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Another theory on obesity

8,799 168 February 10, 2012 at 06:25 AM in Grocery Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

There are many theories on the causes of obesity. Some say too much fat, too many calories. Ironically, many of the modern diets have generally failed to fix the problem.

The above video is long. For people who will reply with tl;dr here is the synopsis:



Watch it if you get a chance. I really enjoyed it and found it both eye opening and informative, without needing some shock factor or sex to sell it. It follows a simple premise and makes a lot of sense.

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02-10-2012 at 07:49 AM.
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I must be on ignore. Hello? Hello? Hello?
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I must be on ignore. Hello? Hello? Hello?

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02-10-2012 at 07:52 AM.
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Haven't talked to you in a while, been busy with life and work and such. Plus to add in a cliché, the lounge really has gone downhill Wink
Hope all is well...and we have established (while you were away) that the Lounge is no longer going downhill. We have hit rock bottom.
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02-10-2012 at 07:52 AM.
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wave You're not the OP though Sadwalk

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Hope all is well...and we have established (while you were away) that the Lounge is no longer going downhill. We have hit rock bottom.
laugh out loud There's only one way to go now.
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02-10-2012 at 07:53 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:53 AM.
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Confused
That was a bit misleading.

Glucose is not the problem. It's sucrose (which is one part fructose and one part glucose) and how our bodies deal with them and how much of them is in everything we eat. We can break down glucose no problem, fructose is another store.

He doesn't blame sugar, he blames sugar being in everything as a part of gov legislation to win re-elections by making food cheap.

Again, that being said, there are primary and secondary reasons for obesity. His case is in increase in sugar consumption is a key primary cause and presents data to support it.

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Or he'll be paid as a lobbyist for successfully leading the charge or recruiting others to get a tax on sugar. Or he'll then run for some sort of local or state office. Or he'll get a job with a pharmaceutical company. Or he'll get a job like a chief of staff for a politician. Yeah....he has nothing to gain from this.
I'm one who bases accusations on the preponderance of evidence, not accusations based on nothing. That being said, what group stands to benefit from taxing sugar? Not the crop industry, not the FDA and not any big companies who work in this field.

If you have evidence to support this, I'd like to see it (I'm serious, I would really like to see it, I'm not being cynical). I take things with a grain of salt, that being said, I don't accuse people w/o evidence to support it. I don't support his evidence to tax sugar, I support his evidence to stop subsidizing sugar.
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02-10-2012 at 07:56 AM.
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Quote from vec :
OK, so we agree about moderation. This was my argument the entire time (along with exercise)

Like I said, I love my junk food. I do not stop my kids from having junk food. I just have the rules that go along with it.

I am fine with sugar. I will never blame sugar for the problem. I will always blame the schools, I will always blame the parents, I will always blame the government for their incorrect agenda of dumping money into food programs in schools instead of the physical education programs. On the latter, I don't care if schools sell cookies or Twinkies or whatever as long as they don't cut out physical education. Unfortunately, Phys Ed is the first thing that gets cut.

My entire argument in this thread is based on the first line in your spoiler: The problem is sugar - PERIOD.
I don't blame sugar. The problem is WHY sugar is in everything we eat and HOW our bodies have dealt with the increase in sugar. Sugar is the problem, but HOW sugar became the problem real problem (sugar is the accomplice, not the master mind)

There's a secondary cause of the above bold. Phys ed is part of the piece (stabilize metabolism, reduce stress, etc.), but there is more underlying data.

Again, we don't disagree. Watch the video when you have time and bump this thread.
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02-10-2012 at 07:56 AM.
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Quote from vec :
The fat problem in this country started when schools stated limiting or removing the physical education. This all stated about 20 years ago and it isn't a coincidence that the fat problem in this country started right after that.
What schools have removed PE? I don't think you could even describe it as limited in our district (maybe yours is different), you need three credits of it to graduate from high school, and there's PE in the elementary and middle schools as well.
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02-10-2012 at 08:00 AM.
02-10-2012 at 08:00 AM.
Quote from mohater :
That was a bit misleading.

Glucose is not the problem. It's sucrose (which is one part fructose and one part glucose) and how our bodies deal with them and how much of them is in everything we eat. We can break down glucose no problem, fructose is another store.

He doesn't blame sugar, be blames sugar being in everything as a part of gov legislation to win re-elections by making food cheap.

Again, that being said, there are primary and secondary reasons for obesity. His case is in increase in sugar consumption is a key primary cause and presents data to support it.
It still boils down to portion control. Sugar has been around for thousands of years, but the obesity epidemic only started in the past ~20-40 years. Other countries eat a lot of sugar, and they're not obese (Brazil, India, etc.).

The US isn't even in the top ten consumers of sugar per-capita. http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-...tries.html
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02-10-2012 at 08:03 AM.
02-10-2012 at 08:03 AM.
Quote from mohater :
I don't blame sugar. The problem is WHY sugar is in everything we eat and HOW our bodies have dealt with the increase in sugar. Sugar is the problem, but HOW sugar became the problem real problem (sugar is the accomplice, not the master mind)

There's a secondary cause of the above bold. Phys ed is part of the piece (stabilize metabolism, reduce stress, etc.), but there is more underlying data.

Again, we don't disagree. Watch the video when you have time and bump this thread.
I will try to make time over the weekend to watch the video.

After all is said and done, we seem to agree on most points. I just had a problem with that first line in your spoiler. Replace the word 'sugar' with 'parents' and we are done here.
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02-10-2012 at 08:05 AM.
02-10-2012 at 08:05 AM.
Quote from Fallacy :
It still boils down to portion control. Sugar has been around for thousands of years, and yes the obesity epidemic started in the past ~40 years. Other countries eat a lot of sugar, and they're not fat (Brazil, India, etc.).

The US isn't even in the top ten consumers of sugar per-capita. http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-...tries.html
It's a two fold solution, fiber and sugar.

Those places eat a lot more fiber than we do (we remove fiber to increase shelf life, while other places generally don't unless they're eating food we've sent to them).

Again, the video presents all this.

Quote from vec :
I will try to make time over the weekend to watch the video.

After all is said and done, we seem to agree on most points. I just had a problem with that first line in your spoiler. Replace the word 'sugar' with 'parents' and we are done here.

How the heck as I supposed to fit everything we've gone through in the OP without every response being TL;DR? Frown
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02-10-2012 at 08:07 AM.
02-10-2012 at 08:07 AM.
Quote from mohater :
It's a two fold solution, fiber and sugar.

Those places eat a lot more fiber than we do (we remove fiber to increase shelf life, while other generally places don't unless they're eating food we've sent to them).

Again, the video presents all this.
So the problem isn't sugar, it's fiber?

This I can agree with. All that fat-ass farkers eating Twinkies and bon-bons instead of picking up an apple or some broccoli.


If this video is 90minutes, I'm not going to watch it. I don't have the time for it, and I find other things to be more important than understanding one persons opinion on the root cause of obesity.
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02-10-2012 at 08:09 AM.
02-10-2012 at 08:09 AM.
Quote from mohater :
How the heck as I supposed to fit everything we've gone through in the OP without every response being TL;DR? Frown
No need to fit everything into the OP. You just didn't need to phrase it "The problem is sugar - PERIOD."

That was way too definitive. No room for negotiation.
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02-10-2012 at 08:09 AM.
02-10-2012 at 08:09 AM.
Here's more to add to the discusson, they say about 1 out of 5 woman have PCOS now. There are numerous studies even the government has much info on it, all the ongoing studies are focused on the lack of getting pregnant though, which makes since if no one could get pregnant. Anyway there's tons of articles and this one has some interesting points. http://www.squidoo.com/losingweightpcos
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02-10-2012 at 08:09 AM.
02-10-2012 at 08:09 AM.
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What schools have removed PE? I don't think you could even describe it as limited in our district (maybe yours is different), you need three credits of it to graduate from high school, and there's PE in the elementary and middle schools as well.
There is no PE in elementary school here. There is recess though. In middle school there is only one quarter of PE. Dontknow It seems like PE is on it's way out around here Frown I don't understand why it isn't all school year long.

I think there is to much sugar in everything and it is poison to our bodies and our bodies functions. But I still eat it Frown it is in to much stuff, I eat it everyday. We do practice moderation in sugar intake and no one in our family is fat but we are really active. Actually according to the ratio of height to weight or whatever scale they use at the Dr office we are all a bit underweight. But I do have family members who have weight problems Dontknow
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