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Darwin award goes to Texas girl fried in bathtub by her cell phone

37,385 6,517 July 12, 2017 at 04:54 AM in Chat (3) USA TODAY
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A 14-year-old girl from Lubbock, Texas, died Sunday after being electrocuted in a bathtub while using her cell phone, according to local reports.

Madison Coe was electrocuted after she either grabbed her phone that was plugged in or plugged in her phone, her grandmother Donna O'Guinn told KCBD-TV. The teen was visiting her father in New Mexico when the incident occurred.

"There was a burn mark on her hand, the hand that would have grabbed the phone. And that was just very obvious that that's what had happened," O'Guinn told the news station.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ne...467225001/

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FlashX83
07-12-2017 at 08:41 AM.
07-12-2017 at 08:41 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Why is there a non-GFI outlet anywhere near the bathtub?
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Lovington police confirmed that a cellphone, a charging cord and an extension cord were found by the bathtub
Oddly enough, something very similar happened to a different 14 year old girl in Russia early last year.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/worl...ng-7417805

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She was killed when the charger, plugged into an extension cord, fell into the water.
Quote from Frogstar :
This isn't any kind of phone-specific education, this is your general "electricity while you're in the shower/tub is bad and could kill you" education.
Iagree
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07-12-2017 at 09:15 AM.
07-12-2017 at 09:15 AM.
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Are you from Texas?
Does it change anything if I am?
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ashcampbell
07-12-2017 at 09:22 AM.
07-12-2017 at 09:22 AM.
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Does it change anything if I am?
Y arent you charging your phone in the bathtub?
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The Llama
07-12-2017 at 09:38 AM.
07-12-2017 at 09:38 AM.
Quote from Frogstar :
This isn't any kind of phone-specific education, this is your general "electricity while you're in the shower/tub is bad and could kill you" education.
I could see the disconnect, though. Hair dryer, curling iron, etc all plug in or you can't use them, so that's electricity. Phone, you can use in the tub, no problem. Oh no, the battery's low, I should charge it.

I mean, the extension cord should have flipped a switch (no pun intended) but I could see just charging it not seeming like a big deal in the moment.
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07-12-2017 at 09:54 AM.
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Quote from ashcampbell :
Y arent you charging your phone in the bathtub?
I don't take baths Dontknow

Quote from The Llama :
I could see the disconnect, though. Hair dryer, curling iron, etc all plug in or you can't use them, so that's electricity. Phone, you can use in the tub, no problem. Oh no, the battery's low, I should charge it.

I mean, the extension cord should have flipped a switch (no pun intended) but I could see just charging it not seeming like a big deal in the moment.
If only someone had mentioned that upthread Confused
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07-12-2017 at 09:56 AM.
07-12-2017 at 09:56 AM.
Phones charge on 5VDC with a max current of 2.1A - looking online [stackexchange.com](yes I realize "current kills, not voltage") I also read that 5VDC isn't enough to "penetrate" human skin, let alone cause any lasting damage. Also apparently the resistance of the human body is around 1kohms [wikipedia.org](wet) - at 5V that's 5mA -barely enough to feel according to the first link.
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07-12-2017 at 10:09 AM.
07-12-2017 at 10:09 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
Phones charge on 5VDC with a max current of 2.1A - looking online [stackexchange.com](yes I realize "current kills, not voltage") I also read that 5VDC isn't enough to "penetrate" human skin, let alone cause any lasting damage. Also apparently the resistance of the human body is around 1kohms [wikipedia.org](wet) - at 5V that's 5mA -barely enough to feel according to the first link.
Not sure what you're saying here. It's not possible for her to have died? You suspect foul play?
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07-12-2017 at 10:18 AM.
07-12-2017 at 10:18 AM.
Quote from Frogstar :
Not sure what you're saying here. It's not possible for her to have died? You suspect foul play?
Simply picking up a phone that is connected to a charger is not likely the cause of death (IOW clickbait shit article making headlines scaring people is crap) - she could have been electrocuted by the 220V itself though (e.g. wall voltage).
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07-12-2017 at 10:40 AM.
07-12-2017 at 10:40 AM.
Quote from Frogstar :
Not sure what you're saying here. It's not possible for her to have died? You suspect foul play?
Only one way to find out. Can you try it in your pond?
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07-12-2017 at 10:40 AM.
07-12-2017 at 10:40 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
Phones charge on 5VDC with a max current of 2.1A - looking online [stackexchange.com](yes I realize "current kills, not voltage") I also read that 5VDC isn't enough to "penetrate" human skin, let alone cause any lasting damage. Also apparently the resistance of the human body is around 1kohms [wikipedia.org](wet) - at 5V that's 5mA -barely enough to feel according to the first link.
Very suspicious indeed. And those values are for average adults, children may have lower resistance, but not fatal for 5v.

Journalism these days... SMH
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07-12-2017 at 10:41 AM.
07-12-2017 at 10:41 AM.
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I don't take baths Dontknow


If only someone had mentioned that upthread Confused
I just assumed sarcasm.
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07-12-2017 at 10:47 AM.
07-12-2017 at 10:47 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
Simply picking up a phone that is connected to a charger is not likely the cause of death (IOW clickbait shit article making headlines scaring people is crap) - she could have been electrocuted by the 220V itself though (e.g. wall voltage).
Reading a bunch of wikipedia articles doesn't make you an electrician or an expert as to what can stop someone's heart - as seen by your 220V comment.

The typical wall outlet is 1 phase so it's 120V, not 240V. 110V/220V wasn't used since the 1920s, and people still remember those numbers for some reason. It was stepped up multiple times, and since the 80s the "standard" has been ~120V.

Unless she's charging a stove, a welder, an AC or an electric car in her bath tub, she's not using 2-phase power of "220V" (technically 240V).


And now to address your point, she had an extension cord. You don't know which part of the extension cord fell into the water (the tip where the phone is and has 5VDC, or the part where the transformed is inside the phone charger that connects to 120V AC). The real question should be why didn't the GFCI stop it, and the answer could be some older houses weren't built with GFCI's (the code only started requiring them past the 1970s).
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07-12-2017 at 10:53 AM.
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Quote from Fallacy :
Reading a bunch of wikipedia articles doesn't make you an electrician or an expert as to what can stop someone's heart - as seen by your 220V comment.

The typical wall outlet is 1 phase so it's 120V, not 240V. 110V/220V wasn't used since the 1920s, and people still remember those numbers for some reason. It was stepped up multiple times, and since the 80s the "standard" has been ~120V.

Unless she's charging a stove, a welder, an AC or an electric car in her bath tub, she's not using 2-phase power of "220V" (technically 240V).


And now to address your point, she had an extension cord. You don't know which part of the extension cord fell into the water (the tip where the phone is and has 5VDC, or the part where the transformed is inside the phone charger that connects to 120V AC). The real question should be why didn't the GFCI stop it, and the answer could be some older houses weren't built with GFCI's (1970s + )
120v is enough. I assumed he was from the UK and had a slip of the tongue.
It's the amps that kills and how much amps drawn is limited by the volts.
There's really very little information here other than that she has burn mark on her arm.
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07-12-2017 at 11:00 AM.
07-12-2017 at 11:00 AM.
Quote from ikonoklast :
Only one way to find out. Can you try it in your pond?
Lilypad doesn't have any outlets, I have to charge my smartphone at the library like a savage.
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07-12-2017 at 11:00 AM.
07-12-2017 at 11:00 AM.
Quote from joeg9897 :
120v is enough. I assumed he was from the UK and had a slip of the tongue.
It's the amps that kills and how much amps drawn is limited by the volts.
There's really very little information here other than that she has burn mark on her arm.
That's not exactly true either.
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