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B-Stock Condition: Ascend Acoustics CMB-170SE Bookshelf Loudspeakers (Pair)
+ S/H$250
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Amir's claim that the 170SE is "likely to sound bright due to boosted 2-10kHz" is utter hogwash --- I detest bright speakers and have never found ANY of the SE series to remotely fit that description---he's conflating "rising treble response as shown in amplitude measurements" (the technical usage) with "harsh/shouty/irritating aggressive treble" (the popular usage, often applied to the likes of entry level Klipsch and Def Tech) on purpose.
For those of you who are not familiar with ASR, Amir's methodology is to take Klippel measurements and analyze them FIRST and then listen to a single speaker in MONO to confirm the conclusions that he has drawn from the measurement graphs. It's very amusing that an entire website and business that claims to be based on "Science" and constantly rails against the effect of "sighted bias" when people review speakers based on subjective listening alone, does not take into account the effect of CONFIRMATION bias in following such a sequence.
In contrast, Erin Harding (google Erin's Audio Corner for website and YT videos) listens to the speakers he reviews FIRST (and in stereo), and then looks at the measurements and offers his commentary on how/where they coincide with his subjective impressions. This is clearly the more sensible approach, and as a result Erin has steadily overtaken Amir as the most cited measurements-based speaker reviewer. (The two originally collaborated on ASR, but some drama ensued leading to a break which many surmise might have been caused by Amir feeling threatened by Erin's ascendancy.)
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$250 is about right, that's what you should expect.
Maybe near field music listening, will definitely need a sub though.
Decent surrounds for HT.
This is like their BMW 3 series lol.
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I would not chose these however to each their own.
The company does make some great products at higher price points.
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Amir's claim that the 170SE is "likely to sound bright due to boosted 2-10kHz" is utter hogwash --- I detest bright speakers and have never found ANY of the SE series to remotely fit that description---he's conflating "rising treble response as shown in amplitude measurements" (the technical usage) with "harsh/shouty/irritating aggressive treble" (the popular usage, often applied to the likes of entry level Klipsch and Def Tech) on purpose.
For those of you who are not familiar with ASR, Amir's methodology is to take Klippel measurements and analyze them FIRST and then listen to a single speaker in MONO to confirm the conclusions that he has drawn from the measurement graphs. It's very amusing that an entire website and business that claims to be based on "Science" and constantly rails against the effect of "sighted bias" when people review speakers based on subjective listening alone, does not take into account the effect of CONFIRMATION bias in following such a sequence.
In contrast, Erin Harding (google Erin's Audio Corner for website and YT videos) listens to the speakers he reviews FIRST (and in stereo), and then looks at the measurements and offers his commentary on how/where they coincide with his subjective impressions. This is clearly the more sensible approach, and as a result Erin has steadily overtaken Amir as the most cited measurements-based speaker reviewer. (The two originally collaborated on ASR, but some drama ensued leading to a break which many surmise might have been caused by Amir feeling threatened by Erin's ascendancy.)
Amir's claim that the 170SE is "likely to sound bright due to boosted 2-10kHz" is utter hogwash --- I detest bright speakers and have never found ANY of the SE series to remotely fit that description---he's conflating "rising treble response as shown in amplitude measurements" (the technical usage) with "harsh/shouty/irritating aggressive treble" (the popular usage, often applied to the likes of entry level Klipsch and Def Tech) on purpose.
For those of you who are not familiar with ASR, Amir's methodology is to take Klippel measurements and analyze them FIRST and then listen to a single speaker in MONO to confirm the conclusions that he has drawn from the measurement graphs. It's very amusing that an entire website and business that claims to be based on "Science" and constantly rails against the effect of "sighted bias" when people review speakers based on subjective listening alone, does not take into account the effect of CONFIRMATION bias in following such a sequence.
In contrast, Erin Harding (google Erin's Audio Corner for website and YT videos) listens to the speakers he reviews FIRST (and in stereo), and then looks at the measurements and offers his commentary on how/where they coincide with his subjective impressions. This is clearly the more sensible approach, and as a result Erin has steadily overtaken Amir as the most cited measurements-based speaker reviewer. (The two originally collaborated on ASR, but some drama ensued leading to a break which many surmise might have been caused by Amir feeling threatened by Erin's ascendancy.)
Thanks for the heads up about Erin, I'll look him up. I like a mix of science and objectivity, and he seems right up my alley.
Thanks for the heads up about Erin, I'll look him up. I like a mix of science and objectivity, and he seems right up my alley.
Never heard of him, watching his video right now!! Love it already
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