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I am tired of all of these bandwagon PBS fans.

5,642 884 October 7, 2012 at 10:53 PM in Rant
All I see is a bunch of retards pretending to be PBS viewers because Mitt Romney doesn't like PBS and wants to get rid of the CPB.

Seriously, fark the whole lot of them. I hope they all die choking on ham sandwiches.

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Last Edited by calistyle October 7, 2012 at 11:43 PM
Quote from DBC :
I think you are misunderstanding me. Frown

I hate the all of the people who are part of the new PBS is cool, and I am also cool because I watch PBS trend. The old viewers, the ones who are loyal viewers are the ones that I have real respect for.

These people, the new fans are no different than the people who didn't care for/hated America before 9/11 and suddenly became neocons right after the towers were brought down.

And just so you know, I watch the newshour ever night, and most of the their primetime programs. I've got much love for my local PBS and NPR stations even though they have tried to censor programming and love to pimp the catholic church on their channels.
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Ryu-bom
10-08-2012 at 02:20 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:20 PM.
Quote from happyhunting :
I never said at all that they were purely government funded. You are very good at just making up things that were never said from a quote.

previous poster said something like 12% is government funded. Why do they deserve the 12% is what I am asking. If a company can't succeed without assistance, and they aren't something that is needed in every day life, why do they deserve any government handouts?
the same reason why gov't pay for education of children....

if you got money you get to go to a private school, if you can't afford a private school, you can at least go to a crappy school...

At the end at least no one remains uneducated..

So what type of things you think the gov't should only fund?
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idkist
10-08-2012 at 02:22 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:22 PM.
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They give money to the farmers to grow corn to burn as fuel in our cars and all it does is raise our food prices and certainly hasn't done anything to lower fuel costs. Even with the subsidies it still costs more to use E85 instead of regular gasoline.
Not to mention that corn based ethanol is farking stupid in the first place. Takes as much energy to produce it as it provides... so you end up in the same place as if you didn't produce it in the first place... except now by producing it, you've driven the price or corn (beef, pork, anything else that uses corn) up as well.

At least sugar cane based ethanol yields something like a 3:1 ratio over the energy that is consumed to produce it. We'd be able to get tons of sugar based ethanol from Brazil if the gov't didn't put sky high tariffs on it to drive the cost up as they try and promote the corn based crap.

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Curtieson
10-08-2012 at 02:26 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:26 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
you should do a search about how many private sectors get funding and tax credits by our gov't
Everything in the country gets tax credits, what do you think Deductions are? We need to get rid of all of that?

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But to say PBS is pure gov't funding is nonsense.
So, you agree they would be fine with out the small government funding they receive.
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veritablequandary
10-08-2012 at 02:27 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:27 PM.
Oscar the Grouch needs to get a job! Whip Bert and Ernie are living in sin!
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AngryPirate
10-08-2012 at 02:28 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:28 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
the same reason why gov't pay for education of children....

if you got money you get to go to a private school, if you can't afford a private school, you can at least go to a crappy school...

At the end at least no one remains uneducated..

So what type of things you think the gov't should only fund?
The government (in itself) cannot fund shit. It is not a business and does not make money. The government is meant to reallocate what WE pay in taxes. I.e, we don't pay taxes, where do they get money from? It is OUR money that gets misappropriated and thieved every day. We give them more credit then they deserve.
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lerlerler
10-08-2012 at 02:28 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:28 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Every once in a while Ryu stumbles on to something intelligent. Most people that bring up the oil industry don't have a clue what they are even talking about when it comes to government subsidies but that is a whole different topic.

Why should the government be subsidizing any private industry? They give money to the farmers to grow corn to burn as fuel in our cars and all it does is raise our food prices and certainly hasn't done anything to lower fuel costs. Even with the subsidies it still costs more to use E85 instead of regular gasoline.

The biggest argument I hear in defending PBS is a list of shows and how great they are. And I agree with many of them. To me that says that they should be able to generate enough revenue to stay on the air. I would be willing to bet that without continuing to get the free ride they get now that the shows would get even better and would reach an even larger audience?

For people wanting to continue the subsidies, why do you favor limiting the audience to what it is now instead of trying to expand it to reach even more people?

Could Sesame Street compete without subsidy? Sure, BUT then they would have commercials. The wonderful thing is being able to show kids TV without the crappy commercials. YEs, MY kids watch commercial freee stuff on Netflix but poor kids?
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10-08-2012 at 02:30 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:30 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
The biggest argument I hear in defending PBS is a list of shows and how great they are. And I agree with many of them. To me that says that they should be able to generate enough revenue to stay on the air. I would be willing to bet that without continuing to get the free ride they get now that the shows would get even better and would reach an even larger audience?
I'm inclined to think the shows would probably get worse as the network goons come in and try to make them appeal to the lowest common denominator... you know, the type that thinks PBS is all high-falutin' and boring.
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Ryu-bom
10-08-2012 at 02:30 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:30 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Every once in a while Ryu stumbles on to something intelligent. Most people that bring up the oil industry don't have a clue what they are even talking about when it comes to government subsidies but that is a whole different topic.

Why should the government be subsidizing any private industry? They give money to the farmers to grow corn to burn as fuel in our cars and all it does is raise our food prices and certainly hasn't done anything to lower fuel costs. Even with the subsidies it still costs more to use E85 instead of regular gasoline.

The biggest argument I hear in defending PBS is a list of shows and how great they are. And I agree with many of them. To me that says that they should be able to generate enough revenue to stay on the air. I would be willing to bet that without continuing to get the free ride they get now that the shows would get even better and would reach an even larger audience?

For people wanting to continue the subsidies, why do you favor limiting the audience to what it is now instead of trying to expand it to reach even more people?
Food prices has increased not because corn is being used as fuel, but because people growing corn stop growing other crops..

Everything we eat has corn, we even put corn in our liquid refreshment.. If you only eat a corn based diet, you don't have to spend much.. If you want to try other types of veggies, be ready to pay more.


Now if you watch PBS, you would know when they say a show is a hour long, it is a HOUR long, not like those hour long shows on other channels that is really like 45mins or less, because of commericals ...

Sure PBS can survive without gov't funding, then you just get bombarded with shitty commercials. Big Bird will be selling you soda and Oscar will be selling garbage Hefty cans and bags
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10-08-2012 at 02:33 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:33 PM.
Amen! woot
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happyhunting
10-08-2012 at 02:33 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:33 PM.
Quote from AngryPirate :
The government (in itself) cannot fund shit. It is not a business and does not make money. The government is meant to reallocate what WE pay in taxes. I.e, we don't pay taxes, where do they get money from? It is OUR money that gets misappropriated and thieved every day. We give them more credit then they deserve.
Thank you for this one. I was just typing out something similar to respond and saw this one. I guess I am just tired of hearing about all the things the government pays for and having to say WTF? Who really gets an advantage this being paid for with our tax money.

Ryu- The public education system is something completely different than sesame street. One is necessary and the other is just filler to waste part of a day. (exception being childrens programs, which are also provided by other carriers that most people pay for anyway)
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SureJuJu
10-08-2012 at 02:36 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:36 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
How clueless does someone have to be to conclude that Romney doesn't like PBS?

The point is that we shouldn't be borrowing money from China to fund it. If there is so much support for it and the shows are something that people want to watch then PBS should easily be able to generate the funding it needs to keep it on the air without subsidies from the government.

Forcing PBS to compete with other stations would likely even improve programming and improve the quality of the shows that are aired. Currently there is no need to step up and make improvements because the money is going to keep rolling in from the government no matter how little effort they put in.

It's a lot like General Motors. They got into trouble by making cars for years that nobody wanted to buy. Instead of letting GM fail and forcing them to restructure under Chapter 11 and change the way they do business Obama bails them out with taxpayer money and essentially gives more power to the unions and "saves the auto industry" And what happens? GM continues to build cars that nobody wants to buy like the Chevy Volt and the only way to get people to buy them is to subsidize the sales with even more taxpayer money and money borrowed from China.

PBS has plenty of good shows that should be popular enough to compete with other stations. I say give them a chance to prove they are worth keeping around without the subsidies.
Amen! woot
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10-08-2012 at 02:51 PM.
10-08-2012 at 02:51 PM.
I'm ok with giving them my 50 cents, and yours

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shhaggy
10-08-2012 at 03:00 PM.
10-08-2012 at 03:00 PM.
Quote from The Raddish :
This is the problem with the argument, as Romney said no such thing, though that it how the argument has been framed by Romney's detractors.

It's an example that was made to get the discussion going about the role of government. I think that Romney is right, and eliminating funding to many, many federal programs is going to help us get on the path to solvency, but he most certainly did not say that cutting government funds to PBS would balance the budget. Anyone making that claim is being disingenuous at best.
But it's not even a legitimate piece of the puzzle IMO. It makes for a nice sound byte when you take the "every little bit counts" approach, but it's BS, plain and simple. The very notion that PBS should have it's funding cut implies that PBS is part of the problem. It's not. PBS has been around a really long time, through economic booms and busts. Target the actual problems, like outrageous defense spending, and maybe we'll get somewhere.
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shhaggy
10-08-2012 at 03:04 PM.
10-08-2012 at 03:04 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
Forcing PBS to compete with other stations would likely even improve programming and improve the quality of the shows that are aired. Currently there is no need to step up and make improvements because the money is going to keep rolling in from the government no matter how little effort they put in.
Unlikely. Quality and in-demand are not synonyms. Consider this:

http://i.imgur.com/kQPEp.png

Now, obviously that's a joke, but the underlying point does hold up. The free market does not give you "quality" shows. It gives you Snooki.
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Iaaaiws
10-08-2012 at 03:26 PM.
10-08-2012 at 03:26 PM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Unlikely. Quality and in-demand are not synonyms. Consider this:

http://i.imgur.com/kQPEp.png

Now, obviously that's a joke, but the underlying point does hold up. The free market does not give you "quality" shows. It gives you Snooki.
So just to be clear, your argument is that there are no quality shows in the free market? Just want to be sure that is the point you are making.
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