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507 92 February 9, 2012 at 07:59 PM in Chat Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl1ujzRidmU (apparently the original video? thanks!)

what would you do in the same situation?

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02-12-2012 at 08:43 AM.
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Finally, you also seem to have issue with the fact that he posted something publicly.

In retrospect, posting it to facebook, in the same place that she posted her original rant, simply shows that he saw it, wasnt going to take that disrespect, and let everyone know that he was going to teach his child a lesson, rather than let it sit up there or just disappear, as if it never happened.

Again, i agree its over the top, but its not egregious to post a public response, because it's already out there. The child made that happen.

Again, I agree shooting it was over the top, but as Demo said, he wasnt using the gun in discipline, just as a tool to destroy the laptop. He didnt threaten her with it, he didnt point it or wave it at anyone, he didnt go "And next time it'll be you instead of this laptop". He didnt show a ridiculous amount of "gun safety" issues, and perhaps he lives out in the county, outside of a incorporated city, where firing a gun on private property (safely) is legal and not out of the ordinary.

Poor tool choice, perhaps. Intent to threaten the daughter with it? I dont think so.
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02-12-2012 at 08:56 AM.
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Quote from bryantq :
He didn't use the gun for discipline. He used the gun to destroy something.
He used the gun to destroy her laptop because she disobeyed him. The last time she did something similar to this "she was grounded for 3 months". So her discipline this time was having her laptop taken away........MY point is is that his way of doing it was wrong for many reasons. We both know a sledgehammer would be a total different story.

Again I will also say there is no doubt she deserved to be punished. I am 100% with him on taking the laptop away for good for her actions.

I imagine most people who own a firearm (s) and have been properly/professionally trained, and legally carry a handgun have a good understanding of the responsibilities involved. I take it very seriously, especially that I have child.

To anyone else responding to me....I'm as entitled as you are to my opinion and I may have different reasons than you. If you don't like I have an opinion, go somewhere else and talk amongst yourselves about it.
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02-12-2012 at 09:01 AM.
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Quote from bryantq :

Poor tool choice, perhaps. Intent to threaten the daughter with it? I dont think so.
I NEVER said he threatened the daughter with the gun.
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02-12-2012 at 09:02 AM.
02-12-2012 at 09:02 AM.
Im just glad it wasnt her dog he just spent 130.00 on getting "updated"
Im all for following through on consequences..but what this did was way extreme...i think hecould have handled it in a better way rather than resorting to redneck violence...i would hate to see what he does when she reallly gets out of hand...drugs..stealing..embezzlement...
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02-12-2012 at 09:07 AM.
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And for anyone familiar with domestic violence destroying anothers property is clearly an intimidation tool used by the abuser...
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02-12-2012 at 09:10 AM.
02-12-2012 at 09:10 AM.
Quote from Moot-N-Me :
He used the gun to destroy her laptop because she disobeyed him. The last time she did something similar to this "she was grounded for 3 months". So her discipline this time was having her laptop taken away........MY point is is that his way of doing it was wrong for many reasons. We both know a sledgehammer would be a total different story.

Again I will also say there is no doubt she deserved to be punished. I am 100% with him on taking the laptop away for good for her actions.

I imagine most people who own a firearm (s) and have been properly/professionally trained, and legally carry a handgun have a good understanding of the responsibilities involved. I take it very seriously, especially that I have child.

To anyone else responding to me....I'm as entitled as you are to my opinion and I may have different reasons than you. If you don't like I have an opinion, go somewhere else and talk amongst yourselves about it.
I guess the point perhaps then is, if your child is taught gun safety and knows about guns and is comfortable with guns, and its legal to do so - is it egregious that he used it to destroy the laptop? Maybe he knows that his 15 year old daughter knows the difference between using a gun to threaten someone and using a gun to blow some stuff up.

There are lots of responsibilities of gun ownership - using them within the confines of the law is perfectly acceptable. Maybe where you live its a no-no wherever you are, and then I could see where you're coming from.

I have reason to believe that it is perfectly legal to discharge his weapon, since he probably lives in an area where it is legal to do so. Most counties (especially in the south) do not prohibit discharging your weapon as long as it is not reckless or endangering someone. I don't see it any different than someone taking a car or printer or whatever out to a lot and shooting the hell out of it.

Now, if it were illegal to do so, I would undoubtedly agree that it was poor form.
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02-12-2012 at 09:14 AM.
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Quote from Moot-N-Me :
I NEVER said he threatened the daughter with the gun.
That's what it sounds like you're saying when you say he's using the gun to discipline her. (In that, how else would it be discipline). I feel as if I'm not the only person interpreting it that way, and I guess that's why we're trying to draw the distinction that he isn't using the gun -for- discipline.
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02-12-2012 at 09:16 AM.
02-12-2012 at 09:16 AM.
Quote from Justawannabe :
And for anyone familiar with domestic violence destroying anothers property is clearly an intimidation tool used by the abuser...
You might be right about that. The father is destroying his own property though heh. But I feel like he was pretty calm, all things considered, in this video, so I don't know if I'd jump to domestic violence...

That's almost like saying people who swear are likely to have anger management issues. there may be a correlation, but its not causation.
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02-12-2012 at 09:28 AM.
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Quote from bryantq :
I guess the point perhaps then is, if your child is taught gun safety and knows about guns and is comfortable with guns, and its legal to do so - is it egregious that he used it to destroy the laptop? Maybe he knows that his 15 year old daughter knows the difference between using a gun to threaten someone and using a gun to blow some stuff up.

There are lots of responsibilities of gun ownership - using them within the confines of the law is perfectly acceptable. Maybe where you live its a no-no wherever you are, and then I could see where you're coming from.

I have reason to believe that it is perfectly legal to discharge his weapon, since he probably lives in an area where it is legal to do so. Most counties (especially in the south) do not prohibit discharging your weapon as long as it is not reckless or endangering someone. I don't see it any different than someone taking a car or printer or whatever out to a lot and shooting the hell out of it.

Now, if it were illegal to do so, I would undoubtedly agree that it was poor form.
And I agree with that. I have no idea what his daughter knows about gun saftey. I never mentioned legality but I also agree with your point there.

Where I live, yes, it would be illegal for me to fire my handgun in my backyard at a laptop. When I was trained, things like that were not mentioned on the list of how to's.

Maybe I think a little different....like what if (even though he was shooting in a calm fashion) one of those bullets for whatever reason hit the person taking the video? I just see it as unsafe and irresponsible as a father figure. There are way to many other options he could have chose......and she could be without a laptop. And that part I agree with.

I see it different than using a car or a hammer etc.....because those are not intended weapons. They could be used as weapons....anything could really.
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02-12-2012 at 09:32 AM.
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The father shooting the laptop in this manner is completely unacceptable and appears to be a knee-jerk reaction that was not properly thought out. I am highly disappointed that he thought it was appropriate to blow holes in a functioning computer the way he did.





I mean c'mon, he just updated it so it must have been working. He should have had it on and running and sitting up on a post or something (taking care of course that the area behind is safe for shooting). Then he should have maybe had a target set up for a screen saver or maybe some cheesy old shooting game up on the screen as something more entertaining for the Youtube and facebook audience to watch. As an added touch he should have had a webcam pointed back at himself to capture the shot from the laptop's point of view.

The father's quick and careless decisions severely limited the entertainment potential of this situation.
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02-12-2012 at 09:32 AM.
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Quote from bryantq :
That's what it sounds like you're saying when you say he's using the gun to discipline her. (In that, how else would it be discipline). I feel as if I'm not the only person interpreting it that way, and I guess that's why we're trying to draw the distinction that he isn't using the gun -for- discipline.
Just so we are on the same page here because there seems to be some misunderstanding: The father fired bullets into his daughters laptop to destroy it. We both agree there. Now, why did he do that? Not why did he use a gun....just.....why did he destroy her laptop?
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Quote from Moot-N-Me :
And I agree with that. I have no idea what his daughter knows about gun saftey. I never mentioned legality but I also agree with your point there.

Where I live, yes, it would be illegal for me to fire my handgun in my backyard at a laptop. When I was trained, things like that were not mentioned on the list of how to's.

Maybe I think a little different....like what if (even though he was shooting in a calm fashion) one of those bullets for whatever reason hit the person taking the video? I just see it as unsafe and irresponsible as a father figure. There are way to many other options he could have chose......and she could be without a laptop. And that part I agree with.

I see it different than using a car or a hammer etc.....because those are not intended weapons. They could be used as weapons....anything could really.
See i knew we could talk this out Smilie

Lots of people see guns as more than just tools to kill people. (Especially in the south). Lots of people take stuff out to shoot to bits for fun, so realistically if it were legal and that was the kind of mentality there, it probably didnt occur to him that it was going to be so distasteful to others.

Also, there was no one else filming, it was just him. He chose what looked like soft ground to shoot at too.
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02-12-2012 at 09:37 AM.
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Quote from Moot-N-Me :
Just so we are on the same page here because there seems to be some misunderstanding: The father fired bullets into his daughters laptop to destroy it. We both agree there. Now, why did he do that? Not why did he use a gun....just.....why did he destroy her laptop?
His method of discipline in this case was to remove/destroy her laptop. That's it.

Whether he chose to use a sledgehammer, chainsaw, his knee, or a gun, ends up with the same result.

To him the gun is probably just another tool to meet that goal.

And if like my previous post, if in his community it was common or somewhat accepted and legal, it probably didnt have any stigma associated with it.

Quote from Iaaaiws :
The father shooting the laptop in this manner is completely unacceptable and appears to be a knee-jerk reaction that was not properly thought out. I am highly disappointed that he thought it was appropriate to blow holes in a functioning computer the way he did.





I mean c'mon, he just updated it so it must have been working. He should have had it on and running and sitting up on a post or something (taking care of course that the area behind is safe for shooting). Then he should have maybe had a target set up for a screen saver or maybe some cheesy old shooting game up on the screen as something more entertaining for the Youtube and facebook audience to watch. As an added touch he should have had a webcam pointed back at himself to capture the shot from the laptop's point of view.

The father's quick and careless decisions severely limited the entertainment potential of this situation.
I agree. I still think taking a sledgehammer and being it into a pulp would've been the best. Or maybe a blendtec:

"Laptop dust, don't eat this." as he gives her a baggie of dust when she asks for her laptop.
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02-12-2012 at 09:46 AM.
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His method of discipline in this case was to remove/destroy her laptop. That's it.

Whether he chose to use a sledgehammer, chainsaw, his knee, or a gun, ends up with the same result.

To him the gun is probably just another tool to meet that goal.

And if like my previous post, if in his community it was common or somewhat accepted and legal, it probably didnt have any stigma associated with it.
Ok. So I have listened to you and have respected your thoughts and see where there are differences.

I just hate when people jump down my throat when they have no idea that I have good reasons to back up my opinions. I hope you understand where I am coming from now and respect my choices of gun saftey. It would really tick me off if guys like this that are viral on youtube screw with our right to bear arms.
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02-12-2012 at 09:50 AM.
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Quote from Moot-N-Me :
Ok. So I have listened to you and have respected your thoughts and see where there are differences.

I just hate when people jump down my throat when they have no idea that I have good reasons to back up my opinions. I hope you understand where I am coming from now and respect my choices of gun saftey. It would really tick me off if guys like this that are viral on youtube screw with our right to bear arms.
the media will spin it however they want. there's nothing we can do about that.

they'll probably call him a terrible father for making his daughter go through this emotional trauma and that only the most insane people would shoot a non-living object, "first its laptops, then its concentration camps"...

then someone will demand for CPS to take his child away and have him sent to jail.
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