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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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Nov 09, 2019 09:12 PM
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amptNov 09, 2019 09:12 PM
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Quote from fdragger :
you guys make me want to return my lenovo 14w. but at $150 more i could have 2 laptops
I just raised return request. It's horrible in performance
Nov 09, 2019 09:16 PM
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wiffleNov 09, 2019 09:16 PM
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Quote from amit5008 :
I just raised return request. It's horrible in performance
10 posts...The expert has spoken!
Nov 09, 2019 09:18 PM
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CheaperMoFoNov 09, 2019 09:18 PM
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Quote from budster :
Thanks for all the information you've provided. I know that NVMe is a faster interface than SATA, but I'm wondering how much of a performance impact would there be in replacing the SATA SSD that comes with the laptop with a NVMe one. I understand the main impetus of replacing the SSD would be to get a larger sized one, but if the size is equal, would using a NVMe SSD instead of SATA make a really noticeable difference?
Yes. NVMe is the most significant upgrade to come along in years, as significant as when we switched from HD to SSD. Any time you deal with a large file operation you notice.

An 1TB Inland Premium for $105 on Amazon is 5x as fast as SATA. Even slower NVMe drives will be 3x as fast.

I own last year's HP CostCo BF deal and put a Sabrent Rocket in it, plus added an 8GB stick. I can run a VM like it is a native machine.

Caveat: Do not buy the PCIe 3 Sabrent Rockets now as they have changed the hardware to a slower design without changing the model number or pricing (documented elsewhere on SD and in Amazon reviews).
Nov 09, 2019 09:26 PM
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MoisesA7010Nov 09, 2019 09:26 PM
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that lenovo 14w is so weak. its priced exactly how it should be for the weak performance and lack of features that it has. that to me is basically regular price.

return it if you can
Nov 09, 2019 09:27 PM
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CheaperMoFoNov 09, 2019 09:27 PM
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Quote from FairWallaby2369 :
How is this as a hackintosh?
The issue with hackintoshing virtually all laptops is that almost no wireless cards are supported by Apple. The recommended solution on those sites is to use certain USB wireless dongles.

You could also get a hackintosh to run in a VM but more RAM and a bigger, faster NVMe drive would probably be necessary.

I own the previous year's model, the one with wired ethernet.
Nov 09, 2019 09:28 PM
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FrontierboyNov 09, 2019 09:28 PM
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What games can you play on this?
Nov 09, 2019 09:30 PM
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tubers777Nov 09, 2019 09:30 PM
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What's the best way to safely change from S mode?

Backup an image of the hp laptop before changing into S mode or after?

If it was factory reset, does it change back to S mode?

Can I still change it to regular windows mode from S mode after a factory reset or is Windows gonna whine about a ineligibility?

How much space is left after updates?

What exact kind of NVME drive can it accept? I've heard different keys and stuff. New to nvmes so I'd appreciate some help.

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Nov 09, 2019 09:31 PM
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HendgeNov 09, 2019 09:31 PM
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Didn't really need another laptop/device or spend money...It's just not easy passing when a great deal is spotted. Thanks for posting!!

Btw, you can get another $20 off via Google shopping.
Nov 09, 2019 09:31 PM
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PurpleSparrow675Nov 09, 2019 09:31 PM
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Web says:"10th Gen Intel Core i3-1005G1"
Nov 09, 2019 09:32 PM
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RameshR4223Nov 09, 2019 09:32 PM
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How does this compare to Walmart's ideapad 330s deal ?
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Nov 09, 2019 09:33 PM
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Quote from PurpleSparrow675 :
Web says:"10th Gen Intel Core i3-1005G1"
Yes but apparently it's shipping i5. Could be a mistake but people are speculating intel didn't get the i3's ready in time.
Nov 09, 2019 09:34 PM
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zhangomangoNov 09, 2019 09:34 PM
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Hey guys, how's the onboard graphics of this i5 vs say a ryzen 5 2500U or 3500U?
Nov 09, 2019 09:37 PM
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RameshR4223Nov 09, 2019 09:37 PM
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How does this compare to Walmart's ideapad 330s ryzen v8 deal
Nov 09, 2019 09:38 PM
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MoisesA7010Nov 09, 2019 09:38 PM
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Quote from PurpleSparrow675 :
Web says:"10th Gen Intel Core i3-1005G1"
yea thats the whole reason this thread is poppin right now and also the same reason why many arent even opening this thread

because what you really get is an i5-10xxxxxx

evenv with the i3-10 this is a good deal. last years had the i3-8 and it was prob the best laptop for the price during the holidays.

even now if it was only an i3-10 it already puts this as the one to beat BUT with it actually coming with i5-10th gen doubtful it can be beat as the best laptop for this years holiday deals. especially for $280

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Nov 09, 2019 09:38 PM
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zhangomangoNov 09, 2019 09:38 PM
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Quote from hristopelov :
aye, this CPU is 10-15% faster than an i5-8250U and more than double the graphics performance while been cooler and more power efficient cus of the new 10nm tech..

the price is a BF deal for i3 with G1 graphics, this is i5 with G4 graphics which on its own is worth $100+ prob $125
last year Costco BF deal was the same HP laptop, with i3 8th gen, was $300 and the threat had like 1,000 thumbs up..

great deal, and in perfect time as there will def be deals on SSDs and RAM by Thanxgiving, definetely worth investing in good RAM as this could be a great litle PC for atleast 2-3 years, if nothing breaks offcourse, and then you can transfer that same RAM into whatever you buy then few years in the future.
How's the GPU of this vs Vega 8 on the Ryzen 5 2500U and 3500U?

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