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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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Nov 11, 2019 05:49 PM
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jacktNov 11, 2019 05:49 PM
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Quote from phocean :
Got one from google shopping. I found the keyboard to be decent. Trackpad is horrible and it makes annoying squeak noise. Plan to put in a bit silicon underneath it to fix.

Grabbed an inland premium 512GB and one 16GB ram new off ebay for $95 total.

For a total $354 + tax, the machine is with i5 10th gen, 20gb ram, 512 nvme, ips and backlit keyboard. Totally worth it!
I fixed the issue with the loose touchpad. See my long post there's a section there with a link to photos and instructions.
https://slickdeals.net/f/13524451-costco-members-hp-14-laptop-i3-1005g1-4gb-ddr4-128gb-ssd-win-10-s-280-free-shipping?v=1&p=131670541#post131670541

Can you post the eBay listings listings for your add-ons? Curious to see the items & prices.
Nov 11, 2019 05:51 PM
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elainesjNov 11, 2019 05:51 PM
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Where and how much to buy cheap but good 8gb RAM that would fit this laptop? Thx!
Nov 11, 2019 05:52 PM
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NitrohamsterNov 11, 2019 05:52 PM
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Quote from npatel555 :
those who bought this laptop, check the specs
I Picked this up at Costco for $279.99 + tax .It's i5-1035g4 (1.10GHz) Processor, 4GB RAM, 128GB SSD.

Great deal for 279.99 specially with i5 processor.
Any tips on ordering so I can score the i5 processor for the i3 cost?
I ordered and only got the i3 for 279.99, but I want the i5.
How do I order so that I get the i5?
Nov 11, 2019 05:55 PM
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WIckedNewsNov 11, 2019 05:55 PM
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Quote from jackt :
I fixed the issue with the loose touchpad. See my long post there's a section there with a link to photos and instructions.
https://slickdeals.net/f/13524451-costco-members-hp-14-laptop-i3-1005g1-4gb-ddr4-128gb-ssd-win-10-s-280-free-shipping?v=1&p=131670541#post131670541

Can you post the eBay listings listings for your add-ons? Curious to see the items & prices.

Jack people want to see you take out the fan and apply thermal paste to cpu.
Nov 11, 2019 05:58 PM
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speedbump47Nov 11, 2019 05:58 PM
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Quote from jinmc :
is Dual channel important for 10th gen intel?
Seems to give folks some tangible benchmark improvement. Not sure how much it translates to real world noticeable improvement.
Nov 11, 2019 06:01 PM
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jacktNov 11, 2019 06:01 PM
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Quote from WIckedNews :
Jack people want to see you take out the fan and apply thermal paste to cpu.
That endeavor is beyond my training and pay grade.
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Nov 11, 2019 06:06 PM
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Quote from jackt :
Wow all you guys with under 12 second boot times... I timed mine with a stopwatch and it was like 20+ seconds to the login screen. Fully stock no upgrades.

I have done a few things.
1. added 16GB ramstick (moving stock 4GB to 2nd slot) to 20GB.

2. I turned off virtual memory swap disk (Control panel > System and security > System > advanced system settings > system properties > advanced tab > performance options and turned off using hard drive as paging file ). Before I turned it off, I think it was using something like 2GB disk space for paging file.
This alone will help a lot, if you have the RAM memory to spare.

2B. Before you try a cold boot, make sure your power plan is all out, and you have it plugged in, but I am only using the default "HP recommended power plan"

2C. I turned off Cortana, location, camera, and turned off all that "Let Microsoft help you" stuff. Obviously, the more of those you turn off, the more the computer can do for you. That's up to you.

3. downloaded AMD RAMDISK from DataRAM (allows you to create 1GB RAMDISK for free)

4. I downloaded Firefox, and installed it within the 1G (Drive D) RAMDrive, I also copied firefox profiles directory there, but I have been doing this for a long time.
Whether you do this or not will not have bearing on your boot speed. Step #1 & #2 is what I think will improve your speed. This particular step I've been doing because I like the speed of browsing, and eliminates the SSD wear & tear from all that browser cache read/writes.

5. If you don't use some of the Microsoft features, you can go and turn them off; obviously this isn't for everybody -- but I have went and turned off:

Windows Fax and Scan
Internet Printing Client
Internet Explorer 11
Windows PowerShell 2.0 (including powershell engine)
Work Folders client

I'm sure others will have plenty of tips

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ash_kgNov 11, 2019 06:12 PM
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Quote from jackt :
I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop...

How much did u pay for the additional memory.. Any links ?
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maleseattle2Nov 11, 2019 06:15 PM
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Thanks for info, but found one at Costco that may be better for me.
Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Touchscreen Laptop - 8th Gen Intel Core i3-8145U - 1080p
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Item 1393687
Model i3583-3800BLK-PUS
Online Price469.99$
Less120.00$-
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349.99$
$349.99 After $120 OFF
$120 manufacturer's savings** is valid 11/7/19 through 11/21/19. While supplies last. Limit 5 per member. Sales may not have occurred at original price previously.
Shipping & Handling: $9.99*
Features:
8th Gen Intel® Core™ i3-8145U Processor 2.1GHz
802.11 Dual Band Wireless-AC WLAN + Bluetooth® 4.1
Integrated Widescreen HD 720P Webcam
1x HDMI


Just bit more, but has touch screen, much larger SSD and double memory. Not sure if upgraded and has I3. However, most of us would be better served not having to buy and install memory and SSD to reach these specs. Touch screen is good too. I ordered other $280 costco, but might return for this one. What do folks think?
Nov 11, 2019 06:25 PM
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ChargrNov 11, 2019 06:25 PM
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^^ that is a snail compare to this laptop.

Anyone have picture of how the display quality?
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srikanth8Nov 11, 2019 06:31 PM
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Quote from maleseattle2 :
Thanks for info, but found one at Costco that may be better for me.
Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Touchscreen Laptop - 8th Gen Intel Core i3-8145U - 1080p..

I understand that you like the touchscreen. But what else do you find useful?
Last edited by Gosh November 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM.
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jacktNov 11, 2019 06:32 PM
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Thanks for info, but found one at Costco that may be better for me.
Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Touchscreen Laptop - 8th Gen Intel Core i3-8145U - 1080p
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Item 1393687
Model i3583-3800BLK-PUS
Online Price469.99$
Less120.00$-
Your Price
349.99$
$349.99 After $120 OFF
$120 manufacturer's savings** is valid 11/7/19 through 11/21/19. While supplies last. Limit 5 per member. Sales may not have occurred at original price previously.
Shipping & Handling: $9.99*
Features:
8th Gen Intel® Core™ i3-8145U Processor 2.1GHz
802.11 Dual Band Wireless-AC WLAN + Bluetooth® 4.1
Integrated Widescreen HD 720P Webcam
1x HDMI


Just bit more, but has touch screen, much larger SSD and double memory. Not sure if upgraded and has I3. However, most of us would be better served not having to buy and install memory and SSD to reach these specs. Touch screen is good too. I ordered other $280 costco, but might return for this one. What do folks think?
If you're mainly web surfing and streaming tv & movies, I doubt you'll notice much difference in performance between the two processors even though the HP one is a generation newer and a mid-grade i5 vs the Dell's entry-grade i3.

But I do think that 14" vs 15.6" display laptops are entirely different. In this case, the 14" inch HP weighs 2.3 lb and the Dell weighs 4.5 lb.
https://www.costco.com/dell-inspi...26297.html
That right there is a huge difference for some people, including me. I would never consider a 15.6" laptop because barring a few very expensive lightweight exceptions they are not as pleasant to carry around the house with one hand. But that may not be a concern for you at all, in which case the larger one may be a better deal.

Lastly, HP does make their laptops a bit difficult to open with lots of clips inside that you need to separate by prying around the entire perimeter of the case using a plastic spudger or a thin guitar pick. If you're not comfortable doing that, you are better off getting something that you don't need to upgrade.
Nov 11, 2019 06:33 PM
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Quote from maleseattle2 :
Thanks for info, but found one at Costco that may be better for me.
Dell Inspiron 15 3000 Touchscreen Laptop - 8th Gen Intel Core i3-8145U - 1080p
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Item 1393687
Model i3583-3800BLK-PUS
Online Price469.99$
Less120.00$-
Your Price
349.99$
$349.99 After $120 OFF
$120 manufacturer's savings** is valid 11/7/19 through 11/21/19. While supplies last. Limit 5 per member. Sales may not have occurred at original price previously.
Shipping & Handling: $9.99*
Features:
8th Gen Intel® Core™ i3-8145U Processor 2.1GHz
802.11 Dual Band Wireless-AC WLAN + Bluetooth® 4.1
Integrated Widescreen HD 720P Webcam
1x HDMI


Just bit more, but has touch screen, much larger SSD and double memory. Not sure if upgraded and has I3. However, most of us would be better served not having to buy and install memory and SSD to reach these specs. Touch screen is good too. I ordered other $280 costco, but might return for this one. What do folks think?
I say play with it but I highly doubt you will use touchscreen much when using pc. You chosen the lowest tier processor i3 8th gen which means you got the Toyota Corolla performance, i5 you get camry, and i7 you get Lexus.
Nov 11, 2019 06:37 PM
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maleseattle2Nov 11, 2019 06:37 PM
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Quote from srikanth8 :
I understand that you like the touchscreen. But what else do you find useful?
Has twice ram and about 4 times size of ssd, and not have to order and open up computer to make changes. Seems it would work for most of us doing normal stuff, and not needing small increase in speed with i5. Yes, the touchscreen would also be good. Went to Dell site, and it appears they are making this one special for Costco.

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Nov 11, 2019 06:40 PM
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Quote from maleseattle2 :
Has twice ram and about 4 times size of ssd, and not have to order and open up computer to make changes. Seems it would work for most of us doing normal stuff, and not needing small increase in speed with i5. Yes, the touchscreen would also be good. Went to Dell site, and it appears they are making this one special for Costco.

Then go with dell since their case and touchpad is much better quality than hP! Hp is made in China whereas dell is made in Mexico.

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