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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

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Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Apr 29, 2020
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svinokot
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Quote from zagguru :
Have original 30 year fixed mortgage with Wells taken out in 2011 for 4.5%.
Also have HELOC taken out the same year.

Refinancing the mortgage to 15 year with Wells and was able to lock for 2.75% and 3/8th points (120 day lock) APR 2.914. I did shopping around and no one was really able to do better on rate or closing fees. I figured the CEMA would also be easier if doing it with the same bank

Since property is in NY, we will be doing a CEMA.

Closing costs are high though - but at least it was all rolled in

$1500 for Title and attorney (after shopping around for it)
$1000 for "loan processing" - this is bogus but they would not waive it
$1339 for the 3/8 points
$2800 for the recording fees
$625 appraisal and credit fee
Upset that i was not able to include the HELOC in this loan, since Wells stopped doing cash out refi - but i was really happy with the refi rate and didnt want to take any chances of losing out on this for the primary mortgage.

If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions on the above, please do let me know!

Should I see if Better.com would match or beat?
You have paid interest for 9 years. See if it is worth it to refinance here

https://www.creditkarma.com/mortg...calculator direct link may not work, look for refinance calculator.
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zagguru
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Quote from svinokot :
You have paid interest for 9 years. See if it is worth it to refinance here

https://www.creditkarma.com/mortg...calculator direct link may not work, look for refinance calculator.
Thanks.
Why wouldnt if be worth it if I am shaving off 6 years of the mortgage?
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svinokot
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Quote from zagguru :
Thanks.
Why wouldnt if be worth it if I am shaving off 6 years of the mortgage?
The calculator will tell you the whole story when you put in all the numbers. Within the first years you pay the most interest and 9 years is a lot. Now you will start a new loan and again most of your money will go into interest.
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zagguru
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Quote from svinokot :
The calculator will tell you the whole story when you put in all the numbers. Within the first years you pay the most interest and 9 years is a lot. Now you will start a new loan and again most of your money will go into interest.

It might be worth it
You'll pay $300 more a month, but you'll save $82,782 in total interest. It's worth it if you can afford the higher monthly payme

Thats from the calculator
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Quote from zagguru :
Have original 30 year fixed mortgage with Wells taken out in 2011 for 4.5%.
Also have HELOC taken out the same year.

Refinancing the mortgage to 15 year with Wells and was able to lock for 2.75% and 3/8th points (120 day lock) APR 2.914. I did shopping around and no one was really able to do better on rate or closing fees. I figured the CEMA would also be easier if doing it with the same bank

Since property is in NY, we will be doing a CEMA.

Closing costs are high though - but at least it was all rolled in

$1500 for Title and attorney (after shopping around for it)
$1000 for "loan processing" - this is bogus but they would not waive it
$1339 for the 3/8 points
$2800 for the recording fees
$625 appraisal and credit fee
Upset that i was not able to include the HELOC in this loan, since Wells stopped doing cash out refi - but i was really happy with the refi rate and didnt want to take any chances of losing out on this for the primary mortgage.

If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions on the above, please do let me know!

Should I see if Better.com would match or beat?
Absolutely have better take a look at it to see if they can match it, you have nothing to lose.
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Quote from svinokot :
The calculator will tell you the whole story when you put in all the numbers. Within the first years you pay the most interest and 9 years is a lot. Now you will start a new loan and again most of your money will go into interest.
You pay interest each month on whatever your principal balance is that month. You don't pay interest early.
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You pay interest each month on whatever your principal balance is that month. You don't pay interest early.
The same thing.

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funded on march 27th, still no credit.
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Quote from zagguru :
It might be worth it
You'll pay $300 more a month, but you'll save $82,782 in total interest. It's worth it if you can afford the higher monthly payme

Thats from the calculator
Screw using online calculators. What you pasted really is no duh feedback.

Create your own amortization calculator to see the change month to month. You need to KNOW when you're going to recover your closing costs ($8k) moving to this loan. Otherwise it's not worth it.

What if I told you it's gonna take you 6 years to recover that $8k in interest versus principal? Is it worth it? That's the question you need to ask yourself.
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I got my mortgage in 2013, it was already low at 3.875 but with the $2500 credit couldn't hurt to apply. I was surprised my 20 and 15 year rates were higher than what I expected. I have 800+ credit, was quoted 3.25% for 15 year, was looking for below 3%. Does the rate offered matter how much money you finance? My mortgage balance is like $122k so it may be too low. When I played around with the mortgage calculator on better i noticed that if increase the loan amount to $200k or greater it will drop down to 2.875 but it goes up over 3% if I increase the loan amount below $200k. At the $122k rate I originally inquired about it's in the 3.5%+ range so there's definitely a correlation everything else being equal (appraisal value, credit score, etc).
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Quote from avatar13 :
I got my mortgage in 2013, it was already low at 3.875 but with the $2500 credit couldn't hurt to apply. I was surprised my 20 and 15 year rates were higher than what I expected. I have 800+ credit, was quoted 3.25% for 15 year, was looking for below 3%. Does the rate offered matter how much money you finance? My mortgage balance is like $122k so it may be too low. When I played around with the mortgage calculator on better i noticed that if increase the loan amount to $200k or greater it will drop down to 2.875 but it goes up over 3% if I increase the loan amount below $200k. At the $122k rate I originally inquired about it's in the 3.5%+ range so there's definitely a correlation everything else being equal (appraisal value, credit score, etc).
For Better, indeed yes. As you saw, there is an interest rate improvement at a $200k loan. Since I already am below that in my loan, it isn't worth raising to that amount because then I'm a cash-out refi and that carries a higher rate, offsetting the $200k reduction.

I'm 3% w/o points on a 15 year and no escrow at better (2.875 if had escrow). Thankfully my point cost is cheap, at

2.875% with 0.48% point
2.75% with 0.85% point
2.625% with 1.23% point

What sucks is that I sent Better a competing offer with 2.875% with 0 points and $1,295 + recording fees + prepaid interest in closing costs and they aren't budging one iota.

"Loan costs on the estimate you sent is better by $756 but we're offering the $2500 in AMEX statement credit. So the net savings is better by $1744.

We can not discount further as you have the lowest pricing available for your loan amount."
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Quote from CycloneFW :
For Better, indeed yes. As you saw, there is an interest rate improvement at a $200k loan. Since I already am below that in my loan, it isn't worth raising to that amount because then I'm a cash-out refi and that carries a higher rate, offsetting the $200k reduction.

I'm 3% w/o points on a 15 year and no escrow at better (2.875 if had escrow). Thankfully my point cost is cheap, at

2.875% with 0.48% point
2.75% with 0.85% point
2.625% with 1.23% point

What sucks is that I sent Better a competing offer with 2.875% with 0 points and $1,295 + recording fees + prepaid interest in closing costs and they aren't budging one iota.

"Loan costs on the estimate you sent is better by $756 but we're offering the $2500 in AMEX statement credit. So the net savings is better by $1744.

We can not discount further as you have the lowest pricing available for your loan amount."
Interesting i didn't realize the escrow had a better rate. I opted for the non-escrow loan. If you don't mind me asking what is your loan amount requested? You bested my non-escrow rate by a little (3% vs 3.25%).
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SDRebel
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Quote from zagguru :
Have original 30 year fixed mortgage with Wells taken out in 2011 for 4.5%.
Also have HELOC taken out the same year.

Refinancing the mortgage to 15 year with Wells and was able to lock for 2.75% and 3/8th points (120 day lock) APR 2.914. I did shopping around and no one was really able to do better on rate or closing fees. I figured the CEMA would also be easier if doing it with the same bank

Since property is in NY, we will be doing a CEMA.

Closing costs are high though - but at least it was all rolled in

$1500 for Title and attorney (after shopping around for it)
$1000 for "loan processing" - this is bogus but they would not waive it
$1339 for the 3/8 points
$2800 for the recording fees
$625 appraisal and credit fee
Upset that i was not able to include the HELOC in this loan, since Wells stopped doing cash out refi - but i was really happy with the refi rate and didnt want to take any chances of losing out on this for the primary mortgage.

If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions on the above, please do let me know!

Should I see if Better.com would match or beat?
I wonder if the higher fees are due to the heloc? I've been told at some places that the rate when you have a heloc will be higher..so maybe you are buying down the rate?
I also need to refi wiht a heloc
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I will sign all documents tomorrow. They have already given me wiring instructions. I will do it online .
any website status change after you signed papers?

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Quote from SomeXYZ :
any website status change after you signed papers?
No yet, since you have three days to change your mind . I would like wire the closing money the last day .

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