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Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

559 41 August 30, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Original article from Lexington Herald Leader [kentucky.com]
Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

WANTS CHANGE IN POLICY AFTER BEING TOLD TO COVER HERSELF

By Linda B. Blackford
[email protected]

Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff
David Stephenson | Staff
Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff

In June, Brooke Ryan walked into a Nicholasville Road Applebee's restaurant to celebrate an anniversary lunch with her children.

She walked out humiliated, in tears and without the lunch.

But the incident over breast-feeding her 7-month-old son at Applebee's has spurred the soft-spoken 34-year-old to start a public awareness campaign on the rights of breast-feeding women in Kentucky.

"On a small scale, I want Applebee's to change its policy," Ryan said. "On a large scale ... I want breast-feeding to be accepted."

The dispute with Applebee's began June 14. Ryan chose a booth in the back of the restaurant away from other customers. When her baby, Michael, got hungry, she began to nurse him discreetly, she said.

But a waitress came over and said that if she wanted to breast-feed, she had to cover the baby with a blanket. Ryan said it was so hot that she didn't have a blanket. The waitress then repeated her request. Ryan said she then asked to see the manager and handed him a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a woman breast-feeding her baby in public.

The manager said he knew about the law but a customer had complained about indecent exposure, so she had to cover the baby with a blanket.

Ryan left as her food came, to nurse her baby in the car.

Her lawyer wrote a letter to Thomas & King, the company that operates Applebee's in Central Kentucky. They got no response. After a second letter, a Thomas & King lawyer said the restaurant chain would consider keeping blankets in the restaurant so that breast-feeding women could cover themselves.

"That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

When contacted yesterday, Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas & King, said he didn't know about the incident. However, he called the Herald-Leader back to say that Applebee's had no policy against breast-feeding.

"It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."

Ryan says that as an experienced breast-feeder, she is extremely modest, and, in that instance, made sure that she was facing into the corner.

"Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," said her husband, Michael Ryan.

Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, who sponsored the breast-feeding protection bill, agrees.

"She was not treated right under the new law," he said. "There should have been no comment made to her at all; the restaurant overstepped its boundaries. There's no way they can explain their way out of this."

Thirty-nine states, including Kentucky, allow women to breast-feed in any public or private location.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends exclusive breast-feeding for about the first six months and support for breast-feeding for the first year and beyond as long as mutually desired by mother and child. But according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 11 percent of mothers meet the six-month mark. Thirty percent breast-feed exclusively for the first three months. Kentucky's rates are 7.5 percent and 25 percent, respectively, according to a 2007 report.

Scanlon suggested that Ryan had an "agenda."

"I note with interest that she had a copy of the statute with her," he said. "I'm glad to let this become a matter that we can all learn from."

But if all Ryan wanted going into Applebee's was an anniversary lunch, she may indeed have an agenda now.

August is World Breast-feeding Awareness Month, and Ryan has organized two related public events:

• A "Nurse-In" at the children's play area at Fayette Mall from 1-3 p.m. Saturday. Ryan says the mall is not a target, but has a place for kids to play.

• From noon to 2 p.m. Sept. 8, she is holding a "Nurse Out" with posters and breast-feeding in front of the Applebee's on Nicholasville Road.

She's also asking for a public apology from Applebee's and training for its employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. Some day, she says, she would like to see the international breast-feeding symbol of a mother and child in every restaurant that supports the practice.

"I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."

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Reach Linda Blackford at (859) 231-1359 or [email protected].



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08-30-2007 at 12:32 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:32 PM.
Quote from Melmo :
Actually it does...it says that it will not be considered indecent exposure if she bears her breast to feed. nowhere does it say she has to cover up
Nono2 you're trying to read between the lines. it does not say ANYTHING about covering up.

If I were a woman and would plop out my double D sized breast and feed the kid with my breast hanging out, but the nipple would be closed, that would be considered decent? Nono2 It would be considered decent though if I tried to cover up at least somewhat
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08-30-2007 at 12:32 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:32 PM.
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I am personally offended by seeing someone feed their baby formula. Breastfeeding has been shown clearly and consistently to be infinitely better for the child, and barring uncommon complications, it seems to be an act of selfishness not to give your baby the very best start in life. I am offended-but if I complain, do you think the manager would ask a bottlefeeder to cover their baby up so I don't have to see?
It all boils down to seeing breasts as primarily sexual objects; when they are meant to be primarily for feeding. Yes, some people see them as only sexual-but if some people have a foot fetish, all people should not be required to cover their feet to prevent them from being aroused. It is their respoonsibility to control themselves-whether there are bare feet around or not. Same thing with breasts. I really don't see why a female breast has to be covered when a make breast does not. Very little aesthetic difference.
Are you female? Please submit a pic of you breastfeeding then.
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08-30-2007 at 12:32 PM.
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Quote from averyzoe :
I am personally offended by seeing someone feed their baby formula. Breastfeeding has been shown clearly and consistently to be infinitely better for the child, and barring uncommon complications, it seems to be an act of selfishness not to give your baby the very best start in life. I am offended-but if I complain, do you think the manager would ask a bottlefeeder to cover their baby up so I don't have to see?
It all boils down to seeing breasts as primarily sexual objects; when they are meant to be primarily for feeding. Yes, some people see them as only sexual-but if some people have a foot fetish, all people should not be required to cover their feet to prevent them from being aroused. It is their respoonsibility to control themselves-whether there are bare feet around or not. Same thing with breasts. I really don't see why a female breast has to be covered when a make breast does not. Very little aesthetic difference.
I could not breast feed. I tried and tried but due to ...physical reasons, I could not breast feed. So please do not look down on all women that bottle feed.
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08-30-2007 at 12:33 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:33 PM.
Quote from IVIax :
Nono2 you're trying to read between the lines. it does not say ANYTHING about covering up.

If I were a woman and would plop out my double D sized breast and feed the kid with my breast hanging out, but the nipple would be closed, that would be considered decent? Nono2 It would be considered decent though if I tried to cover up at least somewhat
drool
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08-30-2007 at 12:34 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:34 PM.
Quote from TigerStar :
drool
laugh out loud I'm not female though, and yes I do know how to argue both sides of the argument.

I do stand on the side that should let her breastfeed in public without having to cover up though.
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08-30-2007 at 12:35 PM.
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Quote from IVIax :
laugh out loud I'm not female though, and yes I do know how to argue both sides of the argument.

I do stand on the side that should let her breastfeed in public without having to cover up though.
Everyone has their faults.
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08-30-2007 at 12:35 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:35 PM.
There. Oooh... it's so obscene. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) The pink you see is my son's face. He was 3 days old in this picture.

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08-30-2007 at 12:36 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:36 PM.
Quote from averyzoe :
picture:

http://www.noodad.com/cms/images/...small1.jpg

That is YOU??

Quote from AggieMomx2 :
There. Oooh... it's so obscene. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) The pink you see is my son's face. He was 3 days old in this picture.

From the side please since if we were in a restaurant it would be a side view.

Nice pic BTW.
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08-30-2007 at 12:39 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:39 PM.
Same day, same kid.

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08-30-2007 at 12:39 PM.
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Quote from Melmo :
I could not breast feed. I tried and tried but due to ...physical reasons, I could not breast feed. So please do not look down on all women that bottle feed.
I don't-merely trying to prove the point that women who choose to bottlefeed do not face the same restrictions. I think people should be allowed to feed their babies-right now those who breastfeed are discriminated against and those who bottlefeed are not.
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08-30-2007 at 12:41 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:41 PM.
Quote from Peachyum :
That's like, oh I don't know, hypocritical of ya? You don't want anyone looking at your wife but you've no problem with looking at other women? Slap <-- that's on her behalf. Harhar
lol....i was joking!
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08-30-2007 at 12:43 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:43 PM.
This is working. Hmmm


Now show one with the shirt off.

Hey, can't hurt to ask Evillaugh
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08-30-2007 at 12:46 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:46 PM.
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Some men can handle these things. They realize it is what it is... Their child having a meal. They can separate the two in their minds, luckily. My husband is fortunately one of them.

As Kimber said, I know that no one will change their mind about this, but I did feel the need to voice my thoughts on it. I just get tired of having to defend feeding my child.
I think you're missing my point. I have no problems with my wife breastfeeding. HOWEVER, I'll be blunt with you. Other men who see another woman breastfeeding will see just one thing......WOW, free boobie show! That's men for you! It does NOT matter if the act is a "beautiful" and "natural" thing. It's still nudity and it's still breasts.

As some have stated too, the whole female form is beautiful and natural to me too. Yet, there are laws against public nudity. Just because it's in the act of breastfeeding doesn't make nudity ok. Sex is a beautiful and natural thing too.....the same argument applies!
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08-30-2007 at 12:46 PM.
08-30-2007 at 12:46 PM.
Quote from TigerStar :
This is working. Hmmm


Now show one with the shirt off.

Hey, can't hurt to ask Evillaugh
LMAO Funny. The only reason I posted them at all was to show that even an inexperienced breastfeeder can do it discreetly. That was my first son, he was 3 days old and I was in the depths of PPD - which would be why I look so miserable. That and I'd been cut in two 3 days prior and it kinda hurt.
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