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if you're buying it with a low end speaker system from Best Buy or other big box store, ignore the above review pull the trigger. If you're spending 1000 or more on your speaker system...look elsewhere as this just doesn't cut it.
This is MUCH cheaper than the equivalent Denon or Marantz AVR. However, it measures pretty poorly: https://www.audiosciencereview.co...iew.71594/if you're buying it with a low end speaker system from Best Buy or other big box store, ignore the above review pull the trigger. If you're spending 1000 or more on your speaker system...look elsewhere as this just doesn't cut it.
Technically there is no Denon or Marantz equivalent.
The poor measurement is only on paper not audibly in real world use ime.
You can read owners post on that link or AVS owners thread and plenty of them are very happy with this unit.
Personally I've set this up with a 9 channel SVS Prime/ultra & 1 sub in a medium size environment.
At average listening levels this had no problem driving that setup.
That is definitely not a low end speaker system for the average user.
Paired with an external power amp, this is a decent surround sound processor. For serious listening an external amp is a must. Dirac compensates room acoustic issues very well. If you are going to use the internal power amp, I would go with the TX-RZ50, it's only a couple of hundred more.
Paired with an external power amp, this is a decent surround sound processor. For serious listening an external amp is a must. Dirac compensates room acoustic issues very well. If you are going to use the internal power amp, I would go with the TX-RZ50, it's only a couple of hundred more.
Well I'm not sure what you consider serious listening but this is a pretty capable AVR.
So capable that the only real reason to go with the RZ50 is for the extra 2 channels of processing ime.
Keep in mind you lose independent sub outs also.
Clarification the included Dirac(DLFB) on this doesn't compensate room acoustics, you need ART for that.
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if you're buying it with a low end speaker system from Best Buy or other big box store, ignore the above review pull the trigger. If you're spending 1000 or more on your speaker system...look elsewhere as this just doesn't cut it.
Agreed
But using the same litmus test the Denon X3800 measured poorly as well, for example...even the X4800 barely passed based on the wording of the review
I dont think I have seen an AVR pass that testing under about $2800-3000K MSRP
AgreedBut using the same litmus test the Denon X3800 measured poorly as well, for example...even the X4800 barely passed based on the wording of the reviewI dont think I have seen an AVR pass that testing under about $2800-3000K MSRPI would suspect this unit would do quite well with the speaker systems that are highly upvoted here on slick deals like this onehttps://slickdeals.net/f/19547517-klipsch-reference-dolby-atmos-5-0-2-surround-system-999-97?src=SiteSearch
Hmmm.... you suspect/speculate a poorly "measured" unit would do "quite well"! Go figure!
Would you provide the "validity" to your statement please?
Hmmm.... you speculate a poorly "measured" unit would do "quite well"! Go figure!
Would you provide the "validity" to your statement please?
I didnt speculate anything
Clearly you didnt read Amir's words in his review..did you?
There are a few areas where Amir used wording to decribe the X4800 as not meeting his expectations
In his review of the X3800, there was even more negative issues, and of course a failing grade
Do you need the links to those?
I can validate...
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I didnt speculate anythingClearly you didnt read Amir's words in his review..did you?There are a few areas where Amir used wording to decribe the X4800 as not meeting his expectations In his review of the X3800, there was even more negative issues, and of course a failing gradeDo you need the links to those?I can validate...
Hmmmm no "basis of validity" of YOUR statement about "this unit":
"I would suspect(speculate) this unit would do quite well"!
Well so much for credibility!
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I can absolutely ascertain you are not in the legal field..LOL
All those attempts to try and pivot, deflect and throw another unrelated speculation " factoid" in the mix
But hey...why let facts get in the way of a good story..right?..
Be it the " majority of Best Buy employees" that you stated you had experience with..or internal components of an AVR where you can not provide anything whatsoever to validate what you posted as facts
I can post the links to my validity..LOLSo I didnt just come up with something that has absolutely no basis of fact....https://www.audiosciencereview.co...iew.42812/Several negative comments from Amirhttps://www.audiosciencereview.co...iew.38574/Very poor review , on several levels, and a failing gradeI can absolutely ascertain you are not in the legal field..LOLAll those attempts to try and pivot, deflect and throw another unrelated speculation " factoid" in the mix But hey...why let facts get in the way of a good story..right?..Be it the " majority of Best Buy employees" that you stated you had experience with..or internal components of an AVR where you can not provide anything whatsoever to validate what you posted as facts
Hmmm so YOUR "basis of validity" on how this unit "would do quite well" is completely from others opinions!
That so tracks, thanks for the validity!
BTW what do you suspect/speculate "this unit would do quite well" at?
Oh wait never mind, I'll just go to that link to get YOUR "experience"!
Agreed
But using the same litmus test the Denon X3800 measured poorly as well, for example...even the X4800 barely passed based on the wording of the review
I dont think I have seen an AVR pass that testing under about $2800-3000K MSRP
If you read the 4800 thread, it did very well after it was determined the unit originally measured was defective. Yes, the 3800 did not measure well. I understand they are about to measure/review the 3900, so we will see how that does.
If you read the 4800 thread, it did very well after it was determined the unit originally measured was defective. Yes, the 3800 did not measure well. I understand they are about to measure/review the 3900, so we will see how that does.
So Amir retested another x4800 unit?If so I had not seen that If it tested better then the gap is even wider between the x3800 and x4800 than I thought it was
What Warren didn't tell you is that the 3800 only got a fail for regressing slightly in SINAD compared to the prior 3700 model. By the way, the difference in SINAD is not audible but a vendor won't tell you that!
The 3800 doesn't suffer from the limp mode issue that the RZ30 and its brethren did, which is far more egregious than a regression in SINAD you can't hear!
What Warren didn't tell you is that the 3800 only got a fail for regressing slightly in SINAD compared to the prior 3700 model. By the way, the difference in SINAD is not audible but a vendor won't tell you that!
The 3800 doesn't suffer from the limp mode issue that the RZ30 and its brethren did, which is far more egregious than a regression in SINAD you can't hear!
Oh...another opinion piece I see that can not be substantiated
You guys are so funny with all this speculation/conjecture all the time
And then the true chef's kiss was that you said you would not be posting in PAC threads anymore?!!
Did that even last a week?!!..And then you were back again with all the hearsay/speculation/conjecture
Well..that can be taken as " great" credibility for sure...
I am going to say that same amount of people that gripe about the poor DAC implementation of the X3800 gripe about the " limp " mode of the RZ30
Reading the threads of ASR, there are people that have issues with both
The good news is that the RZ30 has been $699 with Dirac onboard
Buy that $325 9 channel Monlith amp and you have the reason the RZ30 failed solved
I bet you cant solve the X3800's issues for $325.00
This (as you well know) coming from a person that has owned( or currently owns) a few PAC AVR's, A few Arcam AVRs, A couple of Arcam pre/pros and a myriad of Denon/Marantz AVRs and dedicated Marantz pre/ pros over the years
But since you troll my AVS forum account you know all of this
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If you read the 4800 thread, it did very well after it was determined the unit originally measured was defective. Yes, the 3800 did not measure well. I understand they are about to measure/review the 3900, so we will see how that does.
Yes, unfortunately this always gets micro analyzed like we were on AVS/ASR!
If you do read all those measurement post.
Many understand those benchmark measurements don't have any real audible benefit for surround sound.
If there is, benchmarks have very little to do with it ime.
When upgrading, it came down to the 4800 vs 3800 for me.
The audible difference was so minor, as much as I wanted the 4800.
Made zero sense to do so.
The extra cost went to DL/DLBC which made an exponentially bigger sonic difference/benefit.
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if you're buying it with a low end speaker system from Best Buy or other big box store, ignore the above review pull the trigger. If you're spending 1000 or more on your speaker system...look elsewhere as this just doesn't cut it.
The poor measurement is only on paper not audibly in real world use ime.
You can read owners post on that link or AVS owners thread and plenty of them are very happy with this unit.
Personally I've set this up with a 9 channel SVS Prime/ultra & 1 sub in a medium size environment.
At average listening levels this had no problem driving that setup.
That is definitely not a low end speaker system for the average user.
So capable that the only real reason to go with the RZ50 is for the extra 2 channels of processing ime.
Keep in mind you lose independent sub outs also.
Clarification the included Dirac(DLFB) on this doesn't compensate room acoustics, you need ART for that.
if you're buying it with a low end speaker system from Best Buy or other big box store, ignore the above review pull the trigger. If you're spending 1000 or more on your speaker system...look elsewhere as this just doesn't cut it.
But using the same litmus test the Denon X3800 measured poorly as well, for example...even the X4800 barely passed based on the wording of the review
I dont think I have seen an AVR pass that testing under about $2800-3000K MSRP
I would suspect this unit would do quite well with the speaker systems that are highly upvoted here on slick deals like this one
https://slickdeals.net/f/19547517-klipsch-reference-dolby-atmos-5-0-2-surround-system-999-97?src=SiteSear
Would you provide the "validity" to your statement please?
Would you provide the "validity" to your statement please?
Clearly you didnt read Amir's words in his review..did you?
There are a few areas where Amir used wording to decribe the X4800 as not meeting his expectations
In his review of the X3800, there was even more negative issues, and of course a failing grade
Do you need the links to those?
I can validate...
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"I would suspect(speculate) this unit would do quite well"!
Well so much for credibility!
"I would suspect(speculate) this unit would do quite well"!
Well so much for credibility!
So I didnt just come up with something that has absolutely no basis of fact....
https://www.audioscienc
Several negative comments from Amir
https://www.audioscienc
Very poor review , on several levels, and a failing grade
I can absolutely ascertain you are not in the legal field..LOL
All those attempts to try and pivot, deflect and throw another unrelated speculation " factoid" in the mix
But hey...why let facts get in the way of a good story..right?..
Be it the " majority of Best Buy employees" that you stated you had experience with..or internal components of an AVR where you can not provide anything whatsoever to validate what you posted as facts
That so tracks, thanks for the validity!
BTW what do you suspect/speculate "this unit would do quite well" at?
Oh wait never mind, I'll just go to that link to get YOUR "experience"!
Agreed
But using the same litmus test the Denon X3800 measured poorly as well, for example...even the X4800 barely passed based on the wording of the review
I dont think I have seen an AVR pass that testing under about $2800-3000K MSRP
I would suspect this unit would do quite well with the speaker systems that are highly upvoted here on slick deals like this one
https://slickdeals.net/f/19547517-klipsch-reference-dolby-atmos-5-0-2-surround-system-999-97?src=SiteSear
The 3800 doesn't suffer from the limp mode issue that the RZ30 and its brethren did, which is far more egregious than a regression in SINAD you can't hear!
The 3800 doesn't suffer from the limp mode issue that the RZ30 and its brethren did, which is far more egregious than a regression in SINAD you can't hear!
You guys are so funny with all this speculation/conjecture all the time
And then the true chef's kiss was that you said you would not be posting in PAC threads anymore?!!
Did that even last a week?!!..And then you were back again with all the hearsay/speculation/conjecture
Well..that can be taken as " great" credibility for sure...
I am going to say that same amount of people that gripe about the poor DAC implementation of the X3800 gripe about the " limp " mode of the RZ30
Reading the threads of ASR, there are people that have issues with both
The good news is that the RZ30 has been $699 with Dirac onboard
Buy that $325 9 channel Monlith amp and you have the reason the RZ30 failed solved
I bet you cant solve the X3800's issues for $325.00
This (as you well know) coming from a person that has owned( or currently owns) a few PAC AVR's, A few Arcam AVRs, A couple of Arcam pre/pros and a myriad of Denon/Marantz AVRs and dedicated Marantz pre/ pros over the years
But since you troll my AVS forum account you know all of this
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If you do read all those measurement post.
Many understand those benchmark measurements don't have any real audible benefit for surround sound.
If there is, benchmarks have very little to do with it ime.
When upgrading, it came down to the 4800 vs 3800 for me.
The audible difference was so minor, as much as I wanted the 4800.
Made zero sense to do so.
The extra cost went to DL/DLBC which made an exponentially bigger sonic difference/benefit.
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