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Problem with landscaper

646 48 October 3, 2012 at 02:06 PM
Hi everyone,
I have been a long-time user of this forum and am very impressed with the cumulative knowledge presented here. I am presenting my situation here in hope that the fellow SDers may have a solution or advise for me. I am not sure if this is the right forum so please move it to the appropriate one if you see fit

I bought a house and wanted to do some small landscaping improvement. I asked around and somebody gave me a name and phone number of a guy who contracts landscaping in the area. I called the guy up and he came and gave me an estimate of $3,500 for the landscaping. It includes redoing the existing 3 planters and put shields between the planters and the house, plant 3 full-size King palms in 2 different areas with flower beds under the trees, plant 7 Queen palms and flower beds, run irrigation system with automatic controller throughout the yards, create a 5' wide walk-way of stamped concrete for bringing the trash in and out of the yard, and finally fill the yard with mulch. He also indicated that he would take care of all the little extra things to make sure that it look great to my satisfaction. He will provide everything including trees, flowers, mulch, concrete, hauling dirt in and out, all inclusive. He told me he will complete in 3 days. He said that he is just glad he has a job in this economy. He sounds nice and the deal appears to be good so I accepted it. He said that it is a small job and I really don't need to create a formal contract. He asked for $1,000 deposit and I gave it to him.
The next day, he already had the yard dug up multiple holes "in preparation for tree planting" and laid down irrigation pipes. At this point, he asked for $500 more to buy the trees. I gave it to him. He stated that the yard is so large that I needed to fill-in with fruit trees to make it nicer but it was not in the agreement so I had to pay for them. I went ahead and bought 14 small fruit trees and gave it to him and he planted the same day. At this point, he stated that he needed $700 more to buy the mulch and pay for the concrete and he would finish the job the next day. Impressed with everything so far, I gave him $700 as he asked.

Over the next few days, he no showed. I called him on several occasions and he states that he will get it done the next day but again, no showed. This continues over the next several weeks of no-show. I have contacted him many times over the phone and messages. He started not answering the phone and occasionally when I do get him, he always apologized and states that it will be done that same weekend. Well, it has been 6 weeks and by now I realize that he will never come.

To summarize: I paid a guy who I only know his first name and phone number so far $2,200 and he only laid down water pipes and planted some trees that I bought, then now stopped coming. I know, I should have known better and got a written contract but I really thought that it was a small job and the guy was so happy just to have a job in this economy. Anyhow, I am at this point so furious at the guy lying so blatantly knowing that he is not coming, leaving me dragged on forever while my yard is all dug up and ugly. I have decided to hire another contractor this coming weekend to finish the job. I, however, wanted to know from my fellow SDers if there are anything I could do to get the guy to pay back. Or at least track him down and warns others about this guy. Your help is well appreciated. Sorry for the long post but I wanted to present all the details.

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obman
10-06-2012 at 11:51 AM.
10-06-2012 at 11:51 AM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
I suggest you call him back with another offer to finish the job at whatever "price $$$$" it takes, pretty sure such a person like that will show up, and when he shows up, that convenient hole that he first dug up for you could be his grave...

Nobody will miss him, I swear...

just make sure you get a shovel ready...

Sometimes you just have to take the law into your own hand.

is the guy hispanic? that just may help you chances that he is illegal and probably no one will ever notice him missing..

Smilie

P.S. not to be taken as legal or proper advice
I like your attitude but unfortunately we live in a society that does not permit such action. Most people will say " all that for a lousy $2200?" What they don't understand is the principle and this guy is not at the level where normal reasoning would work, ie. we have an agreement, I pay, now you do the work. Yes he is Mexican and there is a great chance that some of his workers are illegal. I have no issues with Mexicans here, just merely pointing out that he is for identification purposes. Anyhow, going the way he is, I am sure he will pay at some point, one way or another. At least he won't work for my circle of friends.

Regarding the lady, she is a long time fried of mine. She had no idea as she was duped pretty much the same time. She felt really bad and has been searching for him herself. I told her that is it not her fault. There is no way she could have known. We live in an area where works are being done and paid all the time without any contracts, just verbal agreement. I don't lock my car and many times don't lock the house door. Well, this is all new to us that these types of people are real.
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Ryu-bom
10-06-2012 at 12:10 PM.
10-06-2012 at 12:10 PM.
Quote from obman :
I like your attitude but unfortunately we live in a society that does not permit such action. Most people will say " all that for a lousy $2200?" What they don't understand is the principle and this guy is not at the level where normal reasoning would work, ie. we have an agreement, I pay, now you do the work. Yes he is Mexican and there is a great chance that some of his workers are illegal. I have no issues with Mexicans here, just merely pointing out that he is for identification purposes. Anyhow, going the way he is, I am sure he will pay at some point, one way or another. At least he won't work for my circle of friends.

Regarding the lady, she is a long time fried of mine. She had no idea as she was duped pretty much the same time. She felt really bad and has been searching for him herself. I told her that is it not her fault. There is no way she could have known. We live in an area where works are being done and paid all the time without any contracts, just verbal agreement. I don't lock my car and many times don't lock the house door. Well, this is all new to us that these types of people are real.
anyways you should never put any down payment without any contract..

You should hired people who work by the hour, you pay them to start and then you pay them in full at the end.

And you should never pay someone to go buy you stuff if they are strangers, you make them buy it and show you the receipt for reimbursement. If that is not to their liking, you can put up a amount you are comfortable in losing and pay the rest when they come back with the stuff.

if society do not promote getting rid of people, they should also not promote people who like to scam either.. If they turn a blind eye to scammers, they should also turn a blind eye when said scammer disappear mysteriously....Smilie
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Piccaboo
10-06-2012 at 12:46 PM.
10-06-2012 at 12:46 PM.
Quote from obman :
I like your attitude but unfortunately we live in a society that does not permit such action. Most people will say " all that for a lousy $2200?" What they don't understand is the principle and this guy is not at the level where normal reasoning would work, ie. we have an agreement, I pay, now you do the work. Yes he is Mexican and there is a great chance that some of his workers are illegal. I have no issues with Mexicans here, just merely pointing out that he is for identification purposes. Anyhow, going the way he is, I am sure he will pay at some point, one way or another. At least he won't work for my circle of friends.

Regarding the lady, she is a long time fried of mine. She had no idea as she was duped pretty much the same time. She felt really bad and has been searching for him herself. I told her that is it not her fault. There is no way she could have known. We live in an area where works are being done and paid all the time without any contracts, just verbal agreement. I don't lock my car and many times don't lock the house door. Well, this is all new to us that these types of people are real.
Well, there's a problem right there Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) Even though I live in a safe neighborhood, I still lock my door and my vehicle Doh You are far too trusting, in today's age of scam artist's. The declining economy makes YOU a target for "thieves" - or didn't you think of this Scratchhead
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10-06-2012 at 02:54 PM.
10-06-2012 at 02:54 PM.
I am hoping to use the power of the Internet and SDers to tell him that we as a society do not approve of scammers. If enough people send the message, he will realize that so many people know about his scam and may be he will back off. Please show support by sending him a message/call. Thank you

Edit: What is "ICE" by the way?
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vaultaddict
10-06-2012 at 02:57 PM.
10-06-2012 at 02:57 PM.
Quote from obman :
I am hoping to use the power of the Internet and SDers to tell him that we as a society do not approve of scammers. If enough people send the message, he will realize that so many people know about his scam and may be he will back off. Please show support by sending him a message/call. Thank you
I'm hoping to use the power of this thread to expose the naïveté of someone who would give someone they know almost nothing about thousands of dollars sans any type of contract at all.

I think my plan has a much better chance of success.
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Ryu-bom
10-06-2012 at 03:01 PM.
10-06-2012 at 03:01 PM.
Quote from obman :
I am hoping to use the power of the Internet and SDers to tell him that we as a society do not approve of scammers. If enough people send the message, he will realize that so many people know about his scam and may be he will back off. Please show support by sending him a message/call. Thank you

Edit: What is "ICE" by the way?
immigration custom enforcement.... ( ICE ) as the gov't you want you to know them as
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daniel32
10-06-2012 at 03:01 PM.
10-06-2012 at 03:01 PM.
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Edit: What is "ICE" by the way?
http://www.ice.gov/
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10-06-2012 at 03:05 PM.
10-06-2012 at 03:05 PM.
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http://www.ice.gov/
Thank you. Lesson learned on my part. I am not trying to recup money. Just didn't want him to got scot free and continue doing to others.

THANK YOU ALL, again
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Brock Landers
10-06-2012 at 03:10 PM.
10-06-2012 at 03:10 PM.
I called him. Seriously.Some words were used that hopefully got the point across. He was apologetic and said he plans to finish said job. Again..."He said he will finish the job." I'll leave it at that. Let me know if he follow's through - keep the thread updated.
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MikeBear
10-06-2012 at 07:33 PM.
10-06-2012 at 07:33 PM.
So, you setup a Craigslist account with a throw-away email address, and you post an ad (using a library pc) in your local Craigslist using his name and phone number in the ad. Say that you've suddenly found religion, and want to pay all monies back to anybody that you have ripped off on landscaping! Tell those people to call you and ask for their money back...

Might not help you get your money back, but it'll sure keep him busy for a while, and perhaps some others that really did get ripped off by him will figure out how to stop him.
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10-06-2012 at 08:01 PM.
10-06-2012 at 08:01 PM.
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So, you setup a Craigslist account with a throw-away email address, and you post an ad (using a library pc) in your local Craigslist using his name and phone number in the ad. Say that you've suddenly found religion, and want to pay all monies back to anybody that you have ripped off on landscaping! Tell those people to call you and ask for their money back...

Might not help you get your money back, but it'll sure keep him busy for a while, and perhaps some others that really did get ripped off by him will figure out how to stop him.
Sneaky, but I like it. Not sure if I would go thru with that though. Thank you for your support.
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jj.12321
10-08-2012 at 02:38 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:38 PM.
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You should hired people who work by the hour, you pay them to start and then you pay them in full at the end.
....Smilie
Not a good idea at all.
Here's the problem.
Legitimate contractors will never work "by the hour" because when they give their hourly rate, the customer will freak out.. The customer doesn't understand that the contractor will spend $100 on gas getting stuff there, etc.. Basically, the customer will freak out unless the contractor quotes something close to minimum wage (and obviously the contractor deserves more than that).

If you do get someone willing to work "By the hour", expect it to take 3-4 times longer than it should.
I assume they are still going to want some kind of payment before ordering materials as well.

If you really don't trust the contractor, work out a schedule of payments.
Like "$800 paid when the gravel arrives", etc.. Remember that contractors get ripped off too.. Contractors probably get ripped off more often than customers do.
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10-08-2012 at 03:45 PM.
10-08-2012 at 03:45 PM.
Block your number (*67), call him, pretend you are a new customer, then set up an appointment to meet up somewhere.
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Dafoe
10-08-2012 at 04:00 PM.
10-08-2012 at 04:00 PM.
Quote from row :
Block your number (*67), call him, pretend you are a new customer, then set up an appointment to meet up somewhere.
This^^^ Or have a friend call and tell him to meet at their place.
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10-08-2012 at 07:01 PM.
10-08-2012 at 07:01 PM.
I am considering meeting him up somewhere but then what to do when he shows up? He ALWAYS apologizes then promise to get it done but you can betcha, he NEVER shows up. At lest that was what I experienced for 6 weeks. He always promised it will be done the next day or so, swear on his mother's grave, then basically acted as if that never happened. I can't be physical with him. Man, I wish I have those wheel lock thingy that when he shows up , I just lock up his car or something until he finishes the job. It is a small job any way. If he wanted to, he can finish it in 1-2 days.
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