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BP oil spill. People are paying attention NOW, aren't they? *mad face*

18,308 38,677 May 2, 2010 at 10:50 PM in Chat
Unless my "search" button is broken, I can't find any threads about this oil spill.

Aren't there some Loungers here from the Gulf Coast area, besides myself?

This thing is going to be bad. Really bad. Sadwalk


I grew up in Pensacola, FL and have spent my whole life on these beaches. Pensacola, Gulf Shores, Navarre, Destin ... they are beautiful. And they have already suffered so much devastation over the years from hurricanes and now they have to endure THIS?

If this goes on long enough and the oil makes it's way into the Florida Keys, that will be the end of the natural coral reef habitat. What about the dolphins and fish and turtles and birds?

Environmental disaster aside, I can't even imagine what the economic impact is going to be. Weeping

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05-03-2010 at 01:16 PM.
05-03-2010 at 01:16 PM.
Quote from Wild1Willie :
People let's not loose sight of the big picture: this is a disaster which took at least 11 lives and tramatized many more people. Yes, it is terrible that the much desired oil that we all use will hurt the wildlife and environment, but will eventually be cleaned up. Then the men and women that risk their lives daily to help provide us reasonable priced petrochemical products can resume their jobs.
Thanks you! Unless you live on the coast, you don't understand how many people make their livelihood off of oil production and how at risk they are everyday. Every aspect of our lives will be affected by this - wildlife, industry, tourism, recreation, food production, everything. And all of us benefit in some way by the petrochemical industry.
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05-03-2010 at 01:20 PM.
05-03-2010 at 01:20 PM.
Quote from Wild1Willie :
People let's not loose sight of the big picture: this is a disaster which took at least 11 lives and tramatized many more people. Yes, it is terrible that the much desired oil that we all use will hurt the wildlife and environment, but will eventually be cleaned up. Then the men and women that risk their lives daily to help provide us reasonable priced petrochemical products can resume their jobs.
Really? You sure about about that????

Hmmmm, I'm not convinced.

Twenty-one years after the Exxon Valdez spill, a crew went back and dug 9,000 holes in the Alaska shoreline and oil was found IN MORE THAN HALF. (Link to story [foxnews.com].) Researchers believe that the oil will still be there HUNDREDS OF YEARS from now. And that was after a 4 year cleanup of what was mostly rocks and pebbles. The Gulf Coast beaches are sand beaches. How the hell do you clean sand????? The sad truth is, you can't.

Color me heartless, but the sympathy and empathy I had for the workers of that rig dissipated as soon I heard there was a leak ... or two ... or three!

"Risking their lives"? Have you ever been on a rig? My next-door neighbor's husband works off-shore on a rig 2 weeks a month and he says the work is hard but the money and perks are phenomenal. And not once in all the years I've known him (4), has he ever said he was doing this so that "Joe Public" could have cheaper gas. He does it for the pay and the fact that he's home 2 weeks a month.
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05-03-2010 at 01:27 PM.
05-03-2010 at 01:27 PM.
Quote from thearteest :
Thanks you! Unless you live on the coast, you don't understand how many people make their livelihood off of oil production and how at risk they are everyday. Every aspect of our lives will be affected by this - wildlife, industry, tourism, recreation, food production, everything. And all of us benefit in some way by the petrochemical industry.
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Really? You sure about about that????

Hmmmm, I'm not convinced.

Twenty-one years after the Exxon Valdez spill, a crew went back and dug 9,000 holes in the Alaska shoreline and oil was found IN MORE THAN HALF. (Link to story [foxnews.com].) Researchers believe that the oil will still be there HUNDREDS OF YEARS from now. And that was after a 4 year cleanup of what was mostly rocks and pebbles. The Gulf Coast beaches are sand beaches. How the hell do you clean sand????? The sad truth is, you can't.

Color me heartless, but the sympathy and empathy I had for the workers of that rig dissipated as soon I heard there was a leak ... or two ... or three!

"Risking their lives"? Have you ever been on a rig? My next-door neighbor's husband works off-shore on a rig 2 weeks a month and he says the work is hard but the money and perks are phenomenal. And not once in all the years I've known him (4), has he ever said he was doing this so that "Joe Public" could have cheaper gas. He does it for the pay and the fact that he's home 2 weeks a month.
Working on a rig is fairly safe. Working on some of the vessels offshore and doing the deepsea work is very, very dangerous. I almost lost a friend a month ago (he is the captain of a jack up rig) when the jacks on the vessel malfunctioned. His partner at work, his beloved dog was lost but fortunately every person on the vessel was recovered safely. We have a LOT of people that get injured working offshore and a TON more that get injured even just working in the shipyard. My office is directly next to the safety guy for our company - plus I was in a long relationship with a guy who works offshore and have plenty of friends who work in Africa and Trinidad and let me tell you - it isn't "safe" work per se.

Yes, someone starting out in the oilfield, even as a low level technician will make at least $60,000 a year, captains and what not make upwards of $150,000. BUT - that means working a ton of holidays, missing their kids grow up and not seeing their wives. Yes, it is their choice, but someone has to do the job to allow us to have oil.
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05-03-2010 at 01:45 PM.
05-03-2010 at 01:45 PM.
Quote from CrazyCatJade :
Yes, someone starting out in the oilfield, even as a low level technician will make at least $60,000 a year, captains and what not make upwards of $150,000. BUT - that means working a ton of holidays, missing their kids grow up and not seeing their wives. Yes, it is their choice, but someone has to do the job to allow us to have oil.
Must be nice. My husband has worked tons of holidays, missed birthdays, anniversaries, etc., in the 18 years we have been married. The military doesn't pay him nearly that much and as an added "bonus", we get sub-standard healthcare. Whee

But I digress.

This spill didn't have to happen and all the money in the world isn't going to "fix" the coastline after this mess comes ashore.
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05-03-2010 at 02:32 PM.
05-03-2010 at 02:32 PM.
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Must be nice. My husband has worked tons of holidays, missed birthdays, anniversaries, etc., in the 18 years we have been married. The military doesn't pay him nearly that much and as an added "bonus", we get sub-standard healthcare. Whee

But I digress.

This spill didn't have to happen and all the money in the world isn't going to "fix" the coastline after this mess comes ashore.
I never said I agreed with the pay. There are plenty of people such as military personnel, police officers, firefighters, teachers who deserve to make a lot more than someone who sits in an office on a safe vessel in air conditioning dictating to people what they need to do.

The spill didn't have to happen, but it did, and there isn't anything that can be done about it now. It's not like someone woke up and said, "hmmm...it's been a while since Exxon Valdez, let's have an oil spill today!!" It was a tragedy.
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05-03-2010 at 02:34 PM.
05-03-2010 at 02:34 PM.
MSGAL -

Yes, after working about 10 years on a drillship offshore, I do know how dangerous rig work is. Unfortunately, it isn't the 1st time that a multiple lives have been lost near me. We lost a helo full of men a few years ago. I'm also familar with the military, retiring from the USN in subs after about 21 years. I'd be out on the rigs now, if not for the cancer that is throughout my abdominal cavity and believed to be from the radiation I received while serving on subs.
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05-03-2010 at 02:38 PM.
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05-03-2010 at 02:39 PM.
05-03-2010 at 02:39 PM.
USA's Chernobyl
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05-03-2010 at 02:46 PM.
05-03-2010 at 02:46 PM.
Those boats are part of the fleet of the company I work with. They busted ass and risked their lives to make sure those guys were safe and the fire was as controlled as possible.
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05-03-2010 at 03:24 PM.
05-03-2010 at 03:24 PM.
Quote from Wild1Willie :
People let's not loose sight of the big picture: this is a disaster which took at least 11 lives and tramatized many more people. Yes, it is terrible that the much desired oil that we all use will hurt the wildlife and environment, but will eventually be cleaned up. Then the men and women that risk their lives daily to help provide us reasonable priced petrochemical products can resume their jobs.
yea and while you're at it why dont you ask bp why they buy up all the patents that would rid us of such a dependancy of oil...such as electric cars, water fusion, etc. Electric cars arent exactly a new concept. its been around for decades. image what would happen to bp if electric cars were mass produced that everyone could afford one. wouldnt look good for them. unfortunately now that they own pretty much all patents related, we will start seeing them mainstream since the oil companies will be benefiting once again.

im just glad ive seen most of the florida beaches before all of this oil hits their coast cause its going to be one major sh*t storm. sux
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05-03-2010 at 03:29 PM.
05-03-2010 at 03:29 PM.
"It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don't cause spills. They are technologically very advanced."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm8gLmuTvJ4

Quote from YouTube video text :
Speaking at a battery company in Charlotte, North Carolina, President Barack Obama falsely claims that Hurricane Katrina didn't cause any offshore spills. In fact, there were 124 offshore spills for a total of 743,700 gallons, including six major spills. Obama's defense of offshore drilling's safety came just twenty days before one of the worst offshore oil rig disasters in US history.
"Ultimately, we need to move beyond the tired debates of the left and the right, between business leaders and environmentalists, between those who would claim drilling is a cure-all and those who would claim it has no place."

During worst ecological oil disaster in nation's history, President Obama says it's "premature" to...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201...61313.html
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/v...oryid=2366
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05-03-2010 at 03:45 PM.
05-03-2010 at 03:45 PM.
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Really? You sure about about that????

Hmmmm, I'm not convinced.

Twenty-one years after the Exxon Valdez spill, a crew went back and dug 9,000 holes in the Alaska shoreline and oil was found IN MORE THAN HALF. (Link to story [foxnews.com].) Researchers believe that the oil will still be there HUNDREDS OF YEARS from now. And that was after a 4 year cleanup of what was mostly rocks and pebbles. The Gulf Coast beaches are sand beaches. How the hell do you clean sand????? The sad truth is, you can't.
The first time I heard that my thought was how terrible it sounds. Then the more I heard it I started thinking about it. If the same crew went to the same place and just observed the sight what would they find? Sure, they dug 9,000 holes in the ground and found some oil. I would be more interested in knowing what is still being negatively affected from the spill. Now if they went up there and found the beaches still covered in oil and there was still a visible sheen on the water and dead fish washing up on shore it would be a terrible thing. Before they dug those 9,000 holes was there any indication that it was there?

I'm sure there are some lasting effects from the spill but I bet in general, thanks to the clean-up efforts and nature itself, things are probably working themselves back to normal. Most likely, even if that same oil is still there a hundred years from now there will be no signs that it is hurting anything on the surface.

Not to downplay the Exxon Valdez spill or the current one--they are both horrible tragedies. But nature can and will recover from it in time. Sadly a lot of people will be hurt along the way.
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05-03-2010 at 05:31 PM.
05-03-2010 at 05:31 PM.
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I wonder what these chemicals are doing to the sea life. At least the oil floats to the surface and we could clean it up. What happens to the chemicals in the water? Scratchhead



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Oil is a natural resource, eventually the Earth will absorb it up, it will just take time. Everything that makes up Earth will eventually go back to Earth in its own way.
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05-03-2010 at 05:48 PM.
05-03-2010 at 05:48 PM.
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Must be nice. My husband has worked tons of holidays, missed birthdays, anniversaries, etc., in the 18 years we have been married. The military doesn't pay him nearly that much and as an added "bonus", we get sub-standard healthcare. Whee

But I digress.

This spill didn't have to happen and all the money in the world isn't going to "fix" the coastline after this mess comes ashore.

I'm sorry you feel the military pay is unfair. I will agree. Your husband has chosen his career path, he could have chosen a job in the oilfield just as easily. The military is dangerous, but the oilfield is a very dangerous working enviroment too. Just walking on the deck or shipyard is a threat to their lives, it is not unusual to have a crane drop something or something fall crushing someone. These are very laborous jobs that are not recognized or rewarded often, there are many risks to the job and much time is spent away from their families for travel and safety reasons. They do not get discounts for food for wearing a uniform or buy groceries at a special merchant for special treatment discount. They work for every dime they earn, so if you think it is unfair for an entry level position to pay $60k a year to sweep the deck then you need to look at the risks. Again, I agree the military personnel is under paid, but the men and woman know the risks and the pay before dedicating themselves to fight for the oil that both parties risk their lives for.
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05-03-2010 at 06:28 PM.
05-03-2010 at 06:28 PM.
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I'm sorry you feel the military pay is unfair. I will agree. Your husband has chosen his career path, he could have chosen a job in the oilfield just as easily. The military is dangerous, but the oilfield is a very dangerous working enviroment too. Just walking on the deck or shipyard is a threat to their lives, it is not unusual to have a crane drop something or something fall crushing someone. These are very laborous jobs that are not recognized or rewarded often, there are many risks to the job and much time is spent away from their families for travel and safety reasons. They do not get discounts for food for wearing a uniform or buy groceries at a special merchant for special treatment discount. They work for every dime they earn, so if you think it is unfair for an entry level position to pay $60k a year to sweep the deck then you need to look at the risks. Again, I agree the military personnel is under paid, but the men and woman know the risks and the pay before dedicating themselves to fight for the oil that both parties risk their lives for.

Ummm ... where do YOU live that military get discounted food? Huh Nowhere around here does that. shake head I get a 15% discount at Walgreen's on Tuesdays with my ID and we (sometimes) get a 10% discount on hotel rates when we travel. Our food prices at the Commissary are lower on about half the products I buy and there's no tax but they do tack on a 5% "surcharge" at the end. Call it what it is ... a tax.

But again, this is not a pissing contest about who should/does make more or who takes more risks. This is about the oil spill and the devastation headed our way.

AND the people that have absolutely no idea that a spill even happened. I met another one this afternoon. Facepalm
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