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Black Friday Liquagen Salt-Free Water Conditioner + 1,000,000 Whole House Water Filter System + Free shipping $1087

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I have been wanting an alternative to a water softener. Been looking for a while. They put out the best black friday deal, just pulled the trigger and thought i would share. great deal.
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Sounds like maybe you've done some research on water filtration. Can you explain some of the advantages/disadvantages to this system compared to a traditional water softener?
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I'm seeing $1,232.00 in checkout. 15% does not stack on top, it is included in price
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2nd this, miss my old salt water softener, but don't miss the refilling, wonder how it stacks up.
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I was interested in this (I currently have a traditional salt system) - it seems the media (activated coconut husk or something like that) basically catalyzes the crystallization of Ca and Mg into crystals which do not contribute to scaling - OK I can see that, but more googling gives me info on a competitor product [](same technology) that has the following limitations:
  • Iron, petroleum, or hydrogen sulfide in well water must be removed by pre-treatment.
  • OneFlow media life can be shortened by incoming water with an excess of 3 parts-per-million chlorine. (The media will last longer and perform better if no chlorine is present, so a carbon prefilter should be considered for city water use.
  • If installation is made with new copper pipe, the unit may need to be placed in bypass for a time to protect the OneFlow media from excess copper.

Of course you need a prefilter (particulates) but methinks the above will greatly handicap the practical use of this style of softener. I bet that Fe, H2S, Cl and Cu pollute the media rendering it useless. My well in particular has Fe (I did a water analysis when we bought the place but I know it has Fe), so probably wouldn't be suitable for this technology. I wonder what the prevalence of the above is in wells across the nation?

[Also note that this doesn't "soften" the water technically as the hardness remains the same throughout the process (e.g. amount of mineral in the water) what it does is condition it such that those minerals don't decide to crystallize in pipes and such]
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I've purchased (and got burned) on multiple salt free systems in hopes of getting away from salt. I even installed a Culligan $2500 system with UV light and all. Total waste of money. Then again, I have hard water and so the systems are put to a real test... Not providing a false sense of security.

Ultimately, I ended up installing a flek valve system you can easily purchase from Amazon. Install is the same except you'll need a drain.

I can assure you, it's night and day. The other systems (electric charging/ionization, filtering, Culligan system, etc) do not work. You'll still end up with major hard water scale build up. Once I installed the salt system, it's nearly completely gone. The scale build up is like 1/100th of what it was. Yes, you'll have water waste due to the regen cycle and you'll have to put in salt into the brine tank. I advise you to buy the biggest brine tank you can fit. If you get a brine tank that can handle 200lbs of salt or even 400lbs, you can probably get yourself into filling the salt just every 6 months instead of monthly.

If you want to avoid having to have power or to get a super highly efficient system (less water waste) get yourself a kinetico system. It's pricy, but it's a really elegant system.
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