Model: Deco Home Level 1/2 32A 240V Portable EV Charger, NEMA 14-50 and 5-15 Plugs, Tesla Adapter
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I can't speak for this specific brand, never heard of it but doesn't mean it's not good.
With that said, my personal opinion, don't cheap out on EV chargers. You're not powering your $800 cellphone. You're powering a $50K vehicle. And if build quality is shoddy you're potentially risking a fire.
Again, my 2 cents. There are plenty of known brands for around $500
Seen a lot of posts about what size circuit you need for X size charger and so forth. This chart should help with that along with additional info about the speed of the charge based on the size of circuit/charger you are considering. Hope this helps everyone!
Circuit breaker (amps) Maximum output (amps) Power at 240 volts (kilowatt) Charge Speed (mph)
60 48 11.5 kW 32.2
50 40 9.6 kW 26.88
40 32 7.7 kW 21.56
30 24 5.7 kW 15.96
20 16 3.8 kW 10.64
15 12 2.8 kW 7.84
Charge Speed based on EV9 EPA Estimated Range/Efficiency = 280 miles or ~2.8 mi/kWh (99.8kWh Battery Size)
Both items are UL certified. See the last line
Portable Level 1 & 2 EV Charger home/on-the-go
Level 2 NEMA 14-50 220-240V and Level 1 NEMA 5-15 plugs
Current output from 8 to 32 amps
20FT SAE J1172 Cable with Tesla Adapter
0.96" LCD screen and LED indicator IP65
UL Certified
Hassle-free, fast EV charging for your home - up to 40 Amps and 240V
SAE J1772 plug for most EV models - Tesla adapter included
20FT long TPE jacketed charging cable - UL certified
IP54 splashproof water and dust rating
UL Certified
edit: Received the Level1-2 a few days ago. No UL anywhere 🤦 ♀️
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It means it is wired directly rather than using a plug.
Some of these chargers plug into a NEMA 14-50(typically called a "range plug") or a 14-30 (typically called a "dryer plug). The number at the end tells you how many amps that plug can handle. Dryers don't exceed 30A, so they normally only need a 30A plug. While ovens/ranges can go up to 50A.
A hard-wired unit doesn't "plug in", but is wired directly to the house wiring.
I live 4 miles from the electricfy America 350kwh charger and got free charging for 2 years on my ioniq 5. I could see myself buying this though if a camp group had free power
You do realize that frequent DC fast charging is not good for your car's battery. It's only recommended during long trips once in a while. Yeah free seems enticing but you gotta also consider the beat up that the battery receives every time you fast charge.
I can't speak for this specific brand, never heard of it but doesn't mean it's not good.
With that said, my personal opinion, don't cheap out on EV chargers. You're not powering your $800 cellphone. You're powering a $50K vehicle. And if build quality is shoddy you're potentially risking a fire.
Again, my 2 cents. There are plenty of known brands for around $500
You're powering a $50K vehicle + your home!
I agree - unless its a reputed brand, SD principles does not work.
I'd say no, but it can depend. I have a Bolt and charge at 48 amp with a hardwired unit. Car will fully charge in about 6 hours. If it was 32a (which is the charger included with the car) it would be closer to 9 hours. Most people aren't fully charging and discharging every time they plug in. The extra speed is nice, but I wouldn't spend an extra hundred on this deal.
Also nice to see this is UL certified, so unlikely to burn your house down or damage your car. Lots of the Amazon no name chargers are not UL Listed or UL Certified, so this looks like it could be a solid bet.
Curious how much does it cost to charge your Bolt - what range do you get in return?
How does this charging cost compare with gas prices?
Because gas prices have gone up - wonder it makes sense?
Auh ok. I thought it was a complete PITA to own an EV. The more I look the more attractive they become.
Its still a PITA if you dont have your own garage or own plug to charge at. Public charging sucks for non teslas, and it sucks for teslas in dense areas...
I've done some research before install an EV charger recently. Here are my 2 cents.
Choose hardwired EV charger over NEMA plug.
Per code, GFCI is required for NEMA. GFCI breaker is more expensive (usually $150+) and hard to find. And you need an industrial NEMA outlet so it can survive consistant high power draw for long time.
Going that route will cost you $150 more and still less reliable than hardwired.
Also, NEMA 14-50 can only give you 40A max charging, while hardwired ones can give you 48A or 50A (depends on your EV charger and wire/breaker used).
So unless you have an existing NEMA receptacle, do not install new NEMA outlet for EV charging.
Even you have existing NEMA outlet and no plan to convert it to hardwired, consider replace the outlet with industrial quality ones (e.g. Bryant). There are reports of melted consumer grade NEMA outlets when charge EV.
Check rebate from your local enegy company.
Many offers rebates for EV charger, some even offer rebates for installation.
I got $300 rebate for ChargePoint Home flex, that bring down my cost for charge to $249 (and no tax).
Use a reputable brand
As many folks mentioned in this thread already, your EV charger connects to the most expensive asserts you have (your EV and you house). It doesn't make sense to cheap out here.
My initial list is: ChargePoint Home Flex (supports 50A) and Emporia EV Charger (supports 48A, cheaper). Went with Home Flex as my local enegy company offers rebate for it.
You can also check what EV charger are on the list of your local enegy company. Those are usually trustable.
AWG is also length and temperature dependent. At these higher Amps unless you know what you are doing you should have it professionally hardwired/outlet otherwise go for an existing outlet (if you have one). At least in my jurisdiction if you install without a permit/inspection if you have a fire insurance will not cover you.
I have an industrial one (Grizzle) and it has dip switches to control Amp out and it is also a dual charger (it has two whips) so if you do not have a 50A outlet (for 40A) then you can derate the charging station (most people think the "charger" is a charger) its not the charger is in the vehicle and it controls flow and charge rate.
My sister has a Prius Prime and will want to home charge in her garage, seems cheaper than this wall mount by half and can do 40A instead of 32A like the (now expired) portable charger.
Curious how much does it cost to charge your Bolt - what range do you get in return?
How does this charging cost compare with gas prices?
Because gas prices have gone up - wonder it makes sense?
Not who you asked, but I have a bolt. If you're charging at home, it's roughly $20 per month. The bolt gets about 3-4 miles per Kwh, so if you want a more specific number, divide the number of miles you drive per month by 3.5 then multiply it by your home electricity cost per kw and you'll get your cost per month.
Range is 280 miles epa rated, but I'd say 280 for city driving in temperate weather, 150 ish at highway speeds and maybe 120 with freezing temps.
The Bolt is a good car, only downsides are: slow fast charging during trips past its range, interior feels a bit cheap, and GM stopped making it recently. It did have a battery recall, but they replaced all the batteries in the cars it should have affected so it's not an issue anymore.
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With that said, my personal opinion, don't cheap out on EV chargers. You're not powering your $800 cellphone. You're powering a $50K vehicle. And if build quality is shoddy you're potentially risking a fire.
Again, my 2 cents. There are plenty of known brands for around $500
Circuit breaker (amps) Maximum output (amps) Power at 240 volts (kilowatt) Charge Speed (mph)
60 48 11.5 kW 32.2
50 40 9.6 kW 26.88
40 32 7.7 kW 21.56
30 24 5.7 kW 15.96
20 16 3.8 kW 10.64
15 12 2.8 kW 7.84
Charge Speed based on EV9 EPA Estimated Range/Efficiency = 280 miles or ~2.8 mi/kWh (99.8kWh Battery Size)
Portable Level 1 & 2 EV Charger home/on-the-go
Level 2 NEMA 14-50 220-240V and Level 1 NEMA 5-15 plugs
Current output from 8 to 32 amps
20FT SAE J1172 Cable with Tesla Adapter
0.96" LCD screen and LED indicator IP65
UL Certified
Hassle-free, fast EV charging for your home - up to 40 Amps and 240V
SAE J1772 plug for most EV models - Tesla adapter included
20FT long TPE jacketed charging cable - UL certified
IP54 splashproof water and dust rating
UL Certified
edit: Received the Level1-2 a few days ago. No UL anywhere 🤦 ♀️
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These are high voltage, current stuff - SD idea won't work - potential fire hazard unless its a good reputed brand?
Some of these chargers plug into a NEMA 14-50(typically called a "range plug") or a 14-30 (typically called a "dryer plug). The number at the end tells you how many amps that plug can handle. Dryers don't exceed 30A, so they normally only need a 30A plug. While ovens/ranges can go up to 50A.
A hard-wired unit doesn't "plug in", but is wired directly to the house wiring.
You do realize that frequent DC fast charging is not good for your car's battery. It's only recommended during long trips once in a while. Yeah free seems enticing but you gotta also consider the beat up that the battery receives every time you fast charge.
With that said, my personal opinion, don't cheap out on EV chargers. You're not powering your $800 cellphone. You're powering a $50K vehicle. And if build quality is shoddy you're potentially risking a fire.
Again, my 2 cents. There are plenty of known brands for around $500
I agree - unless its a reputed brand, SD principles does not work.
Also nice to see this is UL certified, so unlikely to burn your house down or damage your car. Lots of the Amazon no name chargers are not UL Listed or UL Certified, so this looks like it could be a solid bet.
How does this charging cost compare with gas prices?
Because gas prices have gone up - wonder it makes sense?
I bought a $2k table saw, but i power it using the cheapest 12/3 extension cord i could find that was UL rated.
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I agree - unless its a reputed brand, SD principles does not work.
Per code, GFCI is required for NEMA. GFCI breaker is more expensive (usually $150+) and hard to find. And you need an industrial NEMA outlet so it can survive consistant high power draw for long time.
Going that route will cost you $150 more and still less reliable than hardwired.
Also, NEMA 14-50 can only give you 40A max charging, while hardwired ones can give you 48A or 50A (depends on your EV charger and wire/breaker used).
So unless you have an existing NEMA receptacle, do not install new NEMA outlet for EV charging.
Even you have existing NEMA outlet and no plan to convert it to hardwired, consider replace the outlet with industrial quality ones (e.g. Bryant). There are reports of melted consumer grade NEMA outlets when charge EV.
Many offers rebates for EV charger, some even offer rebates for installation.
I got $300 rebate for ChargePoint Home flex, that bring down my cost for charge to $249 (and no tax).
As many folks mentioned in this thread already, your EV charger connects to the most expensive asserts you have (your EV and you house). It doesn't make sense to cheap out here.
My initial list is: ChargePoint Home Flex (supports 50A) and Emporia EV Charger (supports 48A, cheaper). Went with Home Flex as my local enegy company offers rebate for it.
You can also check what EV charger are on the list of your local enegy company. Those are usually trustable.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Deco-H...327438894?
you need 6 gauge to get a 60 amp circuit at 50amps charging.
I have two 40 amps in my garage for 2 vehicles. and two 50amp circuits running 8 gauge.
I may buy one of these in 2 years, but have free charging up to 350kwh for 2 years https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...lies/smile.gif
I have an industrial one (Grizzle) and it has dip switches to control Amp out and it is also a dual charger (it has two whips) so if you do not have a 50A outlet (for 40A) then you can derate the charging station (most people think the "charger" is a charger) its not the charger is in the vehicle and it controls flow and charge rate.
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My sister has a Prius Prime and will want to home charge in her garage, seems cheaper than this wall mount by half and can do 40A instead of 32A like the (now expired) portable charger.
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How does this charging cost compare with gas prices?
Because gas prices have gone up - wonder it makes sense?
Not who you asked, but I have a bolt. If you're charging at home, it's roughly $20 per month. The bolt gets about 3-4 miles per Kwh, so if you want a more specific number, divide the number of miles you drive per month by 3.5 then multiply it by your home electricity cost per kw and you'll get your cost per month.
Range is 280 miles epa rated, but I'd say 280 for city driving in temperate weather, 150 ish at highway speeds and maybe 120 with freezing temps.
The Bolt is a good car, only downsides are: slow fast charging during trips past its range, interior feels a bit cheap, and GM stopped making it recently. It did have a battery recall, but they replaced all the batteries in the cars it should have affected so it's not an issue anymore.