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By: Gabe Goldberg (SD User: Gabegold)
<strong>February 24, 2010</strong>


For some people, their cable company is "the company they love to hate". Most folks just accept the cable company for what it is, a semi-regulated utility providing useful or necessary services. And the remainder -- often to the mystification of the first group -- just love their company, even singing its praises when cable service is discussed.

To make sense of this variation, remember that cable service is generally provided by regional monopolies, with territories granted by local governments, so features, customer services, and costs indeed vary widely. And even one company's characteristics can vary with geography, depending on factors such as local management, franchise arrangements and fees, and infrastructure age and quality.

<strong>Do your homework and make sure that you're ready to negotiate, not beg</strong>

As early as possible in this process, request your free credit reports and ensure that you're shown as being financially responsible, with all account payments up-to-date. Felicia Blow, Cox Cable's Director of Public Affairs, notes that the better a credit history is, "the more flexibility Cox has in avoiding the customer having to pay deposits and the like to get or restore service".

But separate from everything else is the need to negotiate effectively with the company, whether establishing new service, changing what's provided, or simply haggling for a better deal.

So, prior to any conversation or transaction, do your homework. Understand everything you'll need to consider and perhaps mention: competition to cable services in your area (satellite and over-the-air TV, phone company DSL or FiOS, cell phone service), services offered, service levels (e.g., Internet connection speeds, TV channel bundles), features (telephone caller-id, voicemail, speed dialing, three-way calling, etc.), list prices, bundle discounts, and current or recent promotions offered.

This is complicated enough that you want to get it right, selecting no more or less than what you need and want, while paying the best price possible. So start with a list (or, better, a spreadsheet) showing what to discuss, each item's relative importance to you, the cable company's quoted price, and any available bundles or promotions.

<strong>Make sure that you're not buying more services than you need</strong>

Just as a retired couple likely doesn't need a seven-passenger SUV and a young singleton won't rent a McMansion, don't get carried away by glittering features and services. Cox's Blow suggests remembering your "station in life" before ordering the fastest Internet connection if you'll just send email and do light Web surfing, though if you have far-flung family, a generous phone package might ultimately save money. Similarly, a killer online gamer might go for blazing DOCSIS 3.0 Internet bandwidth and skip phone service entirely, depending on cell phone connectivity.

Bundles -- combination service packages costing less than the sum of their individual components -- can save or waste money. Think carefully about whether it's worth spending more money to save some, or whether better value comes from mixing-and-matching bits from multiple providers.

Consider freebies offered but remember that they only have value if they're useful. Internet services may include spam filtering, security tools, parental controls, anti-virus, anti-spyware, etc., but compare their quality to other free and fee tools to ensure that you're getting best of breed. If you won't use them, don't let a cable rep seduce you into paying premium prices because they're included.

You'll likely be offered prepaid protection for inside cable facilities. Unless you're aware of problems, it's usually best to decline this -- it's essentially overpriced insurance against rare problems with cable wiring. The company is responsible for connectivity to your dwelling's main termination, and will usually address (Internet, TV, phone) signal quality issues at no cost. But check with neighbors regarding company service and fee policies regarding inside work.

<strong>Even customers can negotiate</strong>

Once you're a customer, you're not done chatting with your CableCo. Don't suffer service problems or billing issues silently, or just gripe to friends and neighbors. Cable companies understand they've had public relations problems and work to be better liked. Online services such as real-time customer service chats may resolve problems at 3 am. And some companies have online monitors watching for complaints in forums and on Twitter.

Even satisfied customers benefit from occasionally evaluating services and adding/deleting features, and calling to request lower prices can cut monthly bills. This can involve citing competitive services -- for example, if your neighborhood has just been wired for FiOS with promotional rates offered, you can threaten to terminate service unless the lower price is matched.

Make this more credible by mentioning that you're not tied to CableCo email addresses; note that you use Webmail service accessible through any ISP or that you have your own domain (both of which are good practices to avoid having to change email addresses when moving from one company's territory to another!). If you've suffered problems or outages, suggest that it's only fair for you to be compensated by lower rates.

You may be required to commit to service for some period in order to have fees reduced. I was able to reduce my monthly Internet cost $20, to $29.99, while getting about 30Mbps download and 3.5Mbps upload speeds -- hardly shabby, and worth agreeing to stick around for a year. If you're content to remain a customer and don't expect to move soon, that's a good bargain. Of course, watch the calendar and haggle again if your rate ever increases.

Finally, if you work with a competent and helpful rep -- whether for initial orders, account changes, service or billing issues -- ask for direct contact information, both telephone number and email address. It's immensely helpful having continuity in dealing with normally faceless businesses, and service providers increasingly recognize how much personal service improves customer satisfaction. Not all companies or reps provide this, but -- as with everything else this article suggests -- it can't hurt to ask.

<em>Gabriel Goldberg is a technology consultant, writer, and editor. As one of two guides on AARP's Computers and Technology Web site, he wrote feature articles and answered Web board questions; he's also done this for other senior/boomer venues and AOL. He edited and wrote an IBM technology magazine and contributes to trade and consumer publications such as the Washington Post. He's written for newsletters published by EEI Communications' and Computer Economics. He has written/edited industry/vendor white papers and co-edited and wrote three technology books published by McGraw-Hill. As Media Fellow at the University of Maryland's Human-Computer Interaction Laboratory, he profiles research efforts. He's acquired many friends and clients through personal networking. Gabe likes translating jargon and techno-babble into clear English, and enjoys explaining gadgets and wizardry as a radio and television show guest. Previously, he was Vice President at a small software company and also worked at IBM and in the leading-edge data center of a high-tech not-for-profit federally chartered consulting organization. Reach him at [email protected].</em>

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Last Edited by uclabennett February 27, 2010 at 11:59 PM
For Quick Reference:

• Before calling, do your HW
o If you are not currently a customer,
 Know your credit score; this will give you an idea of whether a deposit is necessary
 Know what you need in terms of services
• Why get voice if you already have a cellphone w/ unlimited minutes?
• Know how much speed you need for internet
• Figure out if the additional features (extra email addresses, anti-spyware, etc.) are worth anything to you. (HINT: probably not)
 Pay attention to slickdeals- if there's a deal, write the terms down. Otherwise, try:
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/index.jsp
http://www.dishnetwork.com/
http://www.att.com/
http://ww2.cox.com
http://www.comcast.com
http://www.verizon.com/fios
o If you're already a customer, you should still know what your alternatives are- ask the company to match their competitors and be ready to leave if it's not willing to.
• When you call,
o Be clear with what you want and why you want it:
 "I want to pay $x for my current level of service and I'm giving you a chance to keep me as a customer. Dish has it for $y; DirecTV has it for $z. Can you do this for me?"
o Be willing to negotiate and to explore other options:
 Ask if it is possible to apply any new customer incentives.
 Ask if agreeing to a contract can yield a lower rate.

SD Users: Everyone visiting this site has already figured out a pretty good way for dealing with retail stores. The article is the first in a series where we will attempt to tackle more complicated topics; we see this article as a work in progress. If you, the Community, have better ideas (for example, if you work for Cox and you know that the retentions officers can give x% off without getting approval, share that so we know to ask for it), then mention them in the thread, and we will refine the process. It is our hope (and expectation) that these approaches will improve over time and become even more valuable in the future.

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02-24-2010 at 07:08 PM.
02-24-2010 at 07:08 PM.
Slightly off topic, but I find that a lot of the pack-in IP phone services that cable companies offer are overpriced. You could get internet, and optionally, TV, from the cable company, then use something such as Ooma (about $200 with a hot deal) or viatalk ($180 for 2 years, + $40 for the adapter box), to get IP phone service.
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02-25-2010 at 08:56 AM.
02-25-2010 at 08:56 AM.
Cable is a ripoff. Over the air HD is great. You can download any TV show worth watching off the net.


Quote from centrifuge41 :
Slightly off topic, but I find that a lot of the pack-in IP phone services that cable companies offer are overpriced. You could get internet, and optionally, TV, from the cable company, then use something such as Ooma (about $200 with a hot deal) or viatalk ($180 for 2 years, + $40 for the adapter box), to get IP phone service.
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02-25-2010 at 09:22 AM.
02-25-2010 at 09:22 AM.
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Cable is a ripoff. Over the air HD is great. You can download any TV show worth watching off the net.
Are we even allowed to discuss how to do something illegal on SD?
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02-25-2010 at 10:34 AM.
02-25-2010 at 10:34 AM.
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Are we even allowed to discuss how to do something illegal on SD?
No, but I think he might be talking about Hulu or something like that.
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02-25-2010 at 11:58 AM.
02-25-2010 at 11:58 AM.
every post gets a sticky
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02-25-2010 at 12:54 PM.
02-25-2010 at 12:54 PM.
Quote from thelnel52 :
No, but I think he might be talking about Hulu or something like that.
Hulu doesn't allow for downloading. I'm stuck on 1.5Mbps DSL and while I watch some things online, the quality is pretty poor.
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02-25-2010 at 01:29 PM.
02-25-2010 at 01:29 PM.
Quote from redmaxx :
Hulu doesn't allow for downloading. I'm stuck on 1.5Mbps DSL and while I watch some things online, the quality is pretty poor.
select the 480P "hd" stream and pause it to let the buffer fill. once its full you should be fine.
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02-25-2010 at 02:16 PM.
02-25-2010 at 02:16 PM.
Quote from cburk :
Cable is a ripoff. Over the air HD is great. You can download any TV show worth watching off the net.
I agree that cable's a ripoff but I'm stuck with 3Mbps DSL that turns into 300K every single night. It's brutal trying to watch netflix instant movies....siiigh
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02-25-2010 at 02:59 PM.
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Quote from dayv :
select the 480P "hd" stream and pause it to let the buffer fill. once its full you should be fine.
Yep, that's how I do it. Still looks awful and takes several minutes to buffer, but it works.
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02-25-2010 at 03:40 PM.
02-25-2010 at 03:40 PM.
Of note, this refuses to work with my Cable Co.

Seriously, they wouldn't even budge on their own screwup.

Website: 7Mbps internet for $30/month for a year
Rep: "We can only offer it for 6 months, since that is what the system says"

Of note, why is this stickied? Does every guide really need a sticky?
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02-25-2010 at 04:27 PM.
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Quote from PhoenixFP :
Of note, this refuses to work with my Cable Co.

Seriously, they wouldn't even budge on their own screwup.

Website: 7Mbps internet for $30/month for a year
Rep: "We can only offer it for 6 months, since that is what the system says"

Of note, why is this stickied? Does every guide really need a sticky?
This is also a blog post- each blog post will be stickied for about a week.
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02-26-2010 at 02:55 PM.
02-26-2010 at 02:55 PM.
I dumped my cable TV over a year ago for Dish Network and couldn't be happier.

Today, I signed up for Qwest high-speed internet at 7 mbps down and 896 kbps up for $30/month for 2 years commitment. I'll be getting a $100 visa card for signing up PLUS another $50 visa card for buying a modem for $9.99.

Comcast will be kicked out of my house once and for all. Up yours, Comcast!
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02-26-2010 at 08:32 PM.
02-26-2010 at 08:32 PM.
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a killer online gamer might go for blazing DOCSIS 3.0 Internet bandwidth
Unless DOCSIS 3.0 does something for latency, "a killer gamer" will probably not see any game play benefit going from a slower to faster internet connection. So, it's interesting that the cable company rep listed that as someone who would benefit from a faster connection.
I'd say as long as you don't have dialup, you're probably fine for online gaming.
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