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9.0 Earthquake near Honshu Japan; Major Tsunami hits Japan (((related news stories in post 515)))

31,436 2,810 March 10, 2011 at 10:12 PM in News (3)
They are expecting a Tsunami of up to 10 feet high. Buildings were shaken in Tokyo, no word yet on damage. It was only 15 miles deep and 81 miles east of Honshu.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001xgp.php

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42023385/ns/world_news-asiapacific/

Edit: One of the aftershocks was a 7.1. Here's the full list of quakes for that area.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthq...ia_eqs.php
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03-12-2011 at 06:55 AM.
03-12-2011 at 06:55 AM.
Quote from larrymoencurly :
60% of the world's earthquakes occur in Japan.
My comment was in response to the bunny's apprehension to building new nuclear plants here in the US. My point was that we don't have to fear this sort of an accident here in the US if we just site the power plants in locations that are not prone to these types of natural disasters.
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03-12-2011 at 07:45 AM.
03-12-2011 at 07:45 AM.
Quote from dalokgawd :
My comment was in response to the bunny's apprehension to building new nuclear plants here in the US. My point was that we don't have to fear this sort of an accident here in the US if we just site the power plants in locations that are not prone to these types of natural disasters.

not trying to be argumentative but tornados, floods, hurricanes, and everything else can do the same


There is a small safe zone in the vegas area that is "free" from natural disaster in the US which i why most offsite backup facilities including the government have bunkers in that zone…. its safe






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03-12-2011 at 08:16 AM.
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not trying to be argumentative but tornados, floods, hurricanes, and everything else can do the same


There is a small safe zone in the vegas area that is "free" from natural disaster in the US which i why most offsite backup facilities including the government have bunkers in that zone…. its safe




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I'm sure that engineers are perfectly capable of designing a nuclear power plant to withstand a tornado or a small earthquake (like we get in the Midwest or East Coast). The fact that one nuclear power plant out of 10 exhibited problems after the 6th largest earthquake in history occurring a few hundred miles away is hardly a reason to come to the conclusion that no nuclear power plants should be built in the United States. It's just not reasonable. Personally, I think the fact that the damage was this small is a tribute to the excellent design of the power plants.
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03-12-2011 at 08:31 AM.
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I'm sure that engineers are perfectly capable of designing a nuclear power plant to withstand a tornado or a small earthquake (like we get in the Midwest or East Coast). The fact that one nuclear power plant out of 10 exhibited problems after the 6th largest earthquake in history occurring a few hundred miles away is hardly a reason to come to the conclusion that no nuclear power plants should be built in the United States. It's just not reasonable. Personally, I think the fact that the damage was this small is a tribute to the excellent design of the power plants.
not trying to be argumentative, just trying to clear things up


actually there are two power plants that are having problems… the one that had the explosion is about 10 clicks from the other… they have a 10click evac around the second, a 20 click evac from the one that had the explosion…


i do agree that nuclear energy is relatively safe, i do hope that we can learn a lot from both of these current failures so we can make them even safe then they are now...
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03-12-2011 at 08:40 AM.
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Quote from dalokgawd :
My comment was in response to the bunny's apprehension to building new nuclear plants here in the US. My point was that we don't have to fear this sort of an accident here in the US if we just site the power plants in locations that are not prone to these types of natural disasters.
But in many cases, reactors haven't been built on the best sites but on sites owned by cronies. For example, Arizona's Palo Verde nuclear plant was built on land that just happened to be owned by relatives of the biggest utility's chairman. BTW, this nuclear plant was one of only two in the US on federal probation.
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03-12-2011 at 08:56 AM.
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So what happens to these people now? Does insurance cover their losses? I know the insurance compnies are going to be going bankrupt but these people lost everything, their cars, their friends, their families, their houses, their jobs, their communities…. Dontknow


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But in many cases, reactors haven't been built on the best sites but on sites owned by cronies. For example, Arizona's Palo Verde nuclear plant was built on land that just happened to be owned by relatives of the biggest utility's chairman. BTW, this nuclear plant was one of only two in the US on federal probation.
Now THAT is a serious problem. Federal regulators need to be on top of that sort of thing and make sure that siting decisions are made for logical reasons and that the power plants are in safe locations. Granted, the federal government is not usually good at making intelligent decisions. Just look at where they decided to build Yucca Mountain. THERE'S an argument against building new nuclear power plants that is logical and has merit, IMO.
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03-12-2011 at 10:19 AM.
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not trying to be argumentative, just trying to clear things up


actually there are two power plants that are having problems… the one that had the explosion is about 10 clicks from the other… they have a 10click evac around the second, a 20 click evac from the one that had the explosion…


i do agree that nuclear energy is relatively safe, i do hope that we can learn a lot from both of these current failures so we can make them even safe then they are now...
I didn't think you were being argumentative. I just didn't think the idea that we can only build nuclear power plants in an area that is completely 100% safe from any natural disaster was a good one.

As for learning from the disaster, sure. Then again, it will never be cost effective to build any structure that can withstand every single thing that Mother Nature could possibly throw at it. It's all about studying the area, determining what is reasonable and probable, and planning for that. Again, this is the sixth biggest earthquake ever recorded in human history. If we have to start building everything to protect from that magnitude of an event, it would be ridiculously expensive and nothing would ever get built. laugh out loud
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03-12-2011 at 11:37 AM.
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FYI, there is a nuclear power plant in an earthquake + tsunami zone in San Diego county. San Onofre power plant. right there on the beach. looks like two giant titties

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But in many cases, reactors haven't been built on the best sites but on sites owned by cronies. For example, Arizona's Palo Verde nuclear plant was built on land that just happened to be owned by relatives of the biggest utility's chairman. BTW, this nuclear plant was one of only two in the US on federal probation.
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Now THAT is a serious problem. Federal regulators need to be on top of that sort of thing and make sure that siting decisions are made for logical reasons and that the power plants are in safe locations. Granted, the federal government is not usually good at making intelligent decisions. Just look at where they decided to build Yucca Mountain. THERE'S an argument against building new nuclear power plants that is logical and has merit, IMO.
Imagine if there was no federal oversight of nuclear reactors, and Disney World just decided to add a nuclear reactor, something their charter with the state of Florida allows. They'd probably try to do it on the cheap and have it built by Lennar Homes. Frown

I have a feeling Yucca Mountain was chosen to minimize political risk because almost all of Nevada is federal land, and the state has only 3 members in Congress. But look at other taxpayer-funded projects, like sports stadiums. For example, Diamondbacks were located in downtown Phoenix, on land owned by wealthy interests (the Quayle family's newspaper company), even though an Indian tribe offered free land that was right next to a freeway.
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I didn't think you were being argumentative. I just didn't think the idea that we can only build nuclear power plants in an area that is completely 100% safe from any natural disaster was a good one.
hug i just dont want to be misinterpreted as being a troll


as for putting them in the safe areas… nothing is truely safe… there are always plane crashes, meteors(meteorites/meteoroids), terrorists, etc
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As for learning from the disaster, sure. Then again, it will never be cost effective to build any structure that can withstand every single thing that Mother Nature could possibly throw at it. It's all about studying the area, determining what is reasonable and probable, and planning for that. Again, this is the sixth biggest earthquake ever recorded in human history. If we have to start building everything to protect from that magnitude of an event, it would be ridiculously expensive and nothing would ever get built. laugh out loud


i do kinda disagree on that.. we do need to do more because nuclear fallout is horrible
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03-12-2011 at 02:58 PM.
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not trying to be argumentative but tornados, floods, hurricanes, and everything else can do the same.
None of those are nearly as bad as an 8.9 earthquake followed by a tsunami.

American plants have been subjected to hurricanes, earthquakes, and tornadoes without any damage to the reactor or its essential safety systems.

Davis Besse in Ohio has been hit directly by tornadoes on more than one occasion. Hurricane Andrew went right over Turkey Point in Florida. Most plants along the west coast have endured earthquakes. I don't know of any flooding at an American plant off the top of my head, but I'm sure it has happened given that plants tend to be located in low-lying areas by rivers and coastlines.
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03-12-2011 at 05:18 PM.
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It is bad that one of my first thoughts was that this was going to affect the price of electronics next year?

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03-12-2011 at 05:57 PM.
03-12-2011 at 05:57 PM.
Verizon Fios is giving free Japanese channel until March 17th if anyone has fios. Smilie Channel 1770 I think the channel is universal for fios. Dontknow And they said something in Japanese about a free prepaid card to Japan or something but it's in Japanese and my translator might not be great.

if anyone wants to translate it:
VerizonSupport: 無料で＃Verizonのプリペイド携帯電話カード3月20日まで家族や友人に到達する＃日本を呼び出します。 http://prepaid.verizon.com/ #Japan #tsunami
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