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NC Marriage Amendment

2,651 476 May 8, 2012 at 08:40 AM in Debate (2)
I went to the poll today to cast my vote on the NC Marriage Amendment [politico.com]. As expected, there were a lot of lesbians against the amendment standing outside the polling place. None of them were hot. Not one. Just a whole bunch of greying, shabbily dressed, hairy legged women with signs. It seems like the lesbian community could have put on a much better display to influence public opinion outside the polls.

No lipstick. No kissing. All in all a big disappointment. Frown

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05-08-2012 at 02:47 PM.
05-08-2012 at 02:47 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
So you believe that being married covers all the bases, thereby eliminating the need for the things I mentioned above?
I believe it provides a default for people who haven't provided alternatives for those. I suppose I could be wrong.
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I don't have a will, a power of attorney, or a living trust or a spouse. That doesn't mean it isn't foolish to not have them.
I just want to quote this because it's got you implying you're foolish (or, at the least, have the capacity for it) Prop
Some people would debate whether or not it's more foolish to have a spouse than not, though Turtle
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BigBananaMess
05-08-2012 at 02:52 PM.
05-08-2012 at 02:52 PM.
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two can live together more cheaply than two living separately, which in turn is less of a driving force on the economy, and that loss should be made up.
Yes, that explains why Chairman O canceled his visit to NC today. And why the lesbians sent their C team to protest outside the polls in NC.

No gay marriage = Obama's secret plan to grow the economy.
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05-08-2012 at 03:29 PM.
05-08-2012 at 03:29 PM.
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Iaaaiws
05-08-2012 at 04:25 PM.
05-08-2012 at 04:25 PM.
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well the easiest example of who is suffering the loss is the housing or rental market. two people living together takes one person out of the market as far as buying a home or renting.

who should it be made up to is a much bigger scope of a question, but theoretically some of that extra money they're being taxed is getting filtered back in to the markets they're taking away from by living together.
Or you could look at it as two people living together pooling their money to buy a house sooner than they could have on their own and maybe buying a bigger and more expensive home than they could individually afford. And maybe two people living together would have more resources available to purchase luxury items and would just have more money to spend in general, thereby growing the economy.

And I would like to see even one example where the government has taken money from an individual who earned it, in the form of taxes, filtered it through the government bureaucracy and waste and had it come out the other end where it was spent more efficiently than the individual could have spent it.
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05-08-2012 at 04:31 PM.
05-08-2012 at 04:31 PM.
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I believe it provides a default for people who haven't provided alternatives for those. I suppose I could be wrong.
I guess I still prefer personal responsibility over the nanny state protecting the idiots.

If marriage is so wonderful in taking care of our citizens then why not allow multiple husbands and wives? If some is good then more is better right? Dontknow
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05-08-2012 at 05:06 PM.
05-08-2012 at 05:06 PM.
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I guess I still prefer personal responsibility over the nanny state protecting the idiots.

If marriage is so wonderful in taking care of our citizens then why not allow multiple husbands and wives? If some is good then more is better right? Dontknow
Two non sequiturs in a row. I should parry with an ad hominem, I think.
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Iaaaiws
05-08-2012 at 05:09 PM.
05-08-2012 at 05:09 PM.
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Two non sequiturs in a row. I should parry with an ad hominem, I think.
Wow, you sure turned this boring in a hurry. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Either answer the questions or give up the discussion.
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05-08-2012 at 05:16 PM.
05-08-2012 at 05:16 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Wow, you sure turned this boring in a hurry. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

Either answer the questions or give up the discussion.
I fail to see where I implied that marriage is wonderful in taking care of citizens, hence me labeling it a non sequitur (and rendering the second question completely irrelevant).
I was simply pointing out that there's very little functional difference, if all tax conditions associated with marriage are removed, between filling out the various forms that are implied with a marriage if one hasn't filled them out separately (since you indicated you wouldn't support civil unions that were free of tax conditions but carried the other associations).
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Iaaaiws
05-08-2012 at 05:21 PM.
05-08-2012 at 05:21 PM.
Quote from Frogstar :
I fail to see where I implied that marriage is wonderful in taking care of citizens, hence me labeling it a non sequitur (and rendering the second question completely irrelevant).
I was simply pointing out that there's very little functional difference, if all tax conditions associated with marriage are removed, between filling out the various forms that are implied with a marriage if one hasn't filled them out separately (since you indicated you wouldn't support civil unions that were free of tax conditions but carried the other associations).
Ah, I didn't realize that your main point was that people should decide to get married to save a little paper work and for tax reasons. Doh
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05-08-2012 at 05:30 PM.
05-08-2012 at 05:30 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Ah, I didn't realize that your main point was that people should decide to get married to save a little paper work and for tax reasons. Doh
Still off, I asked if you'd support civil unions that didn't have tax associations, and then discussed your negatory response.
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Zoe Moon
05-08-2012 at 05:44 PM.
05-08-2012 at 05:44 PM.
Yawn

look around at the top of the page...nope, still in the lounge.
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Mad Scientist
05-08-2012 at 06:27 PM.
05-08-2012 at 06:27 PM.
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Don't be daft, you don't have to do that now. You'd just support making people who want to have a marriage-like relationship from a legal perspective fill out various other forms rather than one simple form, even if the end result is the same, because it "keeps the government out of marriage" Dontknow
Unfortunately your argument doesn't hold water.

The government didn't decide the definition of marriage, the people did, by their vote.
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05-08-2012 at 06:36 PM.
05-08-2012 at 06:36 PM.
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Still off, I asked if you'd support civil unions that didn't have tax associations, and then discussed your negatory response.
I guess I just don't see the significance of a reduction in paperwork as being one of the primary benefits of civil unions or marriages.

Do you support civil unions that don't have tax associations and if so is the paperwork thing really that important in your choice? If not then why use that as your primary discussion point?
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05-08-2012 at 06:44 PM.
05-08-2012 at 06:44 PM.
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Unfortunately your argument doesn't hold water.

The government didn't decide the definition of marriage, the people did, by their vote.
My position (at least in this thread--it may not reflect my complete opinion on the subject) has been that the definition of marriage can mean different things to different people and that is fine. There just shouldn't be any benefit or penalty from the government based on marriage simply because the definition can have so much variation.
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05-08-2012 at 06:47 PM.
05-08-2012 at 06:47 PM.
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Looks like it was approved by a wide margin. Hopefully the lesbians bring their A game to the polls next time around.
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