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Darwin award goes to Texas girl fried in bathtub by her cell phone

37,386 6,517 July 12, 2017 at 04:54 AM in Chat (3) USA TODAY
Unplug it STUPID!

A 14-year-old girl from Lubbock, Texas, died Sunday after being electrocuted in a bathtub while using her cell phone, according to local reports.

Madison Coe was electrocuted after she either grabbed her phone that was plugged in or plugged in her phone, her grandmother Donna O'Guinn told KCBD-TV. The teen was visiting her father in New Mexico when the incident occurred.

"There was a burn mark on her hand, the hand that would have grabbed the phone. And that was just very obvious that that's what had happened," O'Guinn told the news station.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/ne...467225001/

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07-13-2017 at 08:37 AM.
07-13-2017 at 08:37 AM.
Quote from dayv :
i said higher, not HIGH. i wouldn't consider 100mA or 500mA HIGH for that matter.

batteries have little to do with anything it is all about circuitry. the circuits step-up the voltage and store it in capacitors for quick discharge. you could build a stun gun out of watch batteries if you wanted and you probably wouldn't need that many. what do you think they put in the slugs TASER makes that can be fired from a shotgun?

here is the TASER patent.

http://archive.is/20140819211449/...nph-Parser [archive.is]


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Circuitry is a word used by people who googled shit and can't explain exactly what's happening. Please explain exactly how you step up the voltage using "circuitry"? Popcorn

I'll give you extra credit if you can explain the difference between stepping up AC vs. DC "circuitry".


Your link doesn't work. But assuming you quoted it accurately, and I'm sure you did, you do realize they give a range. Do you know why there's a range? If the taser penetrates the skin, that's a whole different set of resistances and currents it needs to send as compared to if it hits your padded jacket, for example. The taser still needs to work, and not kill you.


The topic at hand was how many amps will kill you from direct contact (tongue, skin, etc.).

How about this table? https://www.physics.ohio-state.ed...rrent.html

ETA a few quotes from that page for the lazy:
Quote :
As the current approaches 100 milliamps, ventricular fibrillation of the heart occurs - an uncoordinated twitching of the walls of the heart's ventricles which results in death.

Above 200 milliamps, the muscular contractions are so severe that the heart is forcibly clamped during the shock. This clamping protects the heart from going into ventricular fibrillation, and the victim's chances for survival are good.
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While any amount of current over 10 milliamps (0.01 amp) is capable of producing painful to severe shock, currents between 100 and 200 mA (0.1 to 0.2 amp) are lethal. Currents above 200 milliamps (0.2 amp), while producing severe burns and unconsciousness, do not usually cause death if the victim is given immediate attention. Resuscitation, consisting of artificial respiration, will usually revive the victim.
In summary, ya don't want to exceed 100mA, that's where nasty shit and death happens. Which is what, high level, the first table showed.
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07-13-2017 at 08:54 AM.
07-13-2017 at 08:54 AM.
Quote from Fallacy :
I have a funny story about that, I was taking apart one of those throw away Kodak cameras, which had a built in flash. Well those flashes use capacitors to store the power and instantly trigger the flash.

I assumed that the damn thing was discharged, nope. That capacitor shocked me and kept me holding it for what felt like eternity (probably half a second at most).

So yes, I know how you know Wink
yep, scary wasn;t it? I was about 15 when something similar happened & caught me totally by surprise. HUGE WAKE UP CALL
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07-13-2017 at 09:29 AM.
07-13-2017 at 09:29 AM.
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How about this table? https://www.physics.ohio-state.ed...rrent.html
Those aren't very good references. Did you google that?

http://research.physics.berkeley....Safety.ppt
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07-13-2017 at 09:36 AM.
07-13-2017 at 09:36 AM.
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Those aren't very good references. Did you google that?

http://research.physics.berkeley....Safety.ppt [berkeley.edu]
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I did google that link Big Grin
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07-13-2017 at 09:43 AM.
07-13-2017 at 09:43 AM.
Quote from Fallacy :
Circuitry is a word used by people who googled shit and can't explain exactly what's happening. Please explain exactly how you step up the voltage using "circuitry"? Popcorn

I'll give you extra credit if you can explain the difference between stepping up AC vs. DC "circuitry".


Your link doesn't work. But assuming you quoted it accurately, and I'm sure you did, you do realize they give a range. Do you know why there's a range? If the taser penetrates the skin, that's a whole different set of resistances and currents it needs to send as compared to if it hits your padded jacket, for example. The taser still needs to work, and not kill you.


The topic at hand was how many amps will kill you from direct contact (tongue, skin, etc.).

How about this table? https://www.physics.ohio-state.ed...rrent.html

ETA a few quotes from that page for the lazy:



In summary, ya don't want to exceed 100mA, that's where nasty shit and death happens. Which is what, high level, the first table showed.
diodes and a capacitor or a step-up transformer for DC. for AC no idea, never worked with it. if you want to buy me a beer and bring the schematic from the article you prev posted, i'll explain it. i'll hold your hand and walk you through it. fair warning though, i don't assign extra credit.
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07-13-2017 at 09:54 AM.
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Quote from dayv :
diodes and a capacitor or a step-up transformer for DC. for AC no idea, never worked with it. if you want to buy me a beer and bring the schematic from the article you prev posted, i'll explain it. i'll hold your hand and walk you through it. fair warning though, i don't assign extra credit.
That's actually... the correct answer laugh out loud
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07-13-2017 at 10:20 AM.
07-13-2017 at 10:20 AM.
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This isn't any kind of phone-specific education, this is your general "electricity while you're in the shower/tub is bad and could kill you" education.
not sure that the type of people who have a bathroom without a GFI outlet in their bathroom would be the ones for electrical safety to begin with
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07-13-2017 at 10:27 AM.
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not sure that the type of people who have a bathroom without a GFI outlet in their bathroom would be the ones for electrical safety to begin with
What type of person is that?

My bathroom's outlet is not GFCI. I'm pretty good with my electrical safety, over 4,000 days without an accident.
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07-13-2017 at 10:27 AM.
07-13-2017 at 10:27 AM.
I'm here for the Popcorn is there any left?
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07-13-2017 at 10:29 AM.
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What type of person is that?

My bathroom's outlet is not GFCI. I'm pretty good with my electrical safety, over 4,000 days without an accident.
You've been holding the paperclip with insulated pliers while not standing in the bath water.
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07-13-2017 at 10:29 AM.
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I'm here for the Popcorn is there any left?
No, I ate it all and was going to make more, but I was in the shower when I plugged in the popcorn maker and now I'm all dieded.
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07-13-2017 at 10:31 AM.
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You've been holding the paperclip with insulated pliers while not standing in the bath water.
Time to reset my sign to zero days Sadwalk
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07-13-2017 at 10:32 AM.
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No, I ate it all and was going to make more, but I was in the shower when I plugged in the popcorn maker and now I'm all dieded.
Doh
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Time to reset my sign to zero days Sadwalk
Doh Doh
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07-13-2017 at 10:36 AM.
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Quote from slapshot136 :
not sure that the type of people who have a bathroom without a GFI outlet in their bathroom would be the ones for electrical safety to begin with
GFCI's only became standard in the 70s. Lots of houses build before that, and never renovated.

Years ago when we were house shopping, you'd be surprised at how many older houses never updated their kitchen and bathroom outlets to have GFCIs.
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