UPDATE: 11/2018 - When I first posted this, it was a very good deal. This kit is no longer available, and for the price is still a decent deal considering the Costco return policy. There is a newer version of this kit - with "active defense" cameras - that is they have 2-way talk, PIR sensors - for the same price. There are threads on that kit here on SlickDeals as well as on ipcamtalk.
At this time, this "deal thread" is still a useful reference, and should be used as such instead of considering this a current deal.
This appears to be is a great deal on a POE 4K / 8MP security camera system / surveillance camera system / kit.
Having used wireless products which failed to provide the reliability I needed in a security camera system I've been looking closely at wired systems, and this is what I would currently recommend taking a serious look at.
After extensive review of video captures ( see the below wiki ) as well as calculation of the ID distance it is clear that if you want the greatest chance to ID any suspects you will need proper placement of security cameras as well as plenty of pixels on target. This 4K / 8MP security camera system represents a exceptional value which with proper placement can give you superior chances to ID suspects compared to all the lower resolution options at a price less than 2x this kit.
This deal does not appear online at Costco.com, but only in the B&M stores. I suspect this is because the price is lower than what Lorex would like advertised.
Costco Store Locator
https://m.costco.com/warehouse-locations
Please check your local store for this deal. ( Local stores may still have this kit, mine had it for about 1 month )
Update: 12/5/2017 - also available on Google Express, please see the bottom for more info. Thanks to EverGreed
Now available online at costco.com - thanks vtm6000
IF you have any doubts, I highly recommend you pick this up from your local Costco if they have it and bench test it. Remember Costco has a great return policy, and I think you will really like this once you've invested a little time playing with it.
My local costco B&M had it on display, and indeed it looks like Dahua is the OEM based on the cameras and NVR interface I saw. This appears to be a great deal as the cheapest I can find a Dahua 4K / 8MP camera in this form factor is about $150 shipped from China. 6x $150 = $900. Thus for less than 6 similar 4K / 8MP cameras I get 6 cameras AND a 8 port POE NVR w/a 2 TB HDD. ( I would expect to spend $250+ for the NVR and HDD )
Note regarding "4K" / 8MP cameras - currently most of what are called 4K security cameras are not fully compliant with known 4K standards as they do not have enough processing power to fully handle enough fps to fully meet any 4K specs. Thus while their resolution maybe 4K compatible, their fps are not. In this case the cameras in this kit are able to record 15 fps, which is typically good enough for most security camera applications while keeping the storage needed for the videos lower than a fully compliant 4K camera due to the reduced fps.
Info:
Lorex Kit Model number: LNR6826K
1x 8 port POE NVR. rated for 4K cameras w/2TB HDD - ( looks like model NR9082 LNR6100 / LNR6108 )
6x 4K 4mm lens 88 deg FOV POE outdoor rated cameras - ( looks like model LNB8111B LNB8005 )
6x 100ft 60ft of ethernet cable[*]
Costco Item: 1163871
Thus, you have 2 more ports available for additional cameras to augment this kit, so you can purchase cameras which maybe specific for night time images ( like the Dahua starlight lines of 2MP cameras ) or perhaps even a PTZ or a smaller camera by your front door.
[ * - Thanks beef1218 who picked up a kit and noted that if you want to return the kit you will need to also return the ethernet cable
thus, we recommend that you buy a bulk 1000ft box from monoprice and cut custom lengths as needed setting the ethernet cable aside from the kit in case you need to return it. ]
Camera info:
Image Sensor 1/2.5" 8MP
Effective Pixels H: 3840 × V: 2160
S/N Ratio 42dB (AGC OFF)
AES Shutter Speed 1/3 (1/4) ~ 1/10,000 seconds
Min. Illumination 0.5 lux without IR
Video Output IP
Lens / Lens Type 4mm F1.6 / Fixed
Termination RJ45 Ethernet / 12V DC Power)
IR LED Type 850nm
Night Vision Range 130ft (40m) / 90ft (27m)
Power Requirement PoE (Power over Ethernet) Class 0 / 12V DC
Power Consumption Max. 330mA / 4W
Operating Humidity Range Less than 95% RH
Environmental Rating IP66 (Indoor / Outdoor)
Weight 1lb / 0.5kg
PDF spec sheets from Lorex LNB8005 camera:
https://www.lorextechnology.com/d...ecs_R1.pdf
LNB8111B camera
https://www.lorextechnology.com/d...ecs_R3.pdf
The camera can capture 4K video at 15fps - which is good for most security camera installations, if you need more fps you can run the cameras at lower resolution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0TcXPOJaog
NVR spec sheet ( LNR6100 ) - note has room for 1 HDD vs 2 HDD for NR9082
( spec sheet may indicate upto 1x 6TB HDD supported, numerous people have tested 8-10TB HDDs in newer Dahua NVRs to work w/o issues )
https://www.lorextechnology.com/d...ecs_R1.pdf
Mobile app access and Cloud options is available via FLIR product offers, as well as other options if you are willing to take some additional time to configure.
You do not even have to connect this to the internet if you decide to keep it isolated.
It appears to be the following system,
which is listed at $1999.99 on the lorex site:
( note there is a 15% off code, so $1700 )
4KHDIP86
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...HDIP86-1-p
[ update thanks to Atken ] the LNR6826K kit - which currently has no list price on the lorex site:
https://www.lorextechnology.com/h...R6826K-0-p
Note reviews on the Lorex site, 9/10 there are 3 reviews all indicating purchase from Costco - one indicating got it to work with T-mobile ( see comment section for more discussion points )
https://www.lorextechnology.com/h...iewSection
Each 4K ( 8MP ) camera is listed at
$329.99 on the lorex site:
LNB8111B
https://www.lorextechnology.com/4...8111BW-1-p
[ update thanks to Atken ]
I was unable to find the webpage for the camera model LNB8005 on the lorex website
comparing the pdf spec sheets for the LNB8005 and LNB8111B they appear to have the same specs.
https://www.lorextechnology.com/d...ecs_R3.pdf
https://www.lorextechnology.com/d...ecs_R1.pdf
Wondering if they made a special model number for Costco.
note review under the 4KHDIP86 kit: "Georgex July 21, 2017
Location: Los Angeles
Bought it from Costco over a week ago.."
References for the LNB8111B camera:
Video images from the camera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sztvgyX-Uco
B&H is listing the LNB8111B camera for $399
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/pr...ullet.html
Staples is listing the LNB8111B camera for $343
https://www.staples.com/Lorex-By-...ct_2699217
Walmart is listing the LNB8111B camera for $300
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lorex-.../601912473
If you need a
junction box for this, please search for
Dahua PFA121 ( IP66 rated when properly installed ) - this will allow you to put the connectors into the junction box instead of leaving them outside or stuffing them into your walls. Also a junction box allows you to connect with 1/2 EMT conduit to run your ethernet cabling through it ( you will need to use bulk cable and terminate the RJ45 )
http://www1.dahuasecurity.com/pro...16141.html
Note, Lorex has recently added a junction box which should work for these cameras on their site:
https://www.lorextechnology.com/a...S1JF2G-1-p
The camera appears similar to IPC-HFW4830E-S, note the specs are different in some aspects
http://www1.dahuasecurity.com/pro...-4331.html
Downloads for the NVR as well as manual:
https://www.lorextechnology.com/s...wnloadsTab
https://www.lorextechnology.com/d...ler-idu1.1
ID spec distance and associated area max covered calculations ( 100ppf+ ):
Lorex LNB8005 4K camera 4mm lens 88 degrees:
25.0 feet [ this is actually very good for a camera with this wide angle lens, note the range will be reduced in low light conditions. ]
This is the theoretical max based on raw pixels from the horizontal resolution and the horizontal FOV. Calculations based on data provided in ads / spec sheets. Some vendors like to play games and list diagonal FOV instead of horizontal FOV as that number is bigger and not clarify that it is diagonal FOV.
Actual real world results will be decreased due to the quality of the camera ( glass vs plastic lens, compression quality, sw/firmware,... ), installation view, as well as environmental conditions ( low light, haze, fog, glare off snow, water rain,.. ).
Practical meaning: Place your cameras in such a manner that any suspect / subject you wish to potentially ID is within this ID spec distance, as well as in a placement which will give you a high likelihood of obtaining a good facial image ( mount camera 8 feet or less high ).
For a license plate expect to need 60-80 ppf during the day. ( multiply the ID distance by 1.25-1.66 to determine the theoretical distance get a good readable license plate image ) Some will say you can go as low as 40 ppf and still read a plate.
compare to:
Ring Video Doorbell 720p at 160 degrees: 4.08 feet { 23.23 sq feet covered }
Logitech Logi Circle HD Wireless Security Camera 720p at 135 degrees: 5.44 feet { 34.85 sq feet covered }
Arlo Pro / Arlo Go / Netgear Flexpower HD camera 720p at 130 degress: 5.644 feet { 36.12 sq feet covered }
LaView 2MP 1080p fisheye WiFi camera LV-PWF80216-W 1080p at 185 degrees: 5.95 feet { 57.13 sq feet covered }
Logitech Circle 2 (V-R0008) 1080p at 180 degrees: 6.11 feet { 58.6 sq feet covered }
ezviz Mini Trooper 720p wire free cam at 116° : 6.33 feet { 40.54 sq feet covered }
Foscam C1 720p at 115 degrees: 6.38 feet { 40 sq feet covered }
YI Home Camera 720p at 111 degrees: 6.61 feet { 42.3 sq feet covered }
Arlo 720p at 110 degrees: 6.67 feet { 42.68 sq feet covered }
Blink XT - 720p ( 1080p version is planned ) at 110 degrees: 6.67 feet { 42.68 sq feet covered }
Ring Video Doorbell 2 / Pro / Elite 1080p at 160 degrees: 6.88 feet { 66.06 sq feet covered }
Ring Spotlight Cam wired / battery / solar 1080p at 140 degrees: 7.86 feet { 75.44 sq feet covered }
Ring Floodlight Cam 1080p at 140 degrees: 7.86 feet { 75.44 sq feet covered }
Eufy EverCam 1080p at 140°: 7.86 feet { 75.44 sq feet covered }
D-Link DCS-933L 640x480 at 45.3: 8.0988 feet { 25.92 sq feet covered }
ezviz CV-200 Mini Plus 1080p 135° : 8.15 feet { 78.21 sq feet covered }
Arlo Q / Arlo Q plus 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Arlo Pro 2 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Nest Cam Outdoor / Indoor 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Samsung SmartCam SNH-V6431BN / V6414BN 1080p at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Xiaomi MIJIA Smart 1080P IP Camera at 130 degrees: 8.47 feet { 81.34 sq feet covered }
Amcrest IPM-721S 720p IP camera at 85 deg H FOV as per chat w/Amcrest: 8.63 feet { 55.2 sq feet covered }
Zmodo
"spoe is not compatible with poe" bullet cam 2.8mm 720p at 81 degrees: 9.06 feet {57.99 sq feet covered }
Ring Stick Up 720p at 80 degrees: 9.17 feet { 58.67 sq feet covered }
Canary Flex 1080p at 116 degrees: 9.488 feet { 91.08 sq feet covered }
YI Dome Camera 1080p HD 112°: 9.82 feet { 94.396 sq feet covered }
Foscam R2 1080p at 110 degrees: 10.00 feet { 95.94 sq feet covered }
Wyze Cam 1080P 110°: 10.00 feet { 95.94 sq feet covered }
Reolink Argus 1080p at
130 110°:
8.47 10.00 feet {
81.34 95.94 sq feet covered }
Amcrest ProHD 1080p IP2M-841 / IP2M-841B at 90 degrees: 12.23 feet { 117.41 sq feet covered }
Annke AU-I61DR0104#US1 Cube Camera 4mm 1080p at 85°: 12.95 feet { 124.33 sq feet covered }
Swann PRO-T852 BNC connectors 1080p 80°: 13.76 feet { 132.12 sq feet covered }
Arlo 4K 180° Diagonal FOV ( 158° H FOV ): 13.93 feet { }
LaView 2MP dome camera (LV-PD50208 / LV-PD51208C) 2.8mm lens 1080p 98 degrees: 11.23 { 107.8 sq feet covered }
LaView 2MP bullet camera (LV-PB912F4C from kit LV-KNT91F84E2 ) 4mm lens 1080p at 83.6 degree: 13.16 feet { 126.28 sq feet covered }
LaView 2MP bullet camera (LV-PB932F4) 1080p 79 degree: 13.9 feet { 133.13 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP dome camera (LV-PD5040 / LV-PD514028C) 2.8mm lens 2688x1520 98 degrees: 15.72 { 211.23 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP dome camera (LV-PD504028) 2688x1520 90 Degrees: 17.12 feet { 230.08 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP Bullet Camera (LV-PB3140WC) 4mm lens 2688 x 1520 Viewing Angle: 83.6 Degrees: 18.43 feet { 247.67 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP bullet camera (LV-PB3040W) 2688 x 1520 79 Degree:19.5 feet { 262.0 sq feet covered }
LaView 4MP bullet camera (LV-PB3040W) 4mm lens 2688x1520 70 Degrees: 22.01 feet { 295.78 sq feet covered }
Qsee 3MP IP Bullet Camera (QTN8037B) 2048x1536 65°-70° ( using 70 degrees ): 16.77 feet { 171.7 sq feet covered }
Qsee 3MP IP WiFi Dome Camera (QCW3MP1D) 3.6mm 2304 x 1536 81°assume H FOV: 16.30 feet { 187.70 sq feet covered } ( using 2304 x 1536 on data sheet, Costco page shows 2048x1536 )
Qsee 4MP IP Bullet Cameras (QCN8026B) 3.6mm lens 2560 x 1440 84° : 17.47 feet { 223.61 sq feet covered }
Swann 5MP IP Bullet Camera (NHD-850) 2560x1920 note same H FOV as 4MP 63° : 23.3 feet { 298.3 sq feet covered }
Amcrest 4MP IP Bullet Camera (IP4M-1025E) 3.6mm lens 2688(H)x1520(V) 83°: 18.34 feet { 246.44 sq feet covered }
Amcrest 5MP IP Turret Camera ( IP5M-T1179EW-28MM) 2.8mm lens 2592 (H) × 1944 (V) H FOV 103°: 14.426 feet
Amcrest 5MP IP Turret Camera ( IP5M-T1179EW-36MM) 3.6mm lens 2592 (H) × 1944 (V) H FOV 84°: 17.69 feet
Hikvision DS-2CD2332-I 3MP EXIR Turret IP Cam 2048 x 1536 w/4mm lens 75.8° : 15.49 feet { 158.64 sq feet covered }
Dahua IPC-HDW4231EM-AS starlight fixed lens 1080p 1920x1080
w/2.8mm lens FOV H 110 degrees: 10 feet { area covered 95.94 sq feet covered }
w/3.6mm lens FOV H 87 degrees: 12.65 feet { 121.43 sq feet covered }
w/6mm lens FOV H 51 degrees: 21.58 feet { 207.16 sq feet covered }
Lorex 2MP / 1080p camera at 90 degrees: 12.23 feet { 117.4 sq feet covered }
Lorex 3MP camera at 75 degrees: 15.65 feet { 160.22 sq feet covered }
Lorex 2K / 4MP cameras at 83 degrees: 18.56 feet { 249.38 sq feet covered }
Lorex 2k / 4MP cameras 2688×1520 at 101 degrees ( like the bullet LKB343B or dome LKE343 in a lorex kit from costco online ): 17.12 feet { 258.2 sq feet covered }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8921BW Bullet Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8950AB "Dome" / Turret Camera 3840(H)×2160 (V) 2.8 lens FOV H:112.5°: 19.57 feet { 375.8 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8005 / LNB8111B Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW4830E-S 4K camera 4mm lens 88 degrees: 25.0 feet { 479.7 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNB8973 Bullet Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HFW5830E-Z Bullet Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.4~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Lorex 4K / 8MP LNE8974 "Dome" / Turret Camera as well as Dahua IPC-HDW5830R-Z Turret Camera 4K 3840(H)×2160 (V) varifocal 2.8-12mm lens FOV H:102°~39°: 21.58~56.44 feet { 414.3~1083.59 sq feet covered max }
Ref:
https://kintronics.com/calculatin...ip-camera/
https://www.axis.com/files/featur...402_lo.pdf
https://ipvm.com/reports/definitive-guide-ppf
Acti Lens Calculator ( I believe this is a EU standard as the primary column is in ppm instead of ppf - for facial ID their standard here is 300ppm - or 91 ppf. I am using the 100 ppf as a standard in my calculations )
Face Recognition Standard 300ppm Car License Plate Recognition Standard 220 ppm
https://www.acti.com/corpweb/Tool...ality.aspx
IF you have any doubts, I highly recommend you pick this up from your local Costco if they have it and bench test it. Remember you can add 2 more cameras to the NVR, perhaps a camera with a zoom or a PTZ camera or a starlight camera.
Youtube review is available by cipioh: Thanks Cipioh!
I just posted a quick video on this system, now that I have it home. I even recorded the beginning of the video with the actual Lorex 4K camera so you can see the quality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO8avTACFPM
I will be installing soon!
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Please see the wiki for notes on bench testing this unit.
A number of SDers have reported a 1-2 second lag between actual view and the live OSD ( On Screen Display ). When accessing the camera directly this lag is not apparent according to reports. For recording purposes this should not be an issue. A more powerful display system, such as a better more powerful model of NVR or a i5/i7 windows PC running Blue Iris should resolve this lag.
Google Express availability info, thanks EverGreed:
If you need a better NVR with alarms consider the following kit:Q-See 8-Channel 4K HD IP NVR with 4TB HDD, 4 4K Cameras with 100' Night Vision
Item #1381613 Online Price 999.99$ Less 150.00 $ - $849.99 After $150 OFF
( $150 manufacturer's savings** is valid 9/28/17 through 10/31/17. While supplies last. )
https://m.costco.com/Q-See-8-Chan...53924.html
If you need more ports and a better NVR consider:
https://slickdeals.net/f/10584672-q-see-dahua-oem-16-port-4k-nvr-4tb-hdd-12x-4k-bullet-cameras-security-system-1999-costco-online-to-10-15-17-1999-99
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Up to 12 TB HDD! wow.. lol, my first HD was soooo small.. and expensive.
Delay viewing feed, from the OSD? ( On Screen Display ) or webinterface?
I believe this is the best value for a 4K system which I have seen.
It is possible to get better cameras, better NVR... just requires significantly more $.
According to a couple of reports, the noisy fan problem can be fixed by replacing it with a quiet fan that cost less than $20. It's not clear to me why a manufacturer would let something like this go when a fix looks to be so cheap.
According to a couple of reports, the noisy fan problem can be fixed by replacing it with a quiet fan that cost less than $20. It's not clear to me why a manufacturer would let something like this go when a fix looks to be so cheap.
A noisy NVR is not something I can sleep with.
Agreed! Thankfully I left a bit of extra slack with some previous wiring runs so I was able to move my unit out of the bedroom.
Hint to those following the thread - do not terminate wiring in your bedroom or other locations which you want to be quiet as PoE switches and lower profile units like the NVR often have smaller fans which make a lot of noise due to higher rpms.
iirc these cameras do not have a micro-SD slot.
Also, after getting NordVPN setup on the router, do any settings need to be changed on the NVR to make it secure, or is it ready to be connected to the network right away? Also, does every device (phone, tablet, etc) need to connect via a VPN in order to keep the NVR safe or can we just connect over our regular WiFi network without putting the NVR at risk?
This is all new to me. I'm really just looking for the easiest way to make sure the NVR is secure and the cameras can't be viewed. I understand the safest way is to not connect it to a network but we do want to be able to access it remotely.
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Also, after getting NordVPN setup on the router, do any settings need to be changed on the NVR to make it secure, or is it ready to be connected to the network right away? Also, does every device (phone, tablet, etc) need to connect via a VPN in order to keep the NVR safe or can we just connect over our regular WiFi network without putting the NVR at risk?
This is all new to me. I'm really just looking for the easiest way to make sure the NVR is secure and the cameras can't be viewed. I understand the safest way is to not connect it to a network but we do want to be able to access it remotely.
NordVPN and other VPN services are designed for a different use case, so just buying that service will need help in this case.
The idea of a VPN for viewing the security camera video feeds is to reduce the threat of someone or some bot from scanning your IP address that you get from your ISP and finding a way to break into your network easily. ( which can happen easily with port forwarding )
Take a look and see if your router has a VPN setup for it, some already do and that makes it easier to setup.
Otherwise do take a look at the VPN primer notes:
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/vpn...obs.14601/
NordVPN and other VPN services are designed for a different use case, so just buying that service will need help in this case.
The idea of a VPN for viewing the security camera video feeds is to reduce the threat of someone or some bot from scanning your IP address that you get from your ISP and finding a way to break into your network easily. ( which can happen easily with port forwarding )
Take a look and see if your router has a VPN setup for it, some already do and that makes it easier to setup.
Otherwise do take a look at the VPN primer notes:
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/vpn...obs.14601/
Here's the page about OpenVPN from the router I got: https://gl-inet.com/docs/openwrt/openvpn/
I guess the most difficult part of getting OpenVPN on the router has already been done for me, it's just the remainder of the setup that I'm struggling with.
NordVPN and other VPN services are designed for a different use case, so just buying that service will need help in this case.
The idea of a VPN for viewing the security camera video feeds is to reduce the threat of someone or some bot from scanning your IP address that you get from your ISP and finding a way to break into your network easily. ( which can happen easily with port forwarding )
Take a look and see if your router has a VPN setup for it, some already do and that makes it easier to setup.
Otherwise do take a look at the VPN primer notes:
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/vpn...obs.14601/
If you're viewing it through wifi/internet there's always going to be a delay for a number of reasons.
Upload/download rate (especially with 6 4k videos at once).
The fact that it feeds to the system first then the internet.
I have the 1080p 8 camera lorex system and it's normal.
Nord VPN is a fine VPN... but it's not quite what you want... let me think of a good way to explain this...
OK - how about thinking of sci-fi portals.. sort of like stargate...
Nord VPN lets you make a "portal" to go out from your PC to other worlds. Which is useful.
You need a VPN which allows you, and only you to make a portal go from other worlds back to your home.
Port forwards allows EVERYONE to come through the portal to your home.
Nord VPN is a fine VPN... but it's not quite what you want... let me think of a good way to explain this...
OK - how about thinking of sci-fi portals.. sort of like stargate...
Nord VPN lets you make a "portal" to go out from your PC to other worlds. Which is useful.
You need a VPN which allows you, and only you to make a portal go from other worlds back to your home.
Port forwards allows EVERYONE to come through the portal to your home.
Does that mean NordVPN is less secure? Will it allow access back to my home network by others? Because I don't want anyone else to get to the NVR.
And I didn't read anything about port forwarding being necessary to use NordVPN but maybe I just haven't come across it yet.
Does that mean NordVPN is less secure? Will it allow access back to my home network by others? Because I don't want anyone else to get to the NVR.
And I didn't read anything about port forwarding being necessary to use NordVPN but maybe I just haven't come across it yet.
It is possible to use them all... or none of them. ( VPN service which allows you to go out to other worlds, VPN server on your router/home which allows you and friends to go from other worlds to your home, and port forwarding which allows any on the other worlds to see your home if they look a little )
So most people use port forwarding because it is easy... however this means any alien, attacker, or what not can find and potentially break into your "home" THUS YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS.
Do take a little time to read up on it, and look for youtube videos.
Good luck.
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