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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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Nov 11, 2019 02:56 AM
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WIckedNewsNov 11, 2019 02:56 AM
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Quote from derrickd5 :
Does it matter if it's dual or single ranked?

Single is fine for this system, I am going to use it his laptop As my home computer hooked up to two 24 inch dell 2412m and mainly office productivity with some coding on the side.
Nov 11, 2019 03:00 AM
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msk12Nov 11, 2019 03:00 AM
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Quote from fadegs :
Can someone else with stock configuration run Passmark and let us know your CPU score? I'm getting 7-8K, not the 9K+ the wiki states.
Mine hit 10K for the CPU Mark (79th percentile). I set the power profile to high performance and had it plugged in. My overall PassMark Rating was 4041.9 (77th percentile). I have no idea if these are good results or not.

Edit: just noticed you mentioned stock. Mine has a RAM and SSD upgrade.
Nov 11, 2019 03:10 AM
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SaveAndWasteOnSDNov 11, 2019 03:10 AM
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Quote from casetronic :
Well I seem to have solved the issue by unplugging/re-plugging the power plug. CPU instantly ramped up to 34-37 multiplier then hovered around 11-12 multiplier while I was test streaming a x265 4k movie. Fan ramped up accordingly.

So, either it's a software bug causing the waking cpu to not recognize that is should ramp speeds depending on workload (should be fixed with a bios update), OR a few of us got bad power ports causing this issue.

Thanks for the tips, and hope my workaround helps too!
Thank to Casetronic for the workaround!
It definitely wakes up the CPU from being throttled by unplugging/replugging the power cable!

It seems like this issue doesn't happen ALL the time. I wonder if it's a BIOS firmware bug or it's a power adapter/port issue.

One thing for sure though, is that, when the CPU is throttled, it's the WHOLE computer is slow as soon as it's turned on. It's even slow when navigating in the BIOS setting page.

TLDR: If your system/cpu gets throttled when you wake your computer up from sleeping, you can un-throttle / unlock the CPU by unplugging / replugging in the power cableCredit to "Casetronic".
Thanks.
Nov 11, 2019 03:10 AM
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fadegsNov 11, 2019 03:10 AM
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Quote from msk12 :
Mine hit 10K for the CPU Mark (79th percentile). I set the power profile to high performance and had it plugged in. My overall PassMark Rating was 4041.9 (77th percentile). I have no idea if these are good results or not.

Edit: just noticed you mentioned stock. Mine has a RAM and SSD upgrade.
Thanks, that's a very good score. I think the ram upgrade makes a big difference. Hopefully someone with stock configuration can run Passmark and confirm this.
Nov 11, 2019 03:10 AM
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SaveAndWasteOnSDNov 11, 2019 03:10 AM
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Quote from utsc :
Sorry you may have already performed these suggestions or answered these questions:

1) Did you try updating the Bios and drivers manually (Auto Update does not always work)
2) Did you format your computer and do fresh install of windows 10 from scratch by downloading the windows directly from Microsoft using the installation tool
https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/s.../windows10 [microsoft.com]

3) If things don't work out you can take advantage of the 90 day return policy
1) I did not try to do the BIOS update as it's the newest already. As for the driver, I only updated the trackpad driver there's a newer version on HP support page.

2) No, I did not format the computer or re=install a fresh copy of windows.

3) Yes, if it keeps on happening, I will go exchange one.

Thanks.
Nov 11, 2019 03:11 AM
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ShrewdBanana4713Nov 11, 2019 03:11 AM
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With the CPU being 10th gen i5 and no dedicated GPU, I am feeling pretty confident that this will be able to do general low end apps and minecraft as a lan server so my 2 kids could play together?
Nov 11, 2019 03:14 AM
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SaveAndWasteOnSDNov 11, 2019 03:14 AM
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Quote from Penguina :
About your CPU clock locked at 400MHz, I found something that is definitely related to your system that causes this behavior. Now bear in mind my system is fine, and I don't have any issues with speed, fan speed etc, and I was just creating a new power plan (to adjust power usage).

I clicked on the "battery Icon", and in one of the clickable battery setting was a "Battery Saver" button. As soon as I activated it (clicked it, turned blue color),
the task manager showed instantly that my CPU speed changed from whatever it was instantly to 0.39GHz, and it never deviates from it.

So... I am guessing if you're locked at 400MHz CPU speed, it is related to "battery saver" setting activation.

Hope it help you to tracking things down.
Yes, I think it's got something to do with the power management too as I did change the power setting to "Best Battery"

So maybe there's a bug with the power management in BIOS?
Because once the CPU clock is locked at 400Mhz in Windows, it is slow everywhere and rebooting wouldn't help. When that happens, even going into BIOS, or system diagnostic is painfully slow.

However, Casetronic's workaround of unplugging / replugging does work perfectly temporarily.

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Nov 11, 2019 03:17 AM
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PagalNov 11, 2019 03:17 AM
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Quote from RespectSlickyD :
considering the cost to upgrade the ram to 8gb, no touchscreen, smaller ssd, and smaller screen vs 15.6, why is this laptop getting much more attention than Costco's other budget laptops?
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=131762896&postcount=1
You are correct for option 3 , $100 boosts the unit to larger screen size 15.6in with numeric keypad, touch screen, 1080p, 8 MB RAM, and 512MB ssd. Only downside is i3 vs i5. The creep in cost may be worth it.
Nov 11, 2019 03:26 AM
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kdawg954Nov 11, 2019 03:26 AM
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So after starting on a full charge around 12:45p on a balanced power setting and basically browsing internet and watching short clips . . .I made it to 9:15 pm before the computer entered sleep mode.

8.5 hours. Pretty impressive.
Nov 11, 2019 03:28 AM
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RamDrive51Nov 11, 2019 03:28 AM
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Slightly off topic - HP does not have a user/service manual for this device on its website?
I can only find the specsheet. And no, please don't refer me to the manual of the 2018 version. Based on the images posted so far, the motherboard is clearly different.

I've sent a mail to HP for this. Meanwhile i thought i'd raise this here...
Nov 11, 2019 03:32 AM
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FIRESOONNov 11, 2019 03:32 AM
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Is this still equipped with i5 G4?
I just bought with my $25 coupon, and I don't want to return after I find out it come with i3...
Nov 11, 2019 03:38 AM
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redpoint5Nov 11, 2019 03:38 AM
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Quote from phocean :
Costco is very strict to enforce the 90 days policy, at least my store. I had purchased two lg monitors earlier this year and did not open one of them until the date right after the three month mark. Found 2 dead pixels in the middle of the screen and both local warehouse and online agent rejected my return. Went to another warehouse and finally they allowed me to return and rebuy the same monitor.
There's unlimited warranty on everything. Buy the exact same thing and return the old product with the new receipt. As long as the product uses the same SKU and is for sale, you're covered.
Nov 11, 2019 03:47 AM
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KurisumasNov 11, 2019 03:47 AM
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Already settled on this laptop and was searching around for reviews and photos when I came here and saw people saying the i3 is actually an i5. Thus, I ordered immediately. I really hope I get that i5. This would be a rlly good deal in that case.
Nov 11, 2019 03:51 AM
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jacktNov 11, 2019 03:51 AM
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Quote from RamDrive51 :
Slightly off topic - HP does not have a user/service manual for this device on its website?
I can only find the specsheet. And no, please don't refer me to the manual of the 2018 version. Based on the images posted so far, the motherboard is clearly different.

I've sent a mail to HP for this. Meanwhile i thought i'd raise this here...
Yeah I only saw the manual for older systems on the product support page. Do post back if you get your hands on the manual.

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Nov 11, 2019 03:57 AM
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dcguy703Nov 11, 2019 03:57 AM
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Since this comes with a SSD how quickly does this boot up to the windows login screen? I assume no lag performing basic taks in windows?

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