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Not sure what else can be discussed here.
Fact: balls went outside into approx. 50 degrees with water.
Fact: experiment shows those balls would have deflated by approx. 2 PSI
Unless the experiment was flawed, which apparently it wasn't, and unless the equation used was incorrect (MIT professor said they weren't) then those facts stand.
I'm not as bad as those convicting because I'm merely showing how there's no proof as well as providing factual data to show that the loss of pressure was most likely natural.
Now that's not to say that I can be 100% positive.
I'd say I'm 99.9% sure.
Unless proof arises, they remain innocent until proven guilty and this is nothing but a smear campaign until such time.
Hell the game relies upon things that I would call cheating but is allowed to be part of the game.
All teams on the sidelines looking at overhead shots of formations in real time for example.
IMO, teams should have to analyze formations on the ground to try and figure out what an opponent is doing.
Thing is, all teams are allowed to do it so they each have a chance to gain an advantage from it.
As far as this inflation BS goes, maybe they should let each team choose their own inflation level and thereby leveling the playing field.
As it is they let each team "prepare" the footballs the way they want, rubbing them down, using them, brushing them, etc.
None of that is looked at as giving teams an advantage, I wonder why.
Either way, you need to prove they're cheaters before calling them cheaters.
But, if it turns out that isn't the case and those footballs have always been closely watched over and the Pats intentionally found a way to get past that then they should have this hanging over their heads.
And as I also have said, if this has been something regularly done across the league and it turns out the Colts set it up as a witch hunt then that is just as bad an infraction and they should be strung up themselves.
If nothing can be proven one way or the other (the most likely outcome) then nobody on either side is likely to change what they already believe.
I also think that the refs don't really care that much, so unless there's a big differential in the inflation pressure, they're not going to care. I also question whether or not they even test inflation with a gauge or just by feel.
We've already had a few QBs come out and say they try to push the limits and get away with under- or over-inflated balls. I'm pretty sure you've said before, and I agree, that it's all the difference in the world if the balls were underinflated when inspected, and they got past the refs, or if they were deflated after inspection (assuming it was deliberate underinflation to begin with).
(Not really arguing with you, just continuing the discussion)
Not sure what else can be discussed here.
Either way, you need to prove they're cheaters before calling them cheaters.
If I want to I can call anyone cheaters even if they happen to beat my team fair and square.
An old quote from the racing days long gone by:
"Hey, that guy's cheating!"
"How do you know he's cheating?"
"Because I'm cheating and he just passed me!"
Just a bunch of speculation.
Spygate was another huge dog and pony show.
I'd go into why but you seem to have your mind made up so I wont bother.
"While the evidence thus far supports the conclusion that footballs that were under-inflated were used by the Patriots in the first half, the footballs were properly inflated for the second half and confirmed at the conclusion of the game to have remained properly inflated."
I also think that the refs don't really care that much, so unless there's a big differential in the inflation pressure, they're not going to care. I also question whether or not they even test inflation with a gauge or just by feel.
We've already had a few QBs come out and say they try to push the limits and get away with under- or over-inflated balls. I'm pretty sure you've said before, and I agree, that it's all the difference in the world if the balls were underinflated when inspected, and they got past the refs, or if they were deflated after inspection (assuming it was deliberate underinflation to begin with).
(Not really arguing with you, just continuing the discussion)
Well, I disagreed with the implications bunny was making. But there's only so many times it can be said.
I think the biggest thing to learn from this whole thing is that the rule needs to be changed one way or the other. Either make everyone play with the same footballs prepared the same way, or have enough leeway within the rule so each team can play with a ball they are happy with.
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If I want to I can call anyone cheaters even if they happen to beat my team fair and square.
"Hey, that guy's cheating!"
"How do you know he's cheating?"
"Because I'm cheating and he just passed me!"
Just a bunch of speculation.
Spygate was another huge dog and pony show.
I'd go into why but you seem to have your mind made up so I wont bother.
I don't think that means what you think it means.
Hell the rest the nation is just plain WRONG!
Hell the rest the nation is just plain WRONG!
Hell the rest the nation is just plain WRONG!
I said it was a huge dog and pony show.
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Hell the rest the nation is just plain WRONG!
As for evidence, they have it. 11 out of 12 on the Pats side and 0 on the Colts side.
Also:
http://www.sharpfootba
and
http://www.sharpfootba
But none of that changes that they won fairly on Sunday.