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Still a good deal at $1700. Two knocks. Bass control is an extra $300. ART is not available at all for this model.
To be fair, bass control is going to cost extra for all mass market AVRs! If I were buying into this price range of AVR, I'd buy something that is already ART capable or wait for the RZ71. A nearly $2k AVR w/o ART will see resale value drop like a rock!
Still a good deal at $1700. Two knocks. Bass control is an extra $300. ART is not available at all for this model.
You need to take note of the price
To buy another AVR that has ALL of the capability of this unit and then add all the Dirac licenses and calibration mic you will be thousands more than this
But you can wait for next year's units
I bet it rolls out at least $1000 more than this though
Actual owners of the product, IMO, are the best resource and I suggest one read the AVS owners thread for tips and tricks
To be fair, bass control is going to cost extra for all mass market AVRs! If I were buying into this price range of AVR, I'd buy something that is already ART capable or wait for the RZ71. A nearly $2k AVR w/o ART will see resale value drop like a rock!
Well to be fair ART is another $300 on top of the $300 Bass Control cost for all mass market AVRS also!
It's only a beneficial IF you find it beneficial.
Last 3 years are a perfect example why a good resale value is not a good investment.
How often do people say better to go with a PAC unit with Dirac onboard!
Or that no one is going to pay for Dirac!
Sure seems like Bass Control & ART isn't as beneficial as portrayed for the mass market!
You need to take note of the priceTo buy another AVR that has ALL of the capability of this unit and then add all the Dirac licenses and calibration mic you will be thousands more than thisBut you can wait for next year's unitsI bet it rolls out at least $1000 more than this thoughActual owners of the product, IMO, are the best resource and I suggest one read the AVS owners thread for tips and trickshttps://www.avsforum.com/threads/...um=organicI have owned the sister Pioneer and Integra( still own) units and I think these units are great performers for the money
I would add/note like Dirac, ALL those capabilities are only beneficial if you actually need/use them.
Paying the "price" is wasted if you don't imo.
As someone pointed out this isn't capable(& won't)of all the Dirac licenses(ie ART), another $300 for subwoofer correction/integration.
I would add, from owning the 3800 and extensive experience properly implementing this unit.
Based on SONIC capability for surround content, the 3800 is actually was better on that aspect imo.
I will note that my 3800 has all but the 2 powered channel capabilities(don't need them) & I do own ALL Dirac licenses and mic(which cost me a little less than this price).
Power supply is irrelevant for me, mine are way better than what's onboard in this unit.
I would also point out, If all I needed was the Dirac onboard on this, subtract $600.
I agree going to the owners thread over on AVS is a good idea, especially if all you have is onboard Dirac on this.
Base management on AVRs vary from brand and model.
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I would add/note like Dirac, ALL those capabilities are only beneficial if you actually need/use them.Paying the "price" is wasted if you don't imo. As someone pointed out this isn't capable(& won't)of all the Dirac licenses(ie ART), another $300 for subwoofer correction/integration. I would add, from owning the 3800 and extensive experience properly implementing this unit.Based on SONIC capability for surround content, the 3800 is actually was better on that aspect imo.I will note that my 3800 has all but the 2 powered channel capabilities(don't need them) & I do own ALL Dirac licenses and mic(which cost me a little less than this price). Power supply is irrelevant for me, mine are way better than what's onboard in this unit. I would also point out, If all I needed was the Dirac onboard on this, subtract $600. I agree going to the owners thread over on AVS is a good idea, especially if all you have is onboard Dirac on this.Base management on AVRs vary from brand and model.
That is good that the X3800 fit your needs
For others it simply does not
This unit could be an alternative to that for some
Additionally, if you want Dirac ART as well as all of the other capabilityof this unit you will be spending likely thousands more
That was my point
I also have posted as the best resource for this unit.
Actual owners , some of whom that have owned it from the time it was released
They seem very satisfied https://www.avsforum.com/threads/...um=organic
I would also point out the stellar review from Audioholics , where a well-known, published AV reviewer, Gene Dellasalla suggests it is the best AVR under $3500
That is good that the X3800 fit your needsFor others it simply does notThis unit could be an alternative to that for someAdditionally, if you want Dirac ART as well as all of the other capabilityof this unit you will be spending likely thousands moreThat was my pointI also have posted as the best resource for this unit.Actual owners , some of whom that have owned it from the time it was releasedThey seem very satisfiedhttps://www.avsforum.com/threads/...um=organicI would also point out the stellar review from Audioholics , where a well-known, published AV reviewer, Gene Dellasalla suggests it is the best AVR under $3500https://www.bing.com/videos/river...&FORM=VIRE
Correct I would never presume to know or say what others need/use/want.
My impression was based on thee top capability imo(sonics) & top popular features capability that influences the sonics the most.
As you pointed out if you want Dirac ART as well as ALL OF THE OTHER CAPABILITY.
The new RZ71 is adding access to ART & rumored possibly 6 independent sub outs.
I agree Onkyo is going to have to be aggressive with pricing with that it because $1000 for that is going to be a hard pill to swallow imo.
Especially since the 3800 already offers that capability for much less than the presumed $2700!
Last edited by supermanrob July 5, 2026 at 01:39 PM.
Correct I would never presume to know or say what others need/use/want.
My impression was based on thee top capability imo(sonics) & top popular features capability that influences the sonics the most.
As you pointed out if you want Dirac ART as well as ALL OF THE OTHER CAPABILITY.
The new RZ71 is adding access to ART & rumored possibly 6 independent sub outs.
I agree Onkyo is going to have to be aggressive with pricing with the it because $1000 for that is going to be a hard pill to swallow imo.
Especially since the 3800 already offers that capability for much less than the presumed $2700!
Yes...and I said there are some that the X3800 would not fit their needs or expectations
And there are some that would want all that the Onkyo offers as well as ART
For that they will pay thousands
Clearly worth it to some buyers, as shown by example on AVS forum
As always I say look at the actual owners of this product, for alarge resource, and they seem very satisfied
Audioholics, a well respected source, has weighed in and shown the tests where this unit actually outperform its published specs
Yes...and I said there are some that the X3800 would not fit their needs or expectationsAnd there are some that would want all that the Onkyo offers as well as ARTFor that they will pay thousandsClearly worth it to some buyers, as shown by example on AVS forumAs always I say look at the actual owners of this product, for alarge resource, and they seem very satisfiedAudioholics, a well respected source, has weighed in and shown the tests where this unit actually outperform its published specs
Again no one is debating what anyone wants!
Again the only capability difference between this unit and the RZ71 is ART & independent sub outs.
If anyone wants to pay $1000 for that access, completely their prerogative.
Don't forget to add $600 for ART on top of that!
I'll admit I'm definitely in the minority, Dirac is definitely worth paying for especially for DLBC & ART!
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Again the only capability difference between this unit and the RZ71 is ART & independent sub outs.
If anyone wants to pay $1000 for that access, completely their prerogative.
Don't forget to add $600 for ART on top of that!
I'll admit I'm definitely in the minority, Dirac is definitely worth paying for especially for DLBC & ART!
really?
Post the spec sheets to the RZ71 amp/power supply and DACS if you would?
On another note
If you are going to move up from this unit and obtain 100% of its capability/specs along with ART , you are paying a lot more than $1000 today
So assuming you are correct in that the RZ71 will have all of the same( or higher ) capability and add Dirac ART for $1000..then that is a better deal that you can obtain right now anywhere
So $1000 more sounds like a deal to me, based on the current landscape
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Hopefully when hard date is determined, these current models drop in price!
To buy another AVR that has ALL of the capability of this unit and then add all the Dirac licenses and calibration mic you will be thousands more than this
But you can wait for next year's units
I bet it rolls out at least $1000 more than this though
Actual owners of the product, IMO, are the best resource and I suggest one read the AVS owners thread for tips and tricks
https://www.avsforum.co
I have owned the sister Pioneer and Integra( still own) units and I think these units are great performers for the money
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It's only a beneficial IF you find it beneficial.
Last 3 years are a perfect example why a good resale value is not a good investment.
How often do people say better to go with a PAC unit with Dirac onboard!
Or that no one is going to pay for Dirac!
Sure seems like Bass Control & ART isn't as beneficial as portrayed for the mass market!
Paying the "price" is wasted if you don't imo.
As someone pointed out this isn't capable(& won't)of all the Dirac licenses(ie ART), another $300 for subwoofer correction/integration.
I would add, from owning the 3800 and extensive experience properly implementing this unit.
Based on SONIC capability for surround content, the 3800 is actually was better on that aspect imo.
I will note that my 3800 has all but the 2 powered channel capabilities(don't need them) & I do own ALL Dirac licenses and mic(which cost me a little less than this price).
Power supply is irrelevant for me, mine are way better than what's onboard in this unit.
I would also point out, If all I needed was the Dirac onboard on this, subtract $600.
I agree going to the owners thread over on AVS is a good idea, especially if all you have is onboard Dirac on this.
Base management on AVRs vary from brand and model.
For others it simply does not
This unit could be an alternative to that for some
Additionally, if you want Dirac ART as well as all of the other capability of this unit you will be spending likely thousands more
That was my point
I also have posted as the best resource for this unit.
Actual owners , some of whom that have owned it from the time it was released
They seem very satisfied
https://www.avsforum.co
I would also point out the stellar review from Audioholics , where a well-known, published AV reviewer, Gene Dellasalla suggests it is the best AVR under $3500
https://www.bing.com/videos/river...&FORM=V
My impression was based on thee top capability imo(sonics) & top popular features capability that influences the sonics the most.
As you pointed out if you want Dirac ART as well as ALL OF THE OTHER CAPABILITY.
The new RZ71 is adding access to ART & rumored possibly 6 independent sub outs.
I agree Onkyo is going to have to be aggressive with pricing with that it because $1000 for that is going to be a hard pill to swallow imo.
Especially since the 3800 already offers that capability for much less than the presumed $2700!
My impression was based on thee top capability imo(sonics) & top popular features capability that influences the sonics the most.
As you pointed out if you want Dirac ART as well as ALL OF THE OTHER CAPABILITY.
The new RZ71 is adding access to ART & rumored possibly 6 independent sub outs.
I agree Onkyo is going to have to be aggressive with pricing with the it because $1000 for that is going to be a hard pill to swallow imo.
Especially since the 3800 already offers that capability for much less than the presumed $2700!
And there are some that would want all that the Onkyo offers as well as ART
For that they will pay thousands
Clearly worth it to some buyers, as shown by example on AVS forum
As always I say look at the actual owners of this product, for alarge resource, and they seem very satisfied
Audioholics, a well respected source, has weighed in and shown the tests where this unit actually outperform its published specs
Again the only capability difference between this unit and the RZ71 is ART & independent sub outs.
If anyone wants to pay $1000 for that access, completely their prerogative.
Don't forget to add $600 for ART on top of that!
I'll admit I'm definitely in the minority, Dirac is definitely worth paying for especially for DLBC & ART!
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Again the only capability difference between this unit and the RZ71 is ART & independent sub outs.
If anyone wants to pay $1000 for that access, completely their prerogative.
Don't forget to add $600 for ART on top of that!
I'll admit I'm definitely in the minority, Dirac is definitely worth paying for especially for DLBC & ART!
Post the spec sheets to the RZ71 amp/power supply and DACS if you would?
On another note
If you are going to move up from this unit and obtain 100% of its capability/specs along with ART , you are paying a lot more than $1000 today
So assuming you are correct in that the RZ71 will have all of the same( or higher ) capability and add Dirac ART for $1000..then that is a better deal that you can obtain right now anywhere
So $1000 more sounds like a deal to me, based on the current landscape
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