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Buying a home, no agent involved. Advice needed.

18,304 38,677 June 29, 2015 at 09:48 PM
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Okay, so the seller called about the house we want and she made an offer. It's slightly more than we were willing to offer, but not grotesque. She said she will split the cost of whatever the title company charges to research the title and will also split the attorney's fees. She absolutely, positively refuses to use an agent. She said if we hire one, we have to pay 100% of her commission.

I told her we needed to talk it over, get some estimates from the title company and see what hiring an attorney will cost. I realize we have to pay for an appraisal and the inspection. Actually, at this point, do we even need an appraisal? Huh We had an appraisal done by a licensed realtor when we were there a few weeks ago. The owner wasn't happy with what the realtor said so she's decided to go with an appraisal she got last July because it's higher.

Have any of you ever bought a home without using an agent?

Can a real estate attorney handle everything?

Are RE attorneys cheaper than RE agents?

At what point in the purchase do you hire the attorney?

Even if we pay her asking price, she's taking a HUGE loss. MASSIVE! I realize that's not our problem but we do want to be kind. We know our original offer is above the appraisal we got but we want the house ... she needs to sell the house ... and we're not assholes.

Any advice to offer?
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06-30-2015 at 01:25 AM.
06-30-2015 at 01:25 AM.
The bank may not be satisfied with an appraisal that is nearly 1 year old. Just be ready to bridge the gap between the bank's approved appraisal and what she is asking. Banks usually will not loan more than the appraised value. You need to get an attorney involved very soon if you are going through with this. I assume they can handle the entire transaction. Her loss may have no bearing on what the actual value of the home is. Sucks to be her.
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06-30-2015 at 06:47 AM.
06-30-2015 at 06:47 AM.
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The bank may not be satisfied with an appraisal that is nearly 1 year old.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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06-30-2015 at 06:58 AM.
06-30-2015 at 06:58 AM.
The only appraisal that counts is the one the bank will order. ALWAYS make your offer contingent on financing. Inspection is your option. It is always recommended but it is $400.

You are too emotionally attached to this house! Walk away! Or at least look at what else is in that area.
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06-30-2015 at 07:11 AM.
06-30-2015 at 07:11 AM.
I bought a house without a buyer's agent, but I was buying it from a selling agent if that counts.

One thing I regret to this day is buying a house without a buyer's agent. Take that for whatever it's worth. It is my first house. I felt like there were A LOT of things I didn't know and had I had an agent my life would've been much better or perhaps even easier.

Like others said, if you're going to be financing your home you need the bank's approved appraiser to look at it.

I believe RE agents get a cut (percentage) of price sold whereas attorney is a flat fee. The attorney is hired for the closing, from what I can slightly remember, the attorney was never involved with anything until signing the papers but I can be wrong.
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The Raddish
06-30-2015 at 07:36 AM.
06-30-2015 at 07:36 AM.
I buy and sell houses all the time without an agent, in fact I prefer not to use them. I'll give you a lot more pointers this evening on how best to proceed.
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06-30-2015 at 09:36 AM.
06-30-2015 at 09:36 AM.
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I buy and sell houses all the time without an agent, in fact I prefer not to use them. I'll give you a lot more pointers this evening on how best to proceed.

Thanks honey! What time will you be home for dinner? Stick Out Tongue
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06-30-2015 at 09:52 AM.
06-30-2015 at 09:52 AM.
Not financing. Borrowing some, but not from a bank.

There are only 2 other houses for sale on that street at this time. One is a two-story and we want (need) single story. The other is considerably cheaper but also considerably smaller and was a rental for 5 years so it needs a LOT of work. There is only one lot available for sale and it's waaaay overpriced. We have spoken with the owner and he won't consider anything less than what he paid 10 years ago. He's a veterinarian and said "well, I don't need the money so I can sit on it until I get what I want."

We've been trying to buy a home in this neighborhood (water side) for almost 4 years. They have either been too expensive or not the right floor plan. Homes do not come up for sale very often on that street. We are down to 11 months before we back to Florida, time is running out.

Yes, we are emotionally attached to the house we have been renting but we also love the neighborhood. We would consider another house on that street, IF it met our needs and was the right price.
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06-30-2015 at 10:35 AM.
06-30-2015 at 10:35 AM.
Why not post some actual dollar amounts? I mean, if the house is $220k and the value is $200k, it isn't too bad $20k over market for your dream house. But if it is $300k and the value is $200k, that is a little bigger deal. And if you are not financing through a bank I assume you do not have to have the lender approve the purchase? So you say we want to borrow $50k and that's it you get it on whatever terms are agreeable.

And of course if you've managed to save a mil for your retirement, spending an extra $20k here and there isn't a big deal. But if you've got $300k in retirement, this becomes a bigger deal.
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06-30-2015 at 11:25 AM.
06-30-2015 at 11:25 AM.
Pit-bull friendly neighborhood I'm sure right? And OT is okay now that you got the raddish on your back right right?
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06-30-2015 at 12:15 PM.
06-30-2015 at 12:15 PM.
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Pit-bull friendly neighborhood I'm sure right? And OT is okay now that you got the raddish on your back right right?

Actually, we did see a pit bull in that neighborhood once. It was running loose. Never saw it before and have never seen it since. Lots of greyhounds though. Must be a greyhound friendly neighborhood.

TR is my SD hubby, he can do whatever he wants. Harhar
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06-30-2015 at 12:18 PM.
06-30-2015 at 12:18 PM.
Quote from MsGal :
Actually, we did see a pit bull in that neighborhood once. It was running loose. Never saw it before and have never seen it since. Lots of greyhounds though. Must be a greyhound friendly neighborhood.

TR is my SD hubby, he can do whatever he wants. Harhar
Is there a vacancy to be your SD Red-headed step child?!! laugh out loud
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06-30-2015 at 12:18 PM.
06-30-2015 at 12:18 PM.
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TR is my SD hubby, he can do whatever he wants. Harhar
Including PIITB? Ohmy
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06-30-2015 at 12:22 PM.
06-30-2015 at 12:22 PM.
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Is there a vacancy to be your SD Red-headed step child?!! laugh out loud
You already hold that position. hug

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Including PIITB? Ohmy
EEK!

I am not that kind of girl. Nono2



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The Raddish
06-30-2015 at 05:01 PM.
06-30-2015 at 05:01 PM.
You don't need a buyer's agent. All they will provide you is really three things:

1. Access to houses for sale, which you don't need.
2. Offer contingent on financing (which you can do yourself)
3. Offer contingent on buyer's inspection (which you can do yourself)

Everything else is really negotiable. You can choose to have the closing at the attorney of your choice, on the terms of your choice, and even specify who pays what at closing based on the contract. I can send you a sample contract if you like.

I highly suggest you get a home inspection. A good home inspector views his job as convincing you NOT to buy the home. He'll tell you essentially everything wrong with it and what it takes to fix it, You can then use his report as a way to negotiate price or a way to fix the items that really need to be fixed, or both.
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