildly incorrect and further justifies my hesitancy in giving your claims any credibility.
I won't claim to be an industry insider and up to date on every android tablet development from every major player but the issues with Lenovo are ones that have plagued their android products for years. As for telling me, "look, if you are worried... get yourself....", thank you for your permission to buy what I'm comfortable with lol. I'm not sure that was ever a factor in question here but I'm glad we are on the same page.
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GeoffreyK24Today 04:37 PM
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Quote from joshuaNH :
With every manufacturer putting on their flare such as Samsung's One UI... what you just said becomes impossible. But, yes... this is a huge problem with Android. Perhaps, this will be solved with the new google OS which is expected in the next two years. I believe the closer to google's OS the better or at least the less chance of getting hacked. Right now... the only device that gets ALL the updates is a GOOGLE DEVICE. I personally can not trust or rely on any manufacture with IMHO... Samsung being the worst of the bunch. I think this is a great starter tablet.
I'm not sure where you are drawing these conclusions from regarding Samsung being one of the worst but they have actually gone from having a poor update reliability to being one of the fastest and most reliable brands to update their devices over the last decade. It was a huge (and well deserved) criticism of the brand in years past and it is actually continuously praised amongst tech enthusiasts that they put so much energy into turning that around in such a powerful and effective way. As for what I had said being impossible because of variability, I'm not sure which aspect of what I actually said you are referring to. If you mean that it isn't possible for manufacturers to push updates and security patches for their UI that covers what Google gives them in their reports, it is entirely possible. It is simply a question of how much resources a company wants to invest in implementing those updates into their devices. They have to use the information to cater those patches to their individual UI just the same as they did when they made the original version that the product released with. That takes time and energy. Lenovo chooses to develop new products that sell more than support the devices appropriately that they have already released. That's all.
I don't agree that variability of models and brand innovation is a "huge" problem with Android as much as a natural development of an OS that is made this way. It is up to the consumer to educate themselves and stay aware of what the brands are doing to support that customer's investment in their technology just like any other major product out there. If you have a choice to buy a car from a company known to have vulnerabilities and safety issues just because they are less expensive, that is your right. The answer will never be to make every vehicle nearly identical. That's not how companies operate and it isn't how innovation flourishes. Idealism is not always realistic. However, the vanilla Android OS is always under the hood just like their are manufacturing laws associated with safety requirements to make a vehicle street legal.

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