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Microsoft Surface Pro Copilot+ PC Bundle - 13" OLED PixelSense Flow 2880 x 1920 Touchscreen-Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite (12 core) Processor - Windows 11 - Graphite $999.99 -Costco

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Today 05:51 PM
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HappyMint802Today 05:51 PM
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Bought this but ended up returning it, it's been out for a while so I was hoping it had most of the issues ironed out but unfortunately not.

The OLED isn't the highest quality I've seen, it looked grainy to me and if you look online people will talk about it. The argument is always "it's not THAT noticeable" but at $1k+ you're still getting the lowest quality OLED they can find and it really ruins the display to see grain uniformly everywhere.

Second thing and the main reason I returned it, there were some critical software that just simply could not run on it. There was no ARM windows version of it and it made it not useful to have this. The most common complaint is exactly how it can't run some critical software, I thought it would be like Mac where it would just run but translated, it refuses to run it.

Finally it's just not that powerful. The jump from intel to M1 was substantial and a huge upgrade but this doesn't feel that much more powerful than the intel version, the battery is a bit better but not like night and day.

Overall I'd give this a 5/10, it's just too expensive even on sale to have a low quality display, might not run things you need it to, and isn't really that much more powerful
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PlengKellyToday 08:36 PM
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Quote from HappyMint802 :
Bought this but ended up returning it, it's been out for a while so I was hoping it had most of the issues ironed out but unfortunately not.

The OLED isn't the highest quality I've seen, it looked grainy to me and if you look online people will talk about it. The argument is always "it's not THAT noticeable" but at $1k+ you're still getting the lowest quality OLED they can find and it really ruins the display to see grain uniformly everywhere.

Second thing and the main reason I returned it, there were some critical software that just simply could not run on it. There was no ARM windows version of it and it made it not useful to have this. The most common complaint is exactly how it can't run some critical software, I thought it would be like Mac where it would just run but translated, it refuses to run it.

Finally it's just not that powerful. The jump from intel to M1 was substantial and a huge upgrade but this doesn't feel that much more powerful than the intel version, the battery is a bit better but not like night and day.

Overall I'd give this a 5/10, it's just too expensive even on sale to have a low quality display, might not run things you need it to, and isn't really that much more powerful
Thank you for the insight. I've debating on this and Zenbook S. Think I'm gonna go with Zenbook and stick with intel for now.
Today 09:16 PM
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JoeGerToday 09:16 PM
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Quote from HappyMint802 :
Bought this but ended up returning it, it's been out for a while so I was hoping it had most of the issues ironed out but unfortunately not.

The OLED isn't the highest quality I've seen, it looked grainy to me and if you look online people will talk about it. The argument is always "it's not THAT noticeable" but at $1k+ you're still getting the lowest quality OLED they can find and it really ruins the display to see grain uniformly everywhere.

Second thing and the main reason I returned it, there were some critical software that just simply could not run on it. There was no ARM windows version of it and it made it not useful to have this. The most common complaint is exactly how it can't run some critical software, I thought it would be like Mac where it would just run but translated, it refuses to run it.

Finally it's just not that powerful. The jump from intel to M1 was substantial and a huge upgrade but this doesn't feel that much more powerful than the intel version, the battery is a bit better but not like night and day.

Overall I'd give this a 5/10, it's just too expensive even on sale to have a low quality display, might not run things you need it to, and isn't really that much more powerful
Which specific software did not run? Did you try before or after the AVX/AVX2 CPU support software update?
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fc528eToday 09:49 PM
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I bought a certified refurb for $650 last fall and have unexpectedly loved the machine. Thought the 16GB of RAM would be an issue but it truly seems to work quite well using the pagefile. Now, I'm not doing video transcoding or intense CAD work but I'm out of control with browser tabs, RDP to another machine, and slice 3D prints at the same time with zero issues. I also haven't had app compatibility issues thus far coming into Windows on ARM quite a bit after release. Battery life is also pretty splendid.

It's unintentionally been fantastic for YouTube viewing and the speakers are absolutely amazing given there are only 2/the size of the thing.

If you have the right use case, it's not a bad machine though $1k is maybe a little high.
Today 09:50 PM
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desidude2000Today 09:50 PM
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Also interested in knowing which major software packages are unavailable or unusable on ARM Windows. Thanks
Today 09:55 PM
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BlindmanToday 09:55 PM
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Quote from JoeGer :
Which specific software did not run? Did you try before or after the AVX/AVX2 CPU support software update?
I have one for work. Originally it was to go to one of the managers but one of the backup solution wasn't supported. So it was a no go, so I took possession of it and been running it. So far only azure backup isn't supported, beyond that haven't really run into problems. But funny enough if I am traveling I make sure I bring an Intel laptop with it just in case. But for daily use, I don't think typical end user is going to feel a difference.Battery life is a lot better.
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ko1790Today 10:19 PM
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copilot dog shit.

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James_bond003Today 10:23 PM
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Fkuc this pedo Bill Gates & his products.
Today 10:41 PM
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JoeGerToday 10:41 PM
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Quote from ko1790 :
copilot dog shit.
Intel and AMD are co-pilot now too. All new laptops are co-pilot. It's just branding used to indicate the laptop has an NPU capable of 40 TOPS or more, which all new laptops models do.
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Today 10:44 PM
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JoeGerToday 10:44 PM
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Quote from Blindman :
I have one for work. Originally it was to go to one of the managers but one of the backup solution wasn't supported. So it was a no go, so I took possession of it and been running it. So far only azure backup isn't supported, beyond that haven't really run into problems. But funny enough if I am traveling I make sure I bring an Intel laptop with it just in case. But for daily use, I don't think typical end user is going to feel a difference.Battery life is a lot better.
Yeah, anything that runs at kernel level such as device drivers and some low level backup solutions can't be emulated. Hasleo Backup Suite is a free backup solution that has a Windows ARM64 native install. Macrium Reflect X (subscription based now) is a commercial backup solution that's also Windows ARM native now.
Today 10:48 PM
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BlindmanToday 10:48 PM
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Quote from JoeGer :
Yeah, anything that runs at kernel level such as device drivers and some low level backup solutions can't be emulated. Hasleo Backup Suite is a free backup solution that has a Windows ARM64 native install. Macrium Reflect X (subscription based now) is a commercial backup solution that's also Windows ARM native now.
Yeah again we use azure backup but we got one of these to test and turn out it didn't play with what we had. But for end user I honestly doubt they will notice any difference. But I think the 2nd gen Qualcomm are releasing soon. So maybe the price drop here.
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JoeGerToday 10:50 PM
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Quote from fc528e :
I bought a certified refurb for $650 last fall and have unexpectedly loved the machine. Thought the 16GB of RAM would be an issue but it truly seems to work quite well using the pagefile. Now, I'm not doing video transcoding or intense CAD work but I'm out of control with browser tabs, RDP to another machine, and slice 3D prints at the same time with zero issues. I also haven't had app compatibility issues thus far coming into Windows on ARM quite a bit after release. Battery life is also pretty splendid.

It's unintentionally been fantastic for YouTube viewing and the speakers are absolutely amazing given there are only 2/the size of the thing.

If you have the right use case, it's not a bad machine though $1k is maybe a little high.
You can actually do hardware video encoding if the software supports Windows Media Foundation. Handbrake already does, as does certain builds of ffmpeg. There's an open OBS pull request right now in testing where they're testing Windows Media Foundation support: https://github.com/obsproject/obs...pull/11993

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