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Santa Barbara murders

12,104 277 May 26, 2014 at 05:56 AM in News (2)
Hundreds gathered at a memorial service Sunday night to mourn six young people killed two nights earlier by a gunman in a California college town.


Elliot Rodger, 22, the son of a Hollywood director, fatally stabbed three people in his apartment before shooting dead three others on Friday in Isla Vista, near the University of California at Santa Barbara campus. He then shot himself.
Rodger killed two women and four men, aged 19 to 22, and wounded 13 people, including eight who he shot as he sped through town in his black BMW, exchanging fire with police, authorities said.
Minutes before opening fire the former community college student emailed his plans to some 30 people including his mother, father and former teachers, said Cathleen Bloeser, whose son was a childhood friend of Rodger and received a copy.
Rodger stated his intention to kill his housemates, lure others to his home to continue the mayhem then slaughter women in a sorority and bring his spree to the streets of Isla Vista.
The manifesto, which details Rodger's fear that his guns might have been discovered when police visited him less than a month ago, was not the first indication of a troubled mind.

Linky [chicagotribune.com]


Am I the only one who sees the results of raising a self-esteem based "everyone gets a trophy" generation here? When everyone gets a trophy and every child is constantly told that they are special and everything they do is amazing, they never learn how to deal with rejection and failure. Failure is part of life and shielding children from it to preserve their self esteem is like smothering your child in antibiotics their whole life to protect them from getting sick and then wondering why they have no immune system when they grow up. If a child never learns how to cope with losing and being wrong, when they reach adulthood they don't have the mental faculties to deal with the failure they will invariably encounter in their adult lives. The guy who shot those innocent people in Santa Barbara claims that it was revenge for being rejected by the girls and the popular kids at his college. I was rejected by girls and popular kids my entire life and shooting a bunch of people never entered my mind. Maybe instead of giving our kids a trophy when they lose, we should teach them that losing is a part of life and give them the tools that they need to cope with failure, learn from it, and then get on with their lives.

Just a thought.



I hope this thread doesn't end up in The Place That Shall Not Be Named.

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05-26-2014 at 05:55 PM.
05-26-2014 at 05:55 PM.
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05-27-2014 at 06:20 AM.
05-27-2014 at 06:20 AM.
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his 137 page manifesto can be found here [documentcloud.org].
Link is dead. Crying2
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05-27-2014 at 07:44 AM.
05-27-2014 at 07:44 AM.
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here's a PDF download link of the manifesto [scribd.com]
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J03
05-27-2014 at 07:54 AM.
05-27-2014 at 07:54 AM.
Quote from cav :
here's a PDF download link of the manifesto [scribd.com]
This is beyond tl;dr. Watched a couple of his youtube videos and know all I need to about this looney toon former waste of space.

Some how feminist groups have managed to take this and turn it into a conversation about how women are objectified on college campuses. Man can those women spin ANYTHING into a feminist cause...
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05-27-2014 at 08:01 AM.
05-27-2014 at 08:01 AM.
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This is beyond tl;dr. Watched a couple of his youtube videos and know all I need to about this looney toon former waste of space.

Some how feminist groups have managed to take this and turn it into a conversation about how women are objectified on college campuses. Man can those women spin ANYTHING into a feminist cause...
some people enjoy reading such material. thus the reason I posted it. like reading a serial killer's biography.
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05-27-2014 at 08:06 AM.
05-27-2014 at 08:06 AM.
I particularly enjoyed the portion where the guy, in his drunkenness, was an obnoxious dolt, yet again it was not his fault he got his ass kicked for being such...
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05-27-2014 at 02:05 PM.
05-27-2014 at 02:05 PM.
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I particularly enjoyed the portion where the guy, in his drunkenness, was an obnoxious dolt, yet again it was not his fault he got his ass kicked for being such...
From what I read in a summary, he wasn't just being an obnoxious dolt, he was trying to physically push women off a 10 foot ledge. It's just too bad he didn't land head first when he fell off that ledge or 6 people might still be alive today.
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05-27-2014 at 02:40 PM.
05-27-2014 at 02:40 PM.
I heard in the news that he visited sites for sexually frustrated men. What website is that? Was it 4chan or what?
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Ms.arteest
05-27-2014 at 03:09 PM.
05-27-2014 at 03:09 PM.
Okay, I'll admit that I quit reading around the middle of page two, so I may be repeating some things, but from the perspective of my "advanced years", I think that people have become so desensitized that there, many times, seems only one possible solution. When I was growing up, we didnt have the world served to us through electronics. We went out and interacted with each other. We saw multiple perspectives and we weren't exposed to violence as casually as we are today. Violence meant Vietnam casualties on the news and those were the young men that lived down the block. It meant marches and riots because people needed to be treated like a human beings, and not because someone made more money than you. There is violence everywhere - on TV, in music, in our movies and games, and we are exposed to it in every way. Not the road runner barely missing the anvil, but people running over people in video games, but she was just a hooker, so wtf?

And, yes, I think we coddle our kids too much. They don't know how to brook disapointment or failure. We are taught that failure is bad instead of an opportunity to learn and start anew. Why bother with self-reflection, self-discipline, or personal growth, when a pill will make it go away? We want it bigger, faster and cheaper. We pump our bodies full of chemically enhanced, cheap food, which destroys us from the inside. We want lots of stuff, so we clutter our lives with crappy possessions, and we clutter our brains with visual stimulus instead of quiet time. We are overloaded on every front and we wonder why people go off. Until we step back and realize that no one needs 200 TV channels, or 3 gaming systems, or constant entertainment, our brains will continue to short circuit.

I think that this young man was definitely a product of a high-strung, over-indulged life style and only saw one way out. It's such a shame that he felt the need to take so many down wit him. We used to know how to handle our problems. Now people just lash out. Very sad.
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05-27-2014 at 03:35 PM.
05-27-2014 at 03:35 PM.
Quote from Ms.arteest :

I think that this young man was definitely a product of a high-strung, over-indulged life style and only saw one way out. It's such a shame that he felt the need to take so many down wit him. We used to know how to handle our problems. Now people just lash out. Very sad.
What's very sad is that people used to look at the person to explain why they did something. Now people blame everything BUT the person and you are no exception. This man was severely mentally disturbed. Believe it or not, mentally disturbed people snapped and killed people even in your "utopia" of a time period. The electronics didn't cause him to snap, the electronics caused you to think that they did because 50 years ago (during the war) news of a person killing 6 people wouldn't have made it outside of the news in that very state.
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05-27-2014 at 04:26 PM.
05-27-2014 at 04:26 PM.
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I heard in the news that he visited sites for sexually frustrated men. What website is that? Was it 4chan or what?
PUAhate is the website he visited.
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05-27-2014 at 05:02 PM.
05-27-2014 at 05:02 PM.
Quote from J03 :
What's very sad is that people used to look at the person to explain why they did something. Now people blame everything BUT the person and you are no exception. This man was severely mentally disturbed. Believe it or not, mentally disturbed people snapped and killed people even in your "utopia" of a time period. The electronics didn't cause him to snap, the electronics caused you to think that they did because 50 years ago (during the war) news of a person killing 6 people wouldn't have made it outside of the news in that very state.
Yeah because 50 years ago we didn't have TV stations or newspapers or national news. Wink
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