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Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

559 41 August 30, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Original article from Lexington Herald Leader [kentucky.com]
Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

WANTS CHANGE IN POLICY AFTER BEING TOLD TO COVER HERSELF

By Linda B. Blackford
[email protected]

Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff
David Stephenson | Staff
Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff

In June, Brooke Ryan walked into a Nicholasville Road Applebee's restaurant to celebrate an anniversary lunch with her children.

She walked out humiliated, in tears and without the lunch.

But the incident over breast-feeding her 7-month-old son at Applebee's has spurred the soft-spoken 34-year-old to start a public awareness campaign on the rights of breast-feeding women in Kentucky.

"On a small scale, I want Applebee's to change its policy," Ryan said. "On a large scale ... I want breast-feeding to be accepted."

The dispute with Applebee's began June 14. Ryan chose a booth in the back of the restaurant away from other customers. When her baby, Michael, got hungry, she began to nurse him discreetly, she said.

But a waitress came over and said that if she wanted to breast-feed, she had to cover the baby with a blanket. Ryan said it was so hot that she didn't have a blanket. The waitress then repeated her request. Ryan said she then asked to see the manager and handed him a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a woman breast-feeding her baby in public.

The manager said he knew about the law but a customer had complained about indecent exposure, so she had to cover the baby with a blanket.

Ryan left as her food came, to nurse her baby in the car.

Her lawyer wrote a letter to Thomas & King, the company that operates Applebee's in Central Kentucky. They got no response. After a second letter, a Thomas & King lawyer said the restaurant chain would consider keeping blankets in the restaurant so that breast-feeding women could cover themselves.

"That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

When contacted yesterday, Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas & King, said he didn't know about the incident. However, he called the Herald-Leader back to say that Applebee's had no policy against breast-feeding.

"It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."

Ryan says that as an experienced breast-feeder, she is extremely modest, and, in that instance, made sure that she was facing into the corner.

"Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," said her husband, Michael Ryan.

Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, who sponsored the breast-feeding protection bill, agrees.

"She was not treated right under the new law," he said. "There should have been no comment made to her at all; the restaurant overstepped its boundaries. There's no way they can explain their way out of this."

Thirty-nine states, including Kentucky, allow women to breast-feed in any public or private location.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends exclusive breast-feeding for about the first six months and support for breast-feeding for the first year and beyond as long as mutually desired by mother and child. But according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 11 percent of mothers meet the six-month mark. Thirty percent breast-feed exclusively for the first three months. Kentucky's rates are 7.5 percent and 25 percent, respectively, according to a 2007 report.

Scanlon suggested that Ryan had an "agenda."

"I note with interest that she had a copy of the statute with her," he said. "I'm glad to let this become a matter that we can all learn from."

But if all Ryan wanted going into Applebee's was an anniversary lunch, she may indeed have an agenda now.

August is World Breast-feeding Awareness Month, and Ryan has organized two related public events:

• A "Nurse-In" at the children's play area at Fayette Mall from 1-3 p.m. Saturday. Ryan says the mall is not a target, but has a place for kids to play.

• From noon to 2 p.m. Sept. 8, she is holding a "Nurse Out" with posters and breast-feeding in front of the Applebee's on Nicholasville Road.

She's also asking for a public apology from Applebee's and training for its employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. Some day, she says, she would like to see the international breast-feeding symbol of a mother and child in every restaurant that supports the practice.

"I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."

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Reach Linda Blackford at (859) 231-1359 or [email protected].



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rally.sport
08-31-2007 at 07:46 AM.
08-31-2007 at 07:46 AM.
Quote from Tinman :
You ever breastfed in public? Have you ever been confronted while breastfeeding in public? This is probably not the first time she was confronted, had gotten tired of the confrontations and had the pamphlet with her because of prior confrontations.
This is not an excuse. If you are consistently doing something, anything, in public that draws confrontations, then maybe you should reconsider whatever it is that you are doing.
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08-31-2007 at 07:53 AM.
08-31-2007 at 07:53 AM.
Seriously the poll is extremely offensive. Can you add, none of the above because this poll sucks?
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DieselJunkie
08-31-2007 at 07:53 AM.
08-31-2007 at 07:53 AM.
Quote from rally.sport :
This is not an excuse. If you are consistently doing something, anything, in public that draws confrontations, then maybe you should reconsider whatever it is that you are doing.

Maybe people in general should lighten-up on the entire brestfeeding issue, and reconsidering feeding your child is not an option. DW is very discrete, and covered and has been asked by passers-by to stop, or she has overheard comments from passers-by. Why, because they can see the babies head, or the blanket is knitted and has holes (like this)



It is just a breastfeeding mom, who is covered up and discrete, but the comments get made anyway. Society in general does not accept breastfeeding in public.
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Sheepboy
08-31-2007 at 07:56 AM.
08-31-2007 at 07:56 AM.
well, if people gave me some serious options, i will modify the poll.

with the exception of Celery, those are the options i have gleaned out of the 16 pages of text
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RugratsGalore
08-31-2007 at 07:56 AM.
08-31-2007 at 07:56 AM.
Since when did breastfeeding become disrespectful? Where in that article did it say she was exposing herself to a roomful of strangers? She was in a corner booth, minding her own business and feeding her baby. She wasn't running around Applebee's with her breasts hanging out and sticking them in the other customers faces.

The fact that some people can't help but stare is THEIR issue. My mother taught me when I was younger that it isn't polite to stare at others, as a matter of fact, it's rude. So who is the rude and disrespectful one in the restaurant? The ones staring or the one quietly feeding her hungry baby in the corner?

Quote from Kristin :
There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding or doing it in public - and Applebees never disputed that. She was never asked to stop nourishing her child, only to conduct herself in a respectable manner. Is being uncovered and exposing yourself to a room full of strangers a breastfeeding requirement? If a woman is discrete and covers herself, the baby still eats - therefore, asking her to be discrete was in no way interfering with the act of breastfeeding, IMO.

This woman was completely out of line. No agenda my butt. She went in with no blanket but sure didn't forget to bring her pamphlet - it's like she was hoping for a confrontation. If she had conducted herself in a respectable manner to begin with there never would have been an issue - and mothers... how many of you pack a diaper bag and don't bring so much as a receiving blanket for burping? Think about it. I also agree with the poster who commented on Applebees' climate control - those places are usually on the cold side if anything, and if you're sitting under a vent God help you!

It's not about society's view on breasts, the fact that some people can't help but stare, the fact that exposing yourself is against some people's religious beliefs, or the fact that some children haven't learned about the birds and the bees yet. The bottom line is that there was no good reason for her not to exercise her rights as a breastfeeding mother in a respectable manner - aside from her own agenda. Breastfeed away, just exercise some restraint and common decency in your actions - the same expectation that is placed upon every single one of us in everything that we do.
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JackHandey
08-31-2007 at 07:57 AM.
08-31-2007 at 07:57 AM.
Quote from Tinman :
You ever breastfed in public? Have you ever been confronted while breastfeeding in public? This is probably not the first time she was confronted, had gotten tired of the confrontations and had the pamphlet with her because of prior confrontations.
True, but if she has been confronted on numerous occasions, perhaps she should have had a pillowcase or small blanket handy. Take a look at the poll. Even it has an obvious agenda.
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Brynn
08-31-2007 at 07:59 AM.
08-31-2007 at 07:59 AM.
I find it disgusting and offensive when a person at a restaurant talks with their mouth completely full or chews with their mouth wide-open, but I don't let that ruin my meal. I can handle focusing my attention to my own table.
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RugratsGalore
08-31-2007 at 08:00 AM.
08-31-2007 at 08:00 AM.
Quote from rally.sport :
This is not an excuse. If you are consistently doing something, anything, in public that draws confrontations, then maybe you should reconsider whatever it is that you are doing.
So, because OTHERS have an issue with breastfeeding, people should stop doing it? I would guess you're a follower and not a leader in life.
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Melmo
08-31-2007 at 08:00 AM.
08-31-2007 at 08:00 AM.
Quote from hawaiiandawn :
This doesn't always work. My oldest nursed every two hours. There is no way you can compare a bottle fed child on a schedule to a nursed child. It just doesn't compare.
Then go in that 2 hour time frame in between?
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RugratsGalore
08-31-2007 at 08:01 AM.
08-31-2007 at 08:01 AM.
Quote from MrsMcDreamy :
I find it disgusting and offensive when a person at a restaurant talks with their mouth completely full or chews with their mouth wide-open, but I don't let that ruin my meal. I can handle focusing my attention to my own table.
*GASP* Next time tell them you are offended and make them cover their mouth with a blanket laugh out loud

PS. I've been MIA since becoming sick so I missed the birth of your baby. Did you have a boy or girl? Name? And a belated congrats!
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n30
08-31-2007 at 08:04 AM.
08-31-2007 at 08:04 AM.
i have to side with applebees on the blanket bit. if that breast milk were to theoretically squirt on a table, floor, plate ...etc, that's a MAJOR sanitary issue.
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Just Peachy
08-31-2007 at 08:07 AM.
08-31-2007 at 08:07 AM.
Quote from n30 :
i have to side with applebees on the blanket bit. if that breast milk were to theoretically squirt on a table, floor, plate ...etc, that's a MAJOR sanitary issue.

Not that I disagree on your points, but breastmilk "squirting" isn't any more of a biohazard than someone sneezing and not covering their mouths. The chances that a person would actually come in contact with a womans breastmilk are practically nil compared to coming into contact with a noncovered sneezer.
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08-31-2007 at 08:07 AM.
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Quote from n30 :
i have to side with applebees on the blanket bit. if that breast milk were to theoretically squirt on a table, floor, plate ...etc, that's a MAJOR sanitary issue.
Ok, that's one the LAMEST excuses I have seen yet in this thread! What about those (gasp! ADULTS even) that have a cough and spread their germs around??? AND, furthermore, that would be an issue Applebee's has for not properly cleaning the tables after each customer has finished.
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rally.sport
08-31-2007 at 08:07 AM.
08-31-2007 at 08:07 AM.
Quote from RugratsGalore :
So, because OTHERS have an issue with breastfeeding, people should stop doing it? I would guess you're a rational thinker and not a rebel in life.
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08-31-2007 at 08:09 AM.
08-31-2007 at 08:09 AM.
Quote from arjunsr :
why is anyone who agrees she needs to cover up automatically against breast feeding?
Quote from Autumn :
I think there is a difference between moms who nurse their kids discreetly and that's that and those that turn it into a whole crusade.

Then there are those that have to make it an in your face crusade..where they go out and almost dare anyone to say something against them. That's what bugs me.
Quote from Kristin :
There is nothing wrong with breastfeeding or doing it in public - and Applebees never disputed that. She was never asked to stop nourishing her child, only to conduct herself in a respectable manner. Is being uncovered and exposing yourself to a room full of strangers a breastfeeding requirement? If a woman is discrete and covers herself, the baby still eats - therefore, asking her to be discrete was in no way interfering with the act of breastfeeding, IMO.

It's not about society's view on breasts, the fact that some people can't help but stare, the fact that exposing yourself is against some people's religious beliefs, or the fact that some children haven't learned about the birds and the bees yet. The bottom line is that there was no good reason for her not to exercise her rights as a breastfeeding mother in a respectable manner - aside from her own agenda. Breastfeed away, just exercise some restraint and common decency in your actions - the same expectation that is placed upon every single one of us in everything that we do.
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