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Smoking Ban and Termination

214 84 September 17, 2012 at 05:19 PM in Chat
In Illinois we have had a smoking ban for over 4 years which is long enough for everyone to have heard of in our state. I servie copy machines and do network maintenance and am being forced to go into an accounting firm in Central IL that feels that the smoking ban does not apply to them. The building smells, there is heavy smoke in the air, and the owner is kind of like a dragon. She doesn't even have a cigarette in her hand but she still will have smoke pouring out of her mouth after speaking 2 complete sentences.

Can I be fired for reporting them to the authorities and for letting them know that the reason I am unable to give them good service is due to the fact that I feel ill and get a migraine while in the office and cannot perform under the current circumstances?
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HeyLookItsMe
09-18-2012 at 07:20 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:20 AM.
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An interesting take [straightdope.com] on the issue.
Why cite an article that's 11 years old. Wy not look at more currents data

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On June 27th, 2006, the Surgeon General released a major new report on involuntary exposure to secondhand smoke, concluding that secondhand smoke causes disease and death in children and nonsmoking adults. The report finds a causal relationship between secondhand smoke exposure and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), and declares that the home is becoming the predominant location for exposure of children and adults to secondhand smoke.

Get more information on "The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke: A Report of the Surgeon General" at http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/lib...handsmoke/
The National Survey on Environmental Management of Asthma and Children's Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke (NSEMA/CEE) (U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 2004)
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Landers
09-18-2012 at 07:27 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:27 AM.
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I know I'm on the wrong side of this issue because the majority of people want security over freedom, but the OP doesn't work directly for that company. He has options and isn't forced to work on that site. I'll take the freedom to secure myself any day.
Amen.
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chevvy
09-18-2012 at 07:29 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:29 AM.
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Its fine to be allowed to do your own thing with out the government being involved in the privacy of your own home and when you are not farking imposing that disgusting habit on everyone around you.
So does that apply to small business since they have to file their business holdings on their person income tax forms?
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Why cite an article that's 11 years old. Wy not look at more currents data
I didn't realize it was that old, and I didn't claim it was evidence of anything. Again, I know I'm on the wrong side of the issue here. Smoking causes cancer. Smoking is disgusting. We know that. My point has nothing to do with whether or not it causes cancer. Why do yall keep focusing on that? I've said 3 or 4 times now that my issue is with security over freedom.
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teenbean
09-18-2012 at 07:31 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:31 AM.
Why not just call the cops as an anonymous tip? Let them deal with it. Your boss can't make them stop smoking.
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Landers
09-18-2012 at 07:38 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:38 AM.
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So does that apply to small business since they have to file their business holdings on their person income tax forms?


I didn't realize it was that old, and I didn't claim it was evidence of anything. Again, I know I'm on the wrong side of the issue here. Smoking causes cancer. Smoking is disgusting. We know that. My point has nothing to do with whether or not it causes cancer. Why do yall keep focusing on that? I've said 3 or 4 times now that my issue is with security over freedom.
Because if it's bad for you, it should be banned. Unless it's pot, then of course it should be legal.
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chevvy
09-18-2012 at 07:40 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:40 AM.
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Because if it's bad for you, it should be banned. Unless it's pot, then of course it should be legal.
Exactly. Pro-Choice doesn't apply to smoking, soda, paper or plastic, what kind of cars to drive, the water you drink, which power company you use, GMO foods, etc.. I love progressive logic. It's so fun to try to make sense out of.
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09-18-2012 at 07:41 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:41 AM.
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09-18-2012 at 07:42 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:42 AM.
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I liked this thread better when it was about dating Chinese women.
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09-18-2012 at 07:49 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:49 AM.
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Exactly. Pro-Choice doesn't apply to smoking, soda, paper or plastic, what kind of cars to drive, the water you drink, which power company you use, GMO foods, etc.. I love progressive logic. It's so fun to try to make sense out of.
They claim they're about more freedom on social issues, but their views of what constitutes actual freedom are terribly narrow minded. Dontknow
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09-18-2012 at 07:49 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:49 AM.
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if someone wants to choose to die by smoking that's their choice
Iagree If you want to smoke on a deserted island, feel free.
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09-18-2012 at 07:50 AM.
09-18-2012 at 07:50 AM.
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Iagree If you want to smoke on a deserted island, feel free.
So smokers need to be rich enough to own an island? Guess that's why I don't smoke any longer. laugh out loud
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09-18-2012 at 08:06 AM.
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09-18-2012 at 08:21 AM.
09-18-2012 at 08:21 AM.
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Iagree If you want to smoke on a deserted island, feel free.
Iagree

Exactly! How selfish and narrow-minded do you have to be to assume that your smoking doesn't affect anyone around you? wave Wink
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09-18-2012 at 09:15 AM.
09-18-2012 at 09:15 AM.
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Iagree




But are they paying him or the company he works for? Who is providing his health insurance while he is there?

I know I'm on the wrong side of this issue because the majority of people want security over freedom, but the OP doesn't work directly for that company. He has options and isn't forced to work on that site. I'll take the freedom to secure myself any day.
I am the LAST person who wants security over freedom. However, there is a fine line between an individual's freedoms and activities that infringe on the freedoms of others. Smoking causes all sorts of lung and breathing issues, both first and second hand. The severity of the second hand issues are directly related to the amount of exposure. This is common sense though. I am a smoker, and although I was initially peeved about the smoking bans, I'm okay with it being forbidden in enclosed public areas such as businesses, restaurants, etc. My habits (freedoms) shouldn't step on the freedoms of others (their ability to have fresh air in an enclosed space).


Plus...on the bright side, I get to go outside and take an extra 4-5 breaks a day (~30 minutes) vs the non-smokers
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09-18-2012 at 09:22 AM.
09-18-2012 at 09:22 AM.
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Iagree

Exactly! How selfish and narrow-minded do you have to be to assume that your smoking doesn't affect anyone around you? wave Wink
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It gives me a headache and makes my sinuses go bonkers. I'm glad they are cracking down on it in public places.
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