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02-03-2015 at 06:22 AM.
02-03-2015 at 06:22 AM.
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The thing is, some people somehow claim it violates the "integrity" of the game.

But a guy beats a wife and they let him keep playing? Not as big of a deal. Guy beats his kids? Still not as big of a deal. Team with most number of PED violations? No asterisk on their last SB win. Team with a coach who has had wins and rings stripped from him? Gets fined for illegal practicing in the off-season, and coaches the aforementioned PED-leading team? Still no asterisk. But heaven help you if your balls might maybe possibly have a little less air than regulation. Totally cheaters and should have had their SB opportunity ripped from them.

Ray farking Lewis was bitching about how it violates the integrity of the game. RAY LEWIS, the guy who helped his buddies commit murder got off with first-offender probation because he agreed to testify against them, says that a little bit of air in the ball affects the integrity of the game.
"Integrity of the game" is quite possibly the dumbest thing that I have heard during this entire witch hunt. Rofl2

This league has no integrity [usatoday.com]
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02-03-2015 at 10:56 AM.
02-03-2015 at 10:56 AM.
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"Integrity of the game" is quite possibly the dumbest thing that I have heard during this entire witch hunt. Rofl2

This league has no integrity [usatoday.com]
So you criticize the idea of "integrity of the game" and then post a link to something that is different? Thumbup Great argument laugh out loud

Integrity of the game is more basic and applies to the game itself, which in turn falls down to how the game is played and what is acceptable in all levels of the game, from the pros down through college and high school, and finally to the backyards in neighborhoods all across the country.

Integrity of the league is also important but on a different level and obviously is not handled as well as it should be. As far as showing arrest records of NFL players, people in other jobs are arrested for the same things on a daily basis as well but it usually doesn't make a national news story. And some of those people lose their jobs, some don't. I think the NFL should be tougher and more consistent with the way they handle these things, just as they shouldn't ignore things that hurt the game itself.
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02-03-2015 at 12:59 PM.
02-03-2015 at 12:59 PM.
Ehhh. The cheaters were handed the game. Only reason they won was the boneheaded playcall at the end of the game.
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02-03-2015 at 01:52 PM.
02-03-2015 at 01:52 PM.
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Ehhh. The cheaters were handed the game. Only reason they won was the boneheaded playcall at the end of the game.
I wish I had your oracle that can see where there was a guaranteed win if they ran Lynch.

Can you also see lotto numbers? Or is it merely for after-the-fact criticisms?
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02-03-2015 at 03:24 PM.
02-03-2015 at 03:24 PM.
Way to go pats!

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02-03-2015 at 10:14 PM.
02-03-2015 at 10:14 PM.
There is still a little bit of Popcorn left. Whee


Nobody seems to be talking about the real reasons why that last play failed. While I didn't like the call there do seem to be some reasonable arguments for why it was called. I've watched it too many times to count from every angle possible and there are two glaring reasons why it didn't work.

The first and biggest reason it failed: Russell Wilson is too short for that play to work that close to the goal line. I posted not long after that Wilson threw the ball too high and chalked it up to inexperience. But watching the replays, especially the one from behind the play looking at Wilson's back, he is just simply too short to throw that ball any lower and clear both his own line and the defensive line. He is only 5'11" tall. That puts him at a disadvantage for making that play work.

That doesn't mean he is too short to be a successful QB in the NFL, but there are going to be some situations where it will make a difference.

Now, the play still could have been successful if one other thing had happened. Lockette blew it. Once he made the move towards the middle of the field he needed to be moving as fast as he could make those legs go. Instead he is almost just at a jog, while Butler is hauling ass after recognizing the play and realizing he is about to get beat for a touchdown. If Lockette just puts a little more speed into it he gets himself between Butler and the ball and has a chance to make the catch and maybe score.

That play is a designed (legal) pick that is just expected to delay Butler enough to get open. It isn't intended to take Butler right out of the play so they know he is going to be coming. Lockette wastes that split second of delay by Butler by making that weak move towards the middle of the field, and Butler reacts quick enough to get there at the same time as the football. Game over.

And I still don't like the call. Even if Lockette makes the catch there is still a good chance that Butler stops him from getting in the end zone. Then the clock keeps running and it has the same outcome of a running play in the first place if they had just given it to Lynch in the first place.
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02-04-2015 at 02:19 AM.
02-04-2015 at 02:19 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
I wish I had your oracle that can see where there was a guaranteed win if they ran Lynch.

Can you also see lotto numbers? Or is it merely for after-the-fact criticisms?
You are the biggest non-patriot patriot fan I have ever seen.
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Nobody seems to be talking about the real reasons why that last play failed. While I didn't like the call there do seem to be some reasonable arguments for why it was called. I've watched it too many times to count from every angle possible and there are two glaring reasons why it didn't work.

The first and biggest reason it failed: Russell Wilson is too short for that play to work that close to the goal line. I posted not long after that Wilson threw the ball too high and chalked it up to inexperience. But watching the replays, especially the one from behind the play looking at Wilson's back, he is just simply too short to throw that ball any lower and clear both his own line and the defensive line. He is only 5'11" tall. That puts him at a disadvantage for making that play work.

That doesn't mean he is too short to be a successful QB in the NFL, but there are going to be some situations where it will make a difference.

Now, the play still could have been successful if one other thing had happened. Lockette blew it. Once he made the move towards the middle of the field he needed to be moving as fast as he could make those legs go. Instead he is almost just at a jog, while Butler is hauling ass after recognizing the play and realizing he is about to get beat for a touchdown. If Lockette just puts a little more speed into it he gets himself between Butler and the ball and has a chance to make the catch and maybe score.

That play is a designed (legal) pick that is just expected to delay Butler enough to get open. It isn't intended to take Butler right out of the play so they know he is going to be coming. Lockette wastes that split second of delay by Butler by making that weak move towards the middle of the field, and Butler reacts quick enough to get there at the same time as the football. Game over.

And I still don't like the call. Even if Lockette makes the catch there is still a good chance that Butler stops him from getting in the end zone. Then the clock keeps running and it has the same outcome of a running play in the first place if they had just given it to Lynch in the first place.
Yeah that was a terrible call for the Shehawks. Besides the facts that they have one of if the best RB in the game, probably the best power runner in the game and one of the most successful QBs at running the ball in league history but on top of that they threw towards the middle of the field. You either throw back corner or a quick slant on the outside or a quick short out.

I read that Carroll was worried about leaving too much time left for a quick fieldgoal. First a field goal only ties it and I think you have to worry about getting the lead before you can worry about your opponent catching up to you. Second you have to have faith in your defense. Sheattle has a historically good defense, show faith in what got you there.

If I was a Seattle fan I don't think I would ever be able to let this go, they had the game and ended up out smarting themselves.
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02-04-2015 at 08:19 AM.
02-04-2015 at 08:19 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
I wish I had your oracle that can see where there was a guaranteed win if they ran Lynch.

Can you also see lotto numbers? Or is it merely for after-the-fact criticisms?
You honestly think the cheaters would have picked that one play to stop him, when they couldn't stop him all day? Please. Don't need an oracle to see that. Simply law of averages.
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02-04-2015 at 09:28 AM.
02-04-2015 at 09:28 AM.
Quote from jeepdog :
You honestly think the cheaters would have picked that one play to stop him, when they couldn't stop him all day? Please. Don't need an oracle to see that. Simply law of averages.
They didn't stop him all day? Were you watching the same game?

Why did the PEDHawks have to settle for a field goal, again?
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02-04-2015 at 09:47 AM.
02-04-2015 at 09:47 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
They didn't stop him all day? Were you watching the same game?

Why did the PEDHawks have to settle for a field goal, again?
Yeah I watched the same game, but I had my eyes open while watching it. Over 4 yards a carry all day long tells me that not only did he have better rushing stats than the entire cheaters team, but that he could have easily gotten the less than 1 yard needed for the touchdown. He had been getting more than that all day long. In fact he had just gotten 4 yards on the previous rush, and he had 3 downs and 1 timeout to do it. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Dont see why you cant seem to grasp it.
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02-04-2015 at 10:26 AM.
02-04-2015 at 10:26 AM.
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Yeah I watched the same game, but I had my eyes open while watching it. Over 4 yards a carry all day long tells me that not only did he have better rushing stats than the entire cheaters team, but that he could have easily gotten the less than 1 yard needed for the touchdown. He had been getting more than that all day long. In fact he had just gotten 4 yards on the previous rush, and he had 3 downs and 1 timeout to do it. Seems pretty straightforward to me. Dont see why you cant seem to grasp it.
So a 4ypc average means... They never stopped him?

And I see you ignored my very relevant and telling question.

Say, how many of those 3 TDs they had were thrown in?
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02-04-2015 at 10:44 AM.
02-04-2015 at 10:44 AM.
Actually, 3 teams in SB history have come back from 10 points down and won. Last one I recall was the Redskins vs the Broncos when Doug Williams and Timmy Smith led them to 42 unanswered points and the Broncos never scored again.

Regarding Deflategate, scientists have shown that the ball will decrease about 2 lb of pressure going from a 70 degree room to a 50 degree room and with the same wet conditions. So, it's much ado over nothing.

Regarding Spy gate since ppl won't let that go, NFL teams have LONG used the practice of trying to steal opponents' calls and signals. Its part of the game and that's why you always see coaches cover their mouth during games.

So again, much ado over nothing.....and I'm not even a Pats fan!
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02-04-2015 at 10:50 AM.
02-04-2015 at 10:50 AM.
By the way, about the argument that Lynch would have certainly scored from the 1 yd line, I read that according to the stats, Lynch scored only about half the time in those situations. Thus, he has been stopped at the goal line in the past. Its not a guarantee he'll score on one shot.

So, to preserve time, it wasn't a bad idea to try a passing play first to stop the clock if it's incomplete. Then you have 2 more shots to run it in with 1 timeout left. I would have thrown a corner back of the end zone pass though cuz it's safer.
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02-04-2015 at 10:58 AM.
02-04-2015 at 10:58 AM.
Quote from z2g :
By the way, about the argument that Lynch would have certainly scored from the 1 yd line, I read that according to the stats, Lynch scored only about half the time in those situations. Thus, he has been stopped at the goal line in the past. Its not a guarantee he'll score on one shot.

So, to preserve time, it wasn't a bad idea to try a passing play first to stop the clock if it's incomplete. Then you have 2 more shots to run it in with 1 timeout left. I would have thrown a corner back of the end zone pass though cuz it's safer.
Still not a great call. If the pass had not been intercepted Butler would still have been in great position to keep Lockette out of the endzone so the clock would still have kept running.

Better to throw a pass to someone in the endzone so the clock won't be a factor. And then if the receiver isn't open you just throw it out of the back of the endzone and stop the clock.

The play itself is a good play and likely has decent odds of succeeding. But not a great call with the game on the line. Too many risks.
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02-04-2015 at 11:07 AM.
02-04-2015 at 11:07 AM.
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Nobody seems to be talking about the real reasons why that last play failed. While I didn't like the call there do seem to be some reasonable arguments for why it was called. I've watched it too many times to count from every angle possible and there are two glaring reasons why it didn't work.

The first and biggest reason it failed: Russell Wilson is too short for that play to work that close to the goal line. I posted not long after that Wilson threw the ball too high and chalked it up to inexperience. But watching the replays, especially the one from behind the play looking at Wilson's back, he is just simply too short to throw that ball any lower and clear both his own line and the defensive line. He is only 5'11" tall. That puts him at a disadvantage for making that play work.

That doesn't mean he is too short to be a successful QB in the NFL, but there are going to be some situations where it will make a difference.

Now, the play still could have been successful if one other thing had happened. Lockette blew it. Once he made the move towards the middle of the field he needed to be moving as fast as he could make those legs go. Instead he is almost just at a jog, while Butler is hauling ass after recognizing the play and realizing he is about to get beat for a touchdown. If Lockette just puts a little more speed into it he gets himself between Butler and the ball and has a chance to make the catch and maybe score.

That play is a designed (legal) pick that is just expected to delay Butler enough to get open. It isn't intended to take Butler right out of the play so they know he is going to be coming. Lockette wastes that split second of delay by Butler by making that weak move towards the middle of the field, and Butler reacts quick enough to get there at the same time as the football. Game over.

And I still don't like the call. Even if Lockette makes the catch there is still a good chance that Butler stops him from getting in the end zone. Then the clock keeps running and it has the same outcome of a running play in the first place if they had just given it to Lynch in the first place.
You are leaving out the real biggest reason why it failed. Carroll being out-coached:

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Butler remembered being coached for this scenario. He remembered the tattle-tale film sessions, which showed that Seattle liked to stack two wide receivers in the red zone, and run a play where the inside receiver blocks his man hard, pushing him back. Meanwhile, the Seahawks would loop the outside receiver back inside, forcing the cornerback covering him to flow into the path of where the first wideout had engaged his defender.
linly [yahoo.com]

This might also explain why the Pats didn't call a timeout with the clock ticking down. They were probably certain that this was the play that was being called.
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