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Costco Members: HP 14" Laptop: i3-1005G1, 4GB DDR4, 128GB SSD, Win 10 S

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: HP 14" Laptop (14-dq1033cl) on sale for $279.99. Shipping is free. Thanks delz4stelz

Note, non-members are subject to a 5% surcharge making total $299.99

Specs:
  • Intel Core i3-1005G1 1.2GHz Processor
  • 14" IPS BrightView WLED-Backlit FHD 1920x1080 Display
  • 4GB DDR4 2666 SDRAM
  • 128GB M.2 Solid State Drive
  • Intel UHD Graphics
  • 802.11ac (2x2) Wifi + Bluetooth 5.0
  • 3-Cell 41WHr Lithium-Ion Battery
  • Windows 10 S Mode
  • Weight: 3.24 lbs
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.1 Type-C
    • 2x USB 3.1 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 1.4b
    • 1x Multi-Format Digital Media Card Reader
    • 1x Combination Headphone-Out/Microphone-In Jack

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
Offer is valid through November 21, 2019. Includes 2-Year warranty. -slickdewmaster

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jackt
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I've already opened up and upgraded this laptop.


Removing the back cover to do upgrades:
There are 8 Philips-head screws altogether, all on the back cover. 4 of them are underneath the two rubber strips. The rubber strips are attached using double-sided tape with a strong adhesive, so be careful when removing them and try not to separate the tape from the rubber strip. Tip from @msk12: Heat up and loosen the adhesive before removing the rubber feet. I haven't done this before, but maybe a blow dryer or a cloth bag filled with microwaved uncooked rice would work. You don't need to completely remove the rubber strips- just peel back enough to expose the screws. There is an image of all the screw locations in the link below. Also be careful not to pull outward or pull very hard, as you'll stretch the rubber strip that way. Just very slowly but firmly pull it upward, almost as if you are rolling it off. You'll need a pretty thin plastic spudger to detach all the clips holding the bottom cover to the laptop. A credit card may be too thick. Photos of the inside of the laptop, the inside of the back cover, the screw locations, and where to use the spudger to remove the back cover: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv


CPU:
The CPU is indeed an i5-1035G4. I got two of them in Los Angeles and both have this CPU. At first I couldn't believe it, but I ran CPU-Z and it's definitely confirmed. On 11/15/19 two people confirmed that they received units with the same model number but with the i3 CPU. The side of the box will say which CPU is in the box- there are some posts in this thread showing a picture of the label on the side of the box. When buying at the warehouse, I recommend going to the merchandise pickup window first and asking to see the side of the box to confirm that it has the i5 CPU. Then ask them nicely to hold that box for a few minutes while you go pay for it at checkout.

One point of concern is that in the pre-installed HP Support Assistant app as well as on the motherboard it says "model number 14-dq1033cl". The spec sheet for that model on the HP website says the CPU is an Intel® Core™ i3-1005G1. https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06463284 Not sure what would happen if this computer needs a warranty motherboard/CPU replacement. if you check Windows System Information for the model number, it says "HP Laptop 14-dq1xxx".

Intel has had a lot of production problems with these 10nm Ice Lake chips. My theory on why this system has this upgraded CPU is that at the last minute Intel had trouble supplying the lower-end i3 chips so they or HP decided to just use these i5 chips so they can meet Costco's delivery expectations. HP would not normally pair this CPU with such little memory and slow SATA storage.


Integrated Graphics:
The new Ice Lake CPUs come with 3 integrated graphics options, as indicated by the last 2 characters in the CPU's model number:
- G1, basic
- G4, intermediate
- G7, highest level

G4 and G7 are labeled Iris Plus Graphics. This model has G4 graphics.


Storage:
The laptop comes with a M.2 SATA interface SSD, but I replaced it with a HP EX920 1TB NVMe SSD. The new SSD works just fine, so this laptop is compatible with NVMe drives. The easiest way to put Windows on a new SSD drive would be:
1) create a recovery thumb drive from the laptop itself, within Windows. Start menu > Recovery Drive
2) Swap out the SSD
3) Boot up to the USB drive. Just insert the thumb drive and turn on the laptop. It'll boot from the USB drive when it can't find an operating system on your new SSD drive.
4) Restore windows to the new SSD drive from the USB drive.

There are a number of posts in this thread with instructions on how to do a clean installation of Windows, which would install Windows without the bloatware that came with the laptop. It's easy to get stuck in a Catch-22 using this method, where you need to connect to the internet to exit S Mode before you can install the WiFi driver and all the other drivers, but you can't exit S Mode or connect to the internet until you've installed the WiFi driver. If you want to go this route, be sure to read the thread carefully and have a plan for installing the WiFi driver.

There is a space next to the battery where a 2.5" drive would fit, but if you look at the photo I attached of the inside of the back cover you'll see that there's a lattice-like grid on it to give that empty space some rigidity. I haven't tried, but it looks like you cannot put a 2.5" drive there.


Memory:
There are 2 upgradable SODIMM slots. No DRAM is soldered to the motherboard. The laptop comes with a single 4GB SODIMM, and 1 empty slot. I installed Crucial 16GB Kit (8GBx2) DDR4 2666 MT/s (PC4-21300) SR x8 SODIMM 260-Pin Memory - CT2K8G4SFS8266 and it works well. The Crucial website actually recommends DDR4 3200, but the 4GB SODIMM that came with the laptop is DDR4 2666.


WiFi/Bluetooth - Support for WiFi 6:
The laptop comes with a Realtek RTL8822CE 2x2 WiFi AC + BT 5 module. They're used in a lot of laptops, including models that are much more expensive than this one. However, there are definitely more complaints about problems with the Realtek wireless cards compared to the Intel cards on the HP support forums, so I decided to switch to an Intel card since I had the laptop opened up anyway. This laptop will work with an Intel WiFi AX200 WiFi 6 + Bluetooth 5 module. You're gonna need to have the AX200 driver on a thumb drive before you install the WiFi module, as you won't be able to connect to the internet to download the new driver after you replace the Realtek module that came with the laptop. https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...Fi-6-AX200


No USB-C charging or DisplayPort/HDMI output via USB-C:
As per the specs, the USB-C port doesn't have Power Delivery or Extended USB-C capabilities (namely DisplayPort & HDMI output). So essentially the USB-C port functions like a regular USB 3.0 Type-A port. Someone in this thread tested this and confirmed that this model has no charging or video output through the USB-C port.


Fan noise:
I've been using two of these laptops for several days now. I'm pretty sensitive to fan noise because my prior laptop has a very quiet fan, even at its highest speed. The fan on this HP seems to have two or three speeds. The lowest speed I can only hear if I put my ear to the unit. I'm not even sure there is a low fan speed- I may just be hearing the components hum. The medium setting I find noticeable but not a big deal since I usually have music or a podcast on when I'm working. The high setting definitely is distracting. Both of my units have a very faint high-pitched whine when the fan is spinning at high, slightly more noticeable on one unit than the other.

After all the setting up and updating is done, when you're just using it, the fan doesn't ramp up that often. And when it does turn on, it doesn't stay on medium or high speed for very long. It runs quiet 90-95% of the time for me. This is for regular web browsing and office apps, either on my lap or on my desk connected to a DisplayLink device driving two 1920x1200 displays and a bunch of peripherals. When it's on my desk it's on a stand that's open underneath to allow for ventilation.


Loose and rattling touchpad:
One of my units came with a loose touchpad that made a clicking sound when I tapped on it very lightly. Here's how to fix a loose touchpad on this unit: https://imgur.com/a/zXufcNv
Start with the photo that says "Removing the battery"


DisplayLink bug and installing drivers not pre-approved by HP:
If you have one of those popular DisplayLink USB 3.0 docking stations, there's a bug with Chrome's hardware acceleration mode that causes a lot of lag on screens that are driven by the DisplayLink device. To fix it, you need to install the latest Intel graphics driver. HP blocks the usual method of running the downloaded executable, so you will have to download the driver ZIP file and install it in Device Manager.
Intel graphics driver ZIP file: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/...uct=197599
Special instructions for installing the driver (regular method won't work): https://www.intel.co.uk/content/w...ivers.html
You can follow those same instructions to install drivers that HP hasn't vetted and approved yet, when the executable driver installation file doesn't work.


Changing from Windows 10 Home S Mode to regular Windows 10 Home:
Instructions here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-of-s-mode
Also, the BIOS it came with is F.04, which looks like the most current version. I downloaded the BIOS update from the HP website and installed it anyway for good measure. After I did that, it reverted my Windows installation back to S Mode and I could not get it to switch out of S mode. I had to reset Windows and then I was able to switch it out of S mode again. https://support.microsoft.com/en-...-reinstall
One major concern with this issue is that future BIOS updates may have the same bug, and setting up Windows all over again after having used the computer for a while may be a lot of work.


Costco Price Adjustment:
If you bought this laptop at $400 before it went on sale today for $280, Costco won't do a price adjustment for you because this sale is part of their holiday promo book and those items are limited to availability. So you'll have to buy a new one at the lower price and do a return with the previous $400 receipt. You can actually return the new unopened one you just bought using the old receipt.


Chase Freedom Card 5% Cash Back if used via Chase Pay connected to Samsung Pay:
If buying in-store and a) you have a Chase Freedom Card and b) you have Samsung Pay:
1) Activate the Q4 2019 bonus categories, which are a) department stores, b) PayPal, and c) Chase Pay
https://creditcards.chase.com/fre...cards/home
2) Connect your Freedom Card to Chase Pay
3) Connect Chase Pay to Samsung Pay
4) Connect your Freedom Card to Samsung Pay through Chase Pay. You can't just enter the card number directly into Samsung Pay.
5) Pay for your purchase using Samsung Pay. Be sure to select your Chase Freedom Card. You'll get 5% cash back.
kubavance
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You have clearly already checked out, and that's perfectly fine. I'm going to respond anyway to clear up what I consider to be some misconceptions regarding this $280 laptop. I'd hate for people to start second-guessing their purchase just because they read some negative comments.

I'm not going to make assumptions about how much you know about modern processors, so I'll just mention some basics. Ever since the invention of turbo boosting, pretty much all processors "throttle" under load. The CPU uses a complicated algorithm to determine which frequency each core should run at in any given moment. The algorithm takes into account power limits and temperature sensor data and the duration of heavy workloads, among other things.

Intel and to a lesser extent the device manufacturer can set power limits for the processor to make sure the processor can run safely in a given chassis. These are known as PL1 and PL2. The CPU can only run in PL2 for a limited time (we're talking seconds or minutes) before it has to throttle back to PL1 to maintain reasonable temperatures. From my very limited testing, it would appear that PL2 for this laptop is set at around 26W, and PL1 is around 18W. Remember, this is a 15W processor.

The new Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 has the Core i7 version of the same Ice Lake processor found in this HP, only its configured for 25W. This means that the Dell chassis has theoretically been designed to dissipate at least 10W more of heat. It's also an $1,800 laptop with 16GB of memory. It should have a huge advantage. According to notebookcheck's review (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Del...573.0.html), the Dell XPS 13 achieves a high score of ~830 the first several times you run Cinebench R15 before thermal soak sets in (meaning it gets capped to PL1), after which it scores about 660 consistently.

I just ran Cinebench R15 about 10 times in a row on my HP 14 and got about 580 consistently (first run was about 600). CPU power held steady at 18W and temperatures hovered around 75 degrees Celsius. That's not throttling--that's working as designed.

Are you really that disappointed that your $280 laptop (with a HUGE RAM disadvantage) only scores within 10-15% of an $1800 Dell?
SociableMusic247
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This one has g4 graphics and the 399$ one is a g1 - no upgrade can fix that.
120 $ can buy more than a 256 gb SSD and 4 gigs og RAM.
Also note that this has a better wifi module...

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Nov 15, 2019 01:27 PM
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MichaelM7680Nov 15, 2019 01:27 PM
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What's a better ram configuration, 8gb x2 for 16gb total or 16gb plus 4gb for 20gb total?
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SpinControl
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Quote from MichaelM7680 :
What's a better ram configuration, 8gb x2 for 16gb total or 16gb plus 4gb for 20gb total?
One 16GB stick (20GB total) per someone's passmark due to more RAM.

You'll pay more for a single 16GB stick (like $5-$6 more), but it'll increase the score by 10%.
Real world difference?
Probably unnoticeable.
Advantage? ability to upgrade with another single 16GB stick in the future.
Disadvantage:. you only get dual channel for 8GB (original 4, plus 4 of the 16 stick). But that doesn't matter as the scores are higher and again not noticeable. Also, another disadvantage is that you can't sell the 4GB stick to offset the cost. So, it's actually $15-$16 more to use the single 16GB stick (vs two 8GB sticks) for 10% gain and flexibility to add more RAM in the future.
Last edited by SpinControl November 15, 2019 at 05:51 AM.
Nov 15, 2019 02:03 PM
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kuttoosanNov 15, 2019 02:03 PM
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Build quality is not good enough for a $400 laptop. Center part of keyboard has too much flex. Normal typing itself pushes down the plastic frame quite a bit inside. Performance is good. opening the laptop is kind of a pain and will surely break some clips after 3-4 openings.
Overall decent laptop for $280 and the display is the best part of the laptop imo. Very good quality display.
Nov 15, 2019 02:03 PM
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ken_snisenNov 15, 2019 02:03 PM
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Quote from illusion27 :
You will if you undervolt it . I came as close to 10800 and it also increased my battery life !

For fan issues repasting helped a lot and it keeps my fan silent until it hits 55 or so.
oh dang, it actually worked! i undervolted it by 50mV like others have posted and got to 10700s!
Nov 15, 2019 02:12 PM
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jromek90Nov 15, 2019 02:12 PM
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Some of these rams are on sale on newegg. Are any better then this one.

https://promotions.newegg.com/NEe...rt-_-promo

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16...6820232166

It seems better to go with 2 8gb instead of upgrading to one 16gb and using the existing 4gb. Thoughts on all this and thanks in advance!!
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beermanpigNov 15, 2019 02:31 PM
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Quote from ken_snisen :
oh dang, it actually worked! i undervolted it by 50mV like others have posted and got to 10700s!
the Intel XTU doest qork right?
Nov 15, 2019 02:39 PM
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beand1pNov 15, 2019 02:39 PM
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What's a good price for 4gb RAM? Would this one work? https://www.ebay.com/p/2002868393...1872623304

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Nov 15, 2019 02:45 PM
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clairvoyantxNov 15, 2019 02:45 PM
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Quote from hristopelov :
the Intel XTU doest qork right?
XTU isn't supported with ice lake. I used Throttle Stop which also hasn't been officially updated for ice lake but still works for adjusting turbo multipliers and voltage. It doesn't seem to work for adjusting PL1, PL2 turbo limit settings

I only adjusted CPU core, CPU cache, and Intel GPU, offset -50mv. Any lower and it would freeze during one of the Passmark graphics benchmark. I also turned on Speed Shift which should improve responsiveness.

I left all the turbo multiplier limits the same, 4 core with 33 multiplier throttles with the Throttlestop bench, but does not on Passmark and most other tasks that aren't stress tests.

Blck is incorrect in Throttlestop so use Task manager or another program to monitor CPU speed during testing if desired.

Throttlestop Guide
https://www.ultrabookreview.com/3...top-guide/
Nov 15, 2019 02:52 PM
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demetronNov 15, 2019 02:52 PM
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Quote from beand1p :
What's a good price for 4gb RAM? Would this one work? https://www.ebay.com/p/2002868393...1872623304 [ebay.com]
No, that one is a DDR3, you need DDR4
Nov 15, 2019 02:52 PM
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ken_snisenNov 15, 2019 02:52 PM
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Quote from hristopelov :
the Intel XTU doest qork right?
used throttlestop
Nov 15, 2019 03:13 PM
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DeibidNov 15, 2019 03:13 PM
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Just picked mine up...it is indeed an i5 10th generation Intel! Glad I ordered it!
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SharpDesk9790Nov 15, 2019 03:13 PM
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Do you guys think this is still worth it if I picked it up off someone on Craigslist for $320? I regret not ordering one online as soon as I saw the deal. I don't live very close to a Costco so getting a membership isn't exactly ideal.
edit: or is getting a membership and driving there an option, then canceling as I don't see myself ever needing a membership in the future
Last edited by SharpDesk9790 November 15, 2019 at 07:16 AM.
Nov 15, 2019 03:17 PM
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dashinghunkNov 15, 2019 03:17 PM
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Quote from spextar :
Any comment on these Corsair Vengeance 8GBx2 for $55?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019MRBKYG
That one is 2400 MHz. The 4GB RAM that comes with this laptop is clocked at 2666 MHz.
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beermanpigNov 15, 2019 03:17 PM
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Quote from SharpDesk9790 :
Do you guys think this is still worth it if I picked it up off someone on Craigslist for $320? I regret not ordering one online as soon as I saw the deal. I don't live very close to a Costco so getting a membership isn't exactly ideal.
Cost is $311.59 in CA after tax and $5 fee.
if it is brand new, sealed in box. you arent loosing much

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ptacarlosNov 15, 2019 03:21 PM
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Quote from beand1p :
What's a good price for 4gb RAM? Would this one work? https://www.ebay.com/p/2002868393...1872623304
No I bought this one
Micron 4GB DDR4 PC4 2666V 21300 Laptop RAM Memory PC4-2666V-SC0-11

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