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  • 16.2" 3456 x 2234 resolution Liquid Retina XDR Mini-LED Display w/ ProMotion variable refresh rate up to 120Hz (16:10 aspect ratio)
  • Apple M1 Max Chip 10-Core CPU / 32-Core GPU / 16-Core Neural Engine
  • 4TB Proprietary Apple NVMe Solid State Drive / SSD
  • 64GB Unified RAM
  • WiFi 6 (802.11ax MU-MIMO) | Bluetooth 5.0
  • 1080p FaceTime HD Camera
  • 78-Key Backlit Magic Keyboard w/ Force Touch Trackpad
  • Touch ID Fingerprint Sensor
  • 6x Spatial Sound Speakers (w/ Dolby Atmos support) + 1x Subwoofer | 3x Built-in Microphones
  • 100Wh Lithium Polymer Battery
  • 140W Magsafe 3 Power Adapter
  • MacOS
  • Weight: 4.8 lbs.
  • Ports:
    • 3x Thunderbolt 4 (w/ DisplayPort & 100W Power Delivery support)
    • 1x HDMI 2.0 (output)
    • 3.5 mm Headphone Jack (output)
    • Memory Card Slot (SD/SDHC/SDXC)

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ProAm500
03-28-2024 at 07:24 AM.
03-28-2024 at 07:24 AM.
Quote from fritzo :
Honest question- who's buying these things?

I work in IT, have a lot of huge clients, and I don't think I've seen a Macbook in the wild outside of solo lawyer practices in the last 5 years.
A lot of devs and researchers where I used to work liked using Macs with these kinds of specs. A lot of them worked with big data sets.
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fritzo
03-28-2024 at 07:26 AM.
03-28-2024 at 07:26 AM.
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It's probably a matter of cost. When I was an ED at a nonprofit, the idea of getting everyone Macs would have been silly given their cost. PCs will have lower cost to performance ratio, but they sure keep you IT guys busy, and have nowhere near the battery life.
That's not really true, at least with HP's Probook and Elitebook line. The hardware updates and telemetry are all transmitted to a portal for management, battery life is in the 5 to 17 hour range depending on the model, the laptops have a similar form factor as the Macbook, but they're repairable with modular parts, and you can get 5 to 17 hour battery configurations (we usually deploy 6 cell with around 8hrs).

We're also deploying a lot of MS Surface laptops, which I guess would be the equivolent of a Macbook. Those tend to be a lot more problematic, but they're very slick devices.
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03-28-2024 at 07:31 AM.
03-28-2024 at 07:31 AM.
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Leadership consulting. They don't have specialty applications -- just Office and Dropbox. It's purely a personal choice between PC and Mac. Cost is irrelevant in the decision.
Hmmm....leadership means spending on status symbols Big Grin

I get it. Just trying to gauge if there's a time and place for Macbooks these days.
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03-28-2024 at 07:34 AM.
03-28-2024 at 07:34 AM.
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Hmmm....leadership means spending on status symbols https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...es/biggrin.gif

I get it. Just trying to gauge if there's a time and place for Macbooks these days.
It seems you keep trying to prove a point, but honestly, there isn't one to prove. This company works remotely, spread across the US and the majority of their client contact is remote -- there is no show-and-tell here.
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03-28-2024 at 07:48 AM.
03-28-2024 at 07:48 AM.
Quote from fritzo :
Honest question- who's buying these things?

I work in IT, have a lot of huge clients, and I don't think I've seen a Macbook in the wild outside of solo lawyer practices in the last 5 years.
Apple's Macbook has had over 10% marketshare for a decade and has hit about 15% marketshare. It's weird you haven't seen any in the wild because they are one of the top manufacturers today. As someone working in IT you should be aware that Intel and AMD based machines have drastically fallen short of Apple Silicon when it comes to energy efficiency. Macbooks run quieter, faster, and longer than the competition. That's the main reason market share has increased. The hardware is so good that even though I hate Apple's business practices it's hard to recommend any other brand.

As for who is buying them, it may be a socioeconomic thing? Apple's marketshare is probably disproportionately represented by specific areas where they dominate. Go into any cafe in the SF Bay Area for example and you won't see any other brand.
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03-28-2024 at 07:57 AM.
03-28-2024 at 07:57 AM.
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Apple's Macbook has had over 10% marketshare for a decade and has hit about 15% marketshare. It's weird you haven't seen any in the wild because they are one of the top manufacturers today. As someone working in IT you should be aware that Intel and AMD based machines have drastically fallen short of Apple Silicon when it comes to energy efficiency. Macbooks run quieter, faster, and longer than the competition. That's the main reason market share has increased. The hardware is so good that even though I hate Apple's business practices it's hard to recommend any other brand.
Nearly every corporate client we have uses Windows domains and rely on group policy and security groups to disperse access roles. I'm assuming it has to do with "put round peg in round hole" decsion making as they're spending Macbook money on Microsoft Surfaces.

Smaller firms like lawyers don't usualy have centralized servers and tend to go with pure cloud services, so that may be why they go the Mac route..
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03-28-2024 at 07:58 AM.
03-28-2024 at 07:58 AM.
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If they don't check the battery health, how can they guarantee the battery health is > 80%?
The chances of an M1-era MacBook having <80% health is probably less than 1%. It's not worth the time to set up the Mac, go in and check, and record as such, vs a potential 1% issue which falls within a broader 'customer dissatisfaction' return category.


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03-28-2024 at 08:09 AM.
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Smaller firms like lawyers don't usualy have centralized servers and tend to go with pure cloud services, so that may be why they go the Mac route..
Three of my clients are smaller law firms and all three have Windows servers and don't use cloud services at all for anything but sharing of files with their clients. None of them use a Mac except for one person who remotes in from home on his MacBook to his Windows PC at the office using remote access services.
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03-28-2024 at 08:12 AM.
03-28-2024 at 08:12 AM.
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Honest question- who's buying these things?

I work in IT, have a lot of huge clients, and I don't think I've seen a Macbook in the wild outside of solo lawyer practices in the last 5 years.
Of course it depends who your clients are. Your observation is totally anecdotal. Macs are popular in graphics, photographers, video production, small business. Actually, Macs are not that compatible with the legal profession because much legal software is Windows only. I'll put it this way, you don't see racers driving F100 trucks at Daytona and you don't see race cars hauling boats. But there is a purpose for both.
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03-28-2024 at 08:33 AM.
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The chances of an M1-era MacBook having <80% health is probably less than 1%. It's not worth the time to set up the Mac, go in and check, and record as such, vs a potential 1% issue which Dallas within a broader 'customer dissatisfaction' return category.
Sort of like a used car dealer guaranteeing a car hasn't been in an accident without actually checking, knowing that less that 1% of cars are actually in an accident? Seems shady.
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03-28-2024 at 09:06 AM.
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Three of my clients are smaller law firms and all three have Windows servers and don't use cloud services at all for anything but sharing of files with their clients. None of them use a Mac except for one person who remotes in from home on his MacBook to his Windows PC at the office using remote access services.
Dropbox, Clio, and MyCase are all in large use in smaller firms. Come to think of it, a lot of those lawyers could probably use iPads with keyboards for what they do with them Big Grin

As someone said, my experience is anecdotal, but we have a LOT of clients (close to 10000 people), so it's a pretty big sampling. Might be a regional thing too. We're in the midwest so coastal cities might have a more trend-driven IT stack.
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03-28-2024 at 10:06 AM.
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Sort of like a used car dealer guaranteeing a car hasn't been in an accident without actually checking, knowing that less that 1% of cars are actually in an accident? Seems shady.
Exactly. Shady, yep. But that's pretty much Woot's MO. Heck, they don't even confirm it comes with a charger. Seems like they could make that effort to add/confirm, considering how much $$ they're asking for the product.
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03-28-2024 at 12:31 PM.
03-28-2024 at 12:31 PM.
great deal on this Macbook where upping storage and ram to these amounts is generally quite painful to those comparing prices to similar windows pc/laptop configurations (including myself) ... thinking of upgrading from my M1pro/16GB/1TB version.

a couple points of comparison: a certified refurb for this model (M1Max/64GB/4TB) on apple.com is currently $3659. seeing them used on ebay for $2200-3000ish.

(agree with the points raised that this is kind of a crapshoot regarding remaining battery health, do you get a charger?, etc ... but seems returns shouldn't be an issue ... and to me it's a bit less risky than ebay)
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03-28-2024 at 12:50 PM.
03-28-2024 at 12:50 PM.
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It's probably a matter of cost. When I was an ED at a nonprofit, the idea of getting everyone Macs would have been silly given their cost. PCs will have lower cost to performance ratio, but they sure keep you IT guys busy, and have nowhere near the battery life.
At the larger organizations (like where I work, 100K employees), it's all an ROI calculation.
There's an evaluation for how many tickets are generated per traditional PC laptop, compared to MacBook, then evaluated as a "total cost per month".

Our Macs are required to have a 4-yr lease vs. PC laptops with a 3-yr lease. The average of the cost for each (during that 3 or 4 year span) is $40-$50/month.

Once tech support and device management investments are factored into the overall cost, if they costs are similar, an organization likely has no preference to if the employee choose MacBook vs. Windows laptop.

TL;DR - you have to evaluate the total upfront and ongoing investment required to determine if it's actually cheaper for a company to offer PC laptops vs. a MacBook.
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03-28-2024 at 02:32 PM.
03-28-2024 at 02:32 PM.
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(Just to be clear, this isn't a Mac vs PC comment)

What type of consulting do they do? Is there a field where Macs are better suited for the software? Or is it more of a "sync to your ecosystem" type thing?

Macs used to be the big thing for video editing, but you can do that on anything these days.
I worked at a large semiconductor company. They started allowing people to get a Macbook instead of the standard HP or Dell laptop shortly before I left. None of the people who worked in design, process, packaging, test, etc. chose the Macbook, but lots of the business, marketing, etc. people did. A lot of people use their work computer only to access the Internet and use Microsoft Office, so it doesn't really matter whether it's a Mac or PC.
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