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Professional photographer here. Thought I'd chime in on the banter:
Nikon and Canon (and Sony, etc) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Go for the fit, not the brand.
Also, if you're thinking about entering the DSLR world, start cheap on the body and $$ on the lens. Resale value on lens are much better (less upgrades) versus the body (upgrades every 2-4 years).
It's extremely common to buy used in the photography world. If you don't want to, thank you -- when you sell your gear, you took the financial hit for the rest of us. We appreciate you!
And Canon refurbished is akin to Bose, Valve, and Apple's refurbished -- just as good as new.
Canon refurbished cameras are presented as a strong value for getting into DSLR or full frame Canon gear, with bodies arriving looking like new and backed by a good warranty. The T7 kit is called out as a solid starter camera, and there is also a two lens bundle for $50 more. Canon EF lenses are highlighted as especially easy to mix and match across bodies, which makes the system appealing for building a lens collection. The main caution is that newer mirrorless bodies and RF lenses can offer better autofocus, smaller kits, and more future proofing, so the older DSLR route is best when price and lens flexibility matter most.
DSLR beginners who want a low-risk entry and plan to spend more on lenses because refurbished Canon DSLRs can arrive looking like new with a good warranty, and EF lenses are generally easier to use across bodies since most EF lenses made since 1986 work on EF mount.
Canon full-frame mirrorless starters who are okay with older-but-capable gear and want to focus budget on lenses because commenters say the refurbished EOS RP at its price point delivers excellent photos and is "future proof" with RF lenses, even if it's not as fast as newer options.
People buying for a specific "learn and shoot" use case (like eBay listings or casual practice) because one commenter said their refurbished T7 arrived looking like new and they consider it a great camera for eBay.
Photographers who want to keep costs down by buying a cheaper body and investing in glass because a professional commenter recommends starting cheap on the body and spending more on the lens, since lens resale value is typically better than body resale value.
Canon shooters who want straightforward lens compatibility without lots of adapter/compatibility checking because commenters note Canon EF lenses are usually plug-and-play on EF mount, and Canon EF-to-RF has very few edge cases compared with other systems.
Buyers who need cutting-edge performance like high FPS/buffer shooting because one commenter notes that if you want to shoot 30-40 frames per second with a half-second pre-shutterpress buffer, you won't get that with DSLRs.
People who assume physical mount fit guarantees lens compatibility because commenters warn that "it fits on the physical mount" doesn't mean it works with the camera, and that exceptions can be significant (they cite compatibility-list issues with other mounts as an example).
Shoppers who want lots of cheap native lens options for future expansion because one commenter argues Canon's RF mount is more limiting for inexpensive lens choices compared with Sony/Nikon ecosystems.
Buyers who are specifically trying to maximize value versus newer mirrorless bodies when budget is tight because one commenter says the refurbished EOS RP can be a hard sell at around $550 compared with newer/cheaper alternatives like the R50 at ~$450 with better focusing tech.
A refurbished DSLR can be a strong beginner buy if you want a cheap body and inexpensive EF glass, especially when you do not need high FPS or the newest autofocus tech. Mirrorless brings newer features and smaller bodies in many cases, but the comments note that DSLR image quality is still very good for most users.
Canon EF is broadly compatible: most EF lenses made since 1986 work on EF-mount film SLRs and DSLRs, and EF-to-RF adapters usually have few edge-case exceptions. That makes Canon a simpler ecosystem than Nikon or Sony when you want to reuse lenses across bodies.
Canon refurbished listings include a warranty, and the cameras are reported to arrive looking like new with no issues. That makes them a safer way to buy used gear if you want lower pricing without taking on unknown wear.
Yes. There is a T7 kit with two lenses for $50 more than the $269 single-lens kit, which gives you a broader starter setup without jumping to a different body.
Professional photographer here. Thought I'd chime in on the banter:Nikon and Canon (and Sony, etc) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Go for the fit, not the brand.Also, if you're thinking about entering the DSLR world, start cheap on the body and $$ on the lens. Resale value on lens are much better (less upgrades) versus the body (upgrades every 2-4 years).
Not relevant to this convo at all, but was looking at the Sony A6100 for a beginner mirrorless camera, but also considering other options. Any thoughts on that choice? Was also considering the EOS R50. Would be mostly landscape photography
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It's extremely common to buy used in the photography world. If you don't want to, thank you -- when you sell your gear, you took the financial hit for the rest of us. We appreciate you!
And Canon refurbished is akin to Bose, Valve, and Apple's refurbished -- just as good as new.
Professional photographer here. Thought I'd chime in on the banter:
Nikon and Canon (and Sony, etc) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Go for the fit, not the brand.
Also, if you're thinking about entering the DSLR world, start cheap on the body and $$ on the lens. Resale value on lens are much better (less upgrades) versus the body (upgrades every 2-4 years).
I disagree on several points.
The "brand" is very important. If you're looking for "just good enough to meet a need, no future expansion", sure, just get whatever works for you at a desired price point. But if future growth is of any concern, I wouldn't go NEAR several mounts or brands -- like Micro 4/3rds. Nothing technically wrong with it (I even like it)...but it's languishing.
Canon has locked down their RF lens mount. If having a variety of cheap options is important, you won't find it there. Go with Sony or Nikon -- Sony has tons of lenses to choose from, first and third parties.
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I would NOT suggest someone just starting to get a DSLR today. We're in a Mirrorless world. It's like saying "you want to get into transportation? great! get a horse instead of a car." The exception is if the person if FULLY made aware, both eyes wide open, about the limitations and tradeoffs of DSLRs. And if they get something dirt cheap to "learn" on.
And like I said, if they do get something like that, they're fully aware they're using 10-20 year old tech. Which is OK, as long as their expectations are adjusted accordingly.
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As for lenses, sure -- in the DSLR world, there are some real good bangers available for cheap since everyone is going to mirrorless. But then again, most budget and mid-tier mirrorless lenses are actually pretty great -- sometimes outperforming their older brethren. (The new Canon "budget" RF 28-70 f/2.8 IS STM lens for ~$1000 is equivalent or slightly better than the older EF 24-70 f/2.8 L lens. Same with the $450 RF 45mm f/1.2 STM and the older EF 50mm f/1.2 L.)
What I'm saying is -- glass is becoming less of a thing, unless you're going to the ultra-high-end of spending $2k+ for a lens. Sure, there are hidden gems and some stinkers (Canon's 75-300 is still laughable, RF or EF), but the overall trend is mirrorless glass is very much improved.
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And for upgrading a body every 2-4 years? Most of the time you're keeping a body for 10+ years. Unless you're making money from photography, I don't know of anyone who upgrades as frequently as that, like a cellular telephone handheld.
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It's extremely common to buy used in the photography world. If you don't want to, thank you -- when you sell your gear, you took the financial hit for the rest of us. We appreciate you!
And Canon refurbished is akin to Bose, Valve, and Apple's refurbished -- just as good as new.
My first Canon DSLR was a refurb. Was in like-new condition and served me well for 20+ years.
I gave up with Nikon a long time ago. You need a CrackerJack (tm) Secret Decoder Ring just to figure out if a lens will work with your body.DSLR era -- yes, it's all F-mount. It'll fit. But will it work? Well it depends on FF vs Crop Sensor (that's fine, all other makers have that too). Then the motor for the focus drive. Then if it's an advanced chipset or not. And then if there's a one-off exception for THAT lens on THAT body. Sigh.(and the Nikon "community" is about as.... toxic as they come. They'll openly berate you --> "Oh, you're using a 7 year old body. That's ancient. What did you EXPECT was going to happen? Do you really expect these newer BETTER lenses to be compatible, to cater to your luddite needs?")Canon's EF? Pretty much any lens made since 1986 will work JUST FINE on EF mount -- film slr or DSLR. There are exceptions, typically with Film SLR EF budget third-party lenses on newer DSLR bodies....or using the absolute newest third party lenses on older bodies. (see a trend here?)As for mirrorless, same applies for Nikon. You need to validate each config -- lens + adapter (there are several kinds, smart or dumb adapters) + body -- just to see if it works or not. And you have a variety of settings you need to change for each lens in the body to get it to work. To be fair, it's even worse for Sony between their Minolta/Sony DSLR lenses being adapted to their modern mirrorless line. So many adapters, so many exceptions. Canon? Very few edge case exceptions with their EF to RF adapter. Most EF lenses will perform even better on an RF body than a DSLR body.That's why I like Canon so much -- it's really easy to use. The only major thing that's a bit left out is their EF-M (first-gen mirrorless)....you can adapt EF to it, but can't bring EF-M anywhere else. But there are so few decent EF-M lenses, so you're not missing out on much.
Canon has had 4 lens mounts in the time Nikon has had two. Talk about disparity.
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I disagree on several points.The "brand" is very important. If you're looking for "just good enough to meet a need, no future expansion", sure, just get whatever works for you at a desired price point. But if future growth is of any concern, I wouldn't go NEAR several mounts or brands -- like Micro 4/3rds. Nothing technically wrong with it (I even like it)...but it's languishing. Canon has locked down their RF lens mount. If having a variety of cheap options is important, you won't find it there. Go with Sony or Nikon -- Sony has tons of lenses to choose from, first and third parties.-----------I would NOT suggest someone just starting to get a DSLR today. We're in a Mirrorless world. It's like saying "you want to get into transportation? great! get a horse instead of a car." The exception is if the person if FULLY made aware, both eyes wide open, about the limitations and tradeoffs of DSLRs. And if they get something dirt cheap to "learn" on.And like I said, if they do get something like that, they're fully aware they're using 10-20 year old tech. Which is OK, as long as their expectations are adjusted accordingly. ----------As for lenses, sure -- in the DSLR world, there are some real good bangers available for cheap since everyone is going to mirrorless. But then again, most budget and mid-tier mirrorless lenses are actually pretty great -- sometimes outperforming their older brethren. (The new Canon "budget" RF 28-70 f/2.8 IS STM lens for ~$1000 is equivalent or slightly better than the older EF 24-70 f/2.8 L lens. Same with the $450 RF 45mm f/1.2 STM and the older EF 50mm f/1.2 L.)What I'm saying is -- glass is becoming less of a thing, unless you're going to the ultra-high-end of spending $2k+ for a lens. Sure, there are hidden gems and some stinkers (Canon's 75-300 is still laughable, RF or EF), but the overall trend is mirrorless glass is very much improved. -----------And for upgrading a body every 2-4 years? Most of the time you're keeping a body for 10+ years. Unless you're making money from photography, I don't know of anyone who upgrades as frequently as that, like a cellular telephone handheld.
DSLRs are cheap and take just as good of photos as mirrorless. Mirrorless sucks batteries. EVFs still aren't up to snuff not matter what fangirls like you say. DSLR lenses are cheaper. Photography is the user, not the tool. I hope your photos aren't as insufferable as you.
Canon has had 4 lens mounts in the time Nikon has had two. Talk about disparity.
Let me say what I said above, just one more time -- just because it fits on the physical mount, doesn't mean it works with the camera.
Nikon has the F-mount. But you REALLY need to read the compatibility list and exceptions. It might as well have been four or five different mounts. It probably should have been.
DSLRs are cheap and take just as good of photos as mirrorless. Mirrorless sucks batteries. EVFs still aren't up to snuff not matter what fangirls like you say. DSLR lenses are cheaper. Photography is the user, not the tool. I hope your photos aren't as insufferable as you.
Some valid points were made in that comment. Why are you getting personal?
Sony/Nikon have more lenses, RF lens options are lmited. I like Lumix cameras.
Let me say what I said above, just one more time -- just because it fits on the physical mount, doesn't mean it works with the camera.Nikon has the F-mount. But you REALLY need to read the compatibility list and exceptions. It might as well have been four or five different mounts. It probably should have been.
If you have a dslr from the last 15 years any Nikon lens made in the last 40 years will work 100% of the time. Even you said bodies last 10 years.
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DSLRs are cheap and take just as good of photos as mirrorless. Mirrorless sucks batteries. EVFs still aren't up to snuff not matter what fangirls like you say. DSLR lenses are cheaper. Photography is the user, not the tool. I hope your photos aren't as insufferable as you.
"DSLRs are cheap and take just as good of photos as mirrorless." --> That depends. If I want to shoot 30-40 frames per second, with a half second pre-shutterpress buffer, then you won't get that with DSLRs. The absolute best I think was the 1DX mk III's 20fps, and that was probably with the "live view" mode turned on...aka Junior Mirrorless.
"Mirrorless sucks batteries." Yup, no denying that. When you're shooting with a miniature computer on-board, you need the juice. So you nab a few extra batteries and bring along a USB battery pack + usb-c cable. It's no different with mobile telephones and laptops.
"EVFs still aren't up to snuff not matter what fangirls like you say." No argument there. They've gotten better in recent iterations, but they absolutely can improve. They're still better than having a mirror flap around, especially for longer exposures. And it's nice having 100% viewfinder coverage even on the most basic mirrorless cameras -- something that was exclusively reserved for pro-tier DSLRs.
"DSLR lenses are cheaper." --> Kinda? That's like saying motorcycles are cheaper than cars. You can get cheap cars and expensive bikes...and vice versa. There are some nice deals to be had with DSLR lenses, if you know where to look. But even those prices have been climbing over the last two years, such that mid-tier RF equivalents are becoming economical. And adapting older, heavier glass that might not have IS (or as advanced IS)....that has its own issues.
"I hope your photos aren't as insufferable as you." --> You could've been a little bit nicer. You were entirely fine up until this, which came entirely out of left field. No reason to make this personal -- it's just cameras. I hope you have a better day than you deserve.
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Some valid points were made in that comment. Why are you getting personal? Sony/Nikon have more lenses, RF lens options are lmited. I like Lumix cameras.
Because I am Nikon. No. Because shouting like your word is gospel does nothing to further photography. Every camera system is good in the right hands. Life is complex. Berating a brand over lens comparability over 40 years of autofocus functions is a stupid way to push someone to a certain brand. They're probably a paid shill anyways. Why do I care?
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Holy smokes why is the photography community so toxic lol. This is a thread about an old entry level Rebel T7. Those of you who feed your families by taking pictures, this clearly ain't for you. I get the loyalty but no need to put someone else down who uses another competing brand. You size queens would join ranks and laugh at me for rolling OM System and m4/3 when I travel I bet haha
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Nikon and Canon (and Sony, etc) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Go for the fit, not the brand.
Also, if you're thinking about entering the DSLR world, start cheap on the body and $$ on the lens. Resale value on lens are much better (less upgrades) versus the body (upgrades every 2-4 years).
And Canon refurbished is akin to Bose, Valve, and Apple's refurbished -- just as good as new.
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And Canon refurbished is akin to Bose, Valve, and Apple's refurbished -- just as good as new.
Nikon and Canon (and Sony, etc) each have their own strengths and weaknesses. Go for the fit, not the brand.
Also, if you're thinking about entering the DSLR world, start cheap on the body and $$ on the lens. Resale value on lens are much better (less upgrades) versus the body (upgrades every 2-4 years).
The "brand" is very important. If you're looking for "just good enough to meet a need, no future expansion", sure, just get whatever works for you at a desired price point. But if future growth is of any concern, I wouldn't go NEAR several mounts or brands -- like Micro 4/3rds. Nothing technically wrong with it (I even like it)...but it's languishing.
Canon has locked down their RF lens mount. If having a variety of cheap options is important, you won't find it there. Go with Sony or Nikon -- Sony has tons of lenses to choose from, first and third parties.
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I would NOT suggest someone just starting to get a DSLR today. We're in a Mirrorless world. It's like saying "you want to get into transportation? great! get a horse instead of a car." The exception is if the person if FULLY made aware, both eyes wide open, about the limitations and tradeoffs of DSLRs. And if they get something dirt cheap to "learn" on.
And like I said, if they do get something like that, they're fully aware they're using 10-20 year old tech. Which is OK, as long as their expectations are adjusted accordingly.
----------
As for lenses, sure -- in the DSLR world, there are some real good bangers available for cheap since everyone is going to mirrorless. But then again, most budget and mid-tier mirrorless lenses are actually pretty great -- sometimes outperforming their older brethren. (The new Canon "budget" RF 28-70 f/2.8 IS STM lens for ~$1000 is equivalent or slightly better than the older EF 24-70 f/2.8 L lens. Same with the $450 RF 45mm f/1.2 STM and the older EF 50mm f/1.2 L.)
What I'm saying is -- glass is becoming less of a thing, unless you're going to the ultra-high-end of spending $2k+ for a lens. Sure, there are hidden gems and some stinkers (Canon's 75-300 is still laughable, RF or EF), but the overall trend is mirrorless glass is very much improved.
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And for upgrading a body every 2-4 years? Most of the time you're keeping a body for 10+ years. Unless you're making money from photography, I don't know of anyone who upgrades as frequently as that, like a cellular telephone handheld.
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Nikon has the F-mount. But you REALLY need to read the compatibility list and exceptions. It might as well have been four or five different mounts. It probably should have been.
Sony/Nikon have more lenses, RF lens options are lmited. I like Lumix cameras.
"Mirrorless sucks batteries." Yup, no denying that. When you're shooting with a miniature computer on-board, you need the juice. So you nab a few extra batteries and bring along a USB battery pack + usb-c cable. It's no different with mobile telephones and laptops.
"EVFs still aren't up to snuff not matter what fangirls like you say." No argument there. They've gotten better in recent iterations, but they absolutely can improve. They're still better than having a mirror flap around, especially for longer exposures. And it's nice having 100% viewfinder coverage even on the most basic mirrorless cameras -- something that was exclusively reserved for pro-tier DSLRs.
"DSLR lenses are cheaper." --> Kinda? That's like saying motorcycles are cheaper than cars. You can get cheap cars and expensive bikes...and vice versa. There are some nice deals to be had with DSLR lenses, if you know where to look. But even those prices have been climbing over the last two years, such that mid-tier RF equivalents are becoming economical. And adapting older, heavier glass that might not have IS (or as advanced IS)....that has its own issues.
"I hope your photos aren't as insufferable as you." --> You could've been a little bit nicer. You were entirely fine up until this, which came entirely out of left field. No reason to make this personal -- it's just cameras. I hope you have a better day than you deserve.
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