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Hello, My Name is Mike. I Give A Thesis As to Why Steven Hawking Could Be Wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, I used to think Steven Hawking was the smartest person ever. As someone else that is smart (me), I watch Discovery and TLC a lot - minus Kate Plus Eight hehe.. Anyways, let's get down to what is bothering me.

I was thinking the other day of the entire basis of why the Big Bang Theory is the top suggested theory going right now in the science realm. Let's ignore religion and let's use what we know. For those unaware, the Big Bang is basically the theory that everything originated from a single point so small and so tiny that you couldn't even see it with your own eyes. Let's put this into your mind.

Now the Big Bang is used mostly because of the Doppler Effect. No I ain't talking weather. I'm talking color shift. Basically things that move very fast away from you create a redshift (red color behind them). Those that are coming toward you fast create a blueshift (blue in front of them). So what scientist have done is examine the universe and see all this redshift everywhere. They basically have concluded that everything is moving away from us.

My problem is the following:

1) The Doppler Effect doesn't take into account the source point of view. Who is to say the Earth isn't the one moving away fast? If you want to include our solar system, let's say the Sun and the 8 planets are the ones moving away from everything else.

2) If everything is moving so far away from each other at such fast speeds, why is Steven Hawking even suggesting that we attempt to travel to other solar systems thousands of light years away from us (speeds we can't even come close to). By the time we reach where they were when we left earth, they will no longer be there, right? They are moving so fast to create a redshift that we would never make the destination. The travel time would be infinite.

3) Let's say that it is just our solar system moving away from everything else. That would destroy the Big Bang theory completely and then do away with the idea that we all originated from one single point in space. It also destroys Steven Hawking's theory that before the Big Bang, there was no space.

If this is too complicated for you to understand, let me know and I can explain more.

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08-11-2011 at 08:33 AM.
08-11-2011 at 08:33 AM.
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Now don't get me wrong, I used to think Steven Hawking was the smartest person ever. As someone else that is smart (me), I watch Discovery and TLC a lot - minus Kate Plus Eight hehe.. Anyways, let's get down to what is bothering me.

I was thinking the other day of the entire basis of why the Big Bang Theory is the top suggested theory going right now in the science realm. Let's ignore religion and let's use what we know. For those unaware, the Big Bang is basically the theory that everything originated from a single point so small and so tiny that you couldn't even see it with your own eyes. Let's put this into your mind.

Now the Big Bang is used mostly because of the Doppler Effect. No I ain't talking weather. I'm talking color shift. Basically things that move very fast away from you create a redshift (red color behind them the red color isn't behind them, the redder color is essentially the object (or at least the electromagnetic radiation given off by the object), the red shift means that the wave lengths are slightly longer causing the electromagnetic waves to be shifted slightly more into the redder end of the spectrum causing them to have a slight red hue from what the norm would dictate). Those that are coming toward you fast create a blueshift (blue in front of them ... see red shift and switch it). So what scientist have done is examine the universe and see all this redshift everywhere. They basically have concluded that everything is moving away from us There are plenty of things that are blue shifted, not everything is moving away from us.

My problem is the following:

1) The Doppler Effect doesn't take into account the source point of view. Who is to say the Earth isn't the one moving away fast? If you want to include our solar system, let's say the Sun and the 8 planets are the ones moving away from everything else The earth is moving away from some things and towards others, likewise some things are moving toward the earth and some things are moving away.

2) If everything is moving so far away from each other at such fast speeds, why is Steven Hawking even suggesting that we attempt to travel to other solar systems thousands of light years away from us (speeds we can't even come close to). By the time we reach where they were when we left earth, they will no longer be there, right? They are moving so fast to create a redshift that we would never make the destination. The travel time would be infinite. Same way we can hit Mars with a probe, aim for where it will be not where it is, granted there are certain things moving away faster than we'd be able to approach them (currently), also things like relative speed come into play (if you throw a baseball in the direction the earth is spinning, it's not going immediately reverse direction and smack you in the face at 1000mph because the earth is spinning faster than you can throw the baseball)

3) Let's say that it is just our solar system moving away from everything else. That would destroy the Big Bang theory completely and then do away with the idea that we all originated from one single point in space. It also destroys Steven Hawking's theory that before the Big Bang, there was no space.Again... there are plenty of things moving toward us...

If this is too complicated for you to understand, let me know and I can explain more.

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There's a reason Stephen Hawking is one of the smartest people on the planet...
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08-11-2011 at 08:38 AM.
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Maybe you and Mike can have a theory circle jerk in one of your threads.
I already have a thread like that.
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08-11-2011 at 08:38 AM.
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There's a reason Stephen Hawking is one of the smartest people on the planet...
Because he watches TLC?
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08-11-2011 at 08:39 AM.
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Because he watches TLC?
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Because he watches TLC?
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I already have a thread like that.
I bet you do.

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08-11-2011 at 08:45 AM.
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Quote from idkMyBFFist :
There's a reason Stephen Hawking is one of the smartest people on the planet...
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Because he watches TLC?

I think it's because he was featured in a Pink Floyd song, "Keep Talking".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS-qsh6eTik

As for the "Big Bang theory" I can describe it in a short sentence: "There was NOTHING, and suddenly, SOMETHING EXPLODED"!

Hawking's latest theory from the other day = "Time didn't exist before the universe was created, therefore, there's NO PLACE for God to have ever existed".

I postulate that statement alone means he must be smart, because he has finally "out smarted" himself by coming up with it. The existence of God can only be believed through faith, never proved through science. Then again, I think it takes faith for scientists to come up with some of their "beliefs". If believing that "something that never existed exploded, and created the universe as we know it", isn't faith, I don't know what is.
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08-11-2011 at 08:46 AM.
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I think it's because he was featured in a Pink Floyd song, "Keep Talking".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS-qsh6eTik
Of course!
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08-11-2011 at 09:02 AM.
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Quote from MikeBear :
I think it's because he was featured in a Pink Floyd song, "Keep Talking".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS-qsh6eTik

As for the "Big Bang theory" I can describe it in a short sentence: "There was NOTHING, and suddenly, SOMETHING EXPLODED"!

Hawking's latest theory from the other day = "Time didn't exist before the universe was created, therefore, there's NO PLACE for God to have ever existed".

I postulate that statement alone means he must be smart, because he has finally "out smarted" himself by coming up with it. The existence of God can only be believed through faith, never proved through science. Then again, I think it takes faith for scientists to come up with some of their "beliefs". If believing that "something that never existed exploded, and created the universe as we know it", isn't faith, I don't know what is.

I love the Big Bang Theory. It hilarious! One of the best shows on TV right now. nod
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08-11-2011 at 09:04 AM.
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I think Mike needs to do more reading on survivalblog.com and less TLC watching.
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08-11-2011 at 09:22 AM.
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I love the Big Bang Theory. It hilarious! One of the best shows on TV right now. nod
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08-11-2011 at 09:29 AM.
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I find it hard to believe that anyone who watches TLC is smart
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You all raise some valid points
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The worst part is, he used it as one of his credentials for being smart.
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Because he watches TLC?
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Aww, I watch TLC. Sadwalk
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08-11-2011 at 09:36 AM.
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I watched this documentary with Hawking, and one question they always fail to answer is where did the mass/energy come from to cause the big bang?
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08-11-2011 at 09:57 AM.
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I do like the Big Bang Theory, but I don't watch it very often. Whenever I do, I'm sure to get a good laugh out of it though! Crylol

As for planetary shift... They had to adjust for this in Stargate SG-1. I think when they added the fact that the locations for planets were moving, they were able to open up a whole bunch more gates they could explore! That, and originally they'd come out feeling sick and messed up because of the planetary shift that wasn't being accounted for.

Or something.
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