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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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May 22, 2020
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CycloneFW
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Quote from lodit :
Question for the gurus:

I want to refinance to take advantage of the Better/AMEX deal, current rate is 3.5% and LTV is 30%, credit 780+.

Best rates offered currently for me are at the 15-year fixed, conventional.

Now, one caveat: I'm planning to pay off the loan within 5 years (no escrow, I pay taxes and insurance separately).

So, the question is: how should I be shopping for rates?

1. Get the lowest rate with $0 in fees/closing costs.
2. Lower the rate and pay $XXX in fees/closing costs not to exceed the $2500 Amex credit.

I'm thinking option #1 since I'm planning to pay off early and wouldn't gain the savings from the lower rate because I shorted the term.

It seems right, but wanted those who know better to advise.

Thanks!
I went with option 2, as I didn't think rates would get low enough to warrant a refinance again. I think I was wrong. It was $1,500 to keep my current rate (but go fixed vs. adjustable), and $1,000 more to go down a quarter point (2.875% -> 2.625%). Since the Amex credit would have left me with $1,000 that basically would be useless and I'd probably just make a principal payment with it or drop it in a piddly savings account (or drop it in my checking and lost track of it), I decided to put it to better use with the point. HOWEVER, all of this is because I do NOT plan on moving and at sub 3% fixed, I won't be paying the mortgage off sooner. Between inflation and even minor savings, I'm sure I can more it worthwhile to myself to direct those funds elsewhere (like towards earlier retirement).

There is no wrong decision there. While you plan to pay off the loan within 5 years, do you plan to stay in that home? If so, why do you want to pay it off if you can get a rate in the low 2s?
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lodit
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Quote from CycloneFW :
I went with option 2, as I didn't think rates would get low enough to warrant a refinance again. I think I was wrong. It was $1,500 to keep my current rate (but go fixed vs. adjustable), and $1,000 more to go down a quarter point (2.875% -> 2.625%). Since the Amex credit would have left me with $1,000 that basically would be useless and I'd probably just make a principal payment with it or drop it in a piddly savings account (or drop it in my checking and lost track of it), I decided to put it to better use with the point. HOWEVER, all of this is because I do NOT plan on moving and at sub 3% fixed, I won't be paying the mortgage off sooner. Between inflation and even minor savings, I'm sure I can more it worthwhile to myself to direct those funds elsewhere (like towards earlier retirement).

There is no wrong decision there. While you plan to pay off the loan within 5 years, do you plan to stay in that home? If so, why do you want to pay it off if you can get a rate in the low 2s?
The goal is to be debt-free within 5 years and just banking/investing my income.

Don't know that I'll stay in the home after 5 years, just depends on where I'm at financially and family-wise.

Right now I'm being offered 3.125% with no closing costs/fees, nothing out of pocket.
To get to sub-3%, it's roughly $1k+ in points, etc., but mathematically I won't get the $1k+ back in savings until a few years down the road, at which point I'll have paid off the house.

One wrinkle may be to take out some equity and refinance at the lower rate, since I'll take longer to repay, and that could go to remodeling or landscaping the yard.

That would make more sense perhaps to go for a lower rate.

What say ye?


So there's the dilemma.
May 22, 2020
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dealshunter09
May 22, 2020
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Has anyone tried to refi before getting the $2500 amex credit?
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Is it true that better.com will ONLY match once? ..and if you bring them a 2nd match and they dont match - does that exclude you from the price guarantee?

I was told I am ineligible for the guarantee since they matched my first offer - and to match my 2nd offer, I'd need to lock in a rate.

Pretty much what happened: I got a lower closing cost from Company A.. I have better match and they did. But then Company A came back with another lower offer, Batter did not want to match. And I asked about the guarantee and I was told no, b/c they matched once therefore I am ineligible.
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oneness
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Quote from ap105 :
Is it true that better.com will ONLY match once? ..and if you bring them a 2nd match and they dont match - does that exclude you from the price guarantee?

I was told I am ineligible for the guarantee since they matched my first offer - and to match my 2nd offer, I'd need to lock in a rate.

Pretty much what happened: I got a lower closing cost from Company A.. I have better match and they did. But then Company A came back with another lower offer, Batter did not want to match. And I asked about the guarantee and I was told no, b/c they matched once therefore I am ineligible.
I'll find out today. They already matched at 3% no points for 30 yr loan for about $176,000 and I have been locked in for a week or so now.
Now I'm being offered 2.875% no points and a $500 lender credit from someone else (Garden State Home Loans in NJ)

I uploaded the new LE to my profile but my loan application is now in closing phase. I emailed my loan processor to let them know I uploaded a new LE, she said she will let me know if they can match it.

UPDATE: so they declined to match any further. I've decided to move forward with Better because of the AMEX bonus even though the other offer is better. I feel like it's at least some risk that that $2500 credit won't come through but I'm willing to trust that it will happen.
I don't want to l lose this opportunity to refinance since I've already pulled credit and if worse comes to worse by July rates are even lower it may make sense to try another refi if I can do this AMEX offer again.
Last edited by oneness May 22, 2020 at 09:31 AM.
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ap105
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Quote from oneness :
I'll find out today. They already matched at 3% no points for 30 yr loan for about $176,000 and I have been locked in for a week or so now.
Now I'm being offered 2.875% no points and a $500 lender credit from someone else (Garden State Home Loans in NJ)

I uploaded the new LE to my profile but my loan application is now in closing phase. I emailed my loan processor to let them know I uploaded a new LE, she said she will let me know if they can match it.
I see - well if your already locked with them, i doubt theyll match. And I was given a deadline of midnight to accept Better.com match. ya noooooo.
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My loan is funded on 04/06, I still didnt receive ny creidt yet. Its 6 weeks already. Frown

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Quote from ap105 :
I see - well if your already locked with them, i doubt theyll match. And I was given a deadline of midnight to accept Better.com match. ya noooooo.
yea I'm not expecting them to match but hoping they'll surprise me. Rates seem to be dropping and competition is fierce I'm even considering delaying this another month or two.
Funny how the more you talk to brokers/lenders the better and better deals you'll get. Especially when you start going back and forth with competitive loan estimates.

I actually locked with my other broker and am still locked as a backup in case the Better deal falls through. When I told them I need to cancel it that's when they came back with the 2.875% and $500 credit
Last edited by oneness May 22, 2020 at 07:27 AM.
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I went back and forth with Better multiple times, including getting a match the week of closing. Maybe it is YMMV, but it is possible.
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ap105
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Quote from ColinB :
I went back and forth with Better multiple times, including getting a match the week of closing. Maybe it is YMMV, but it is possible.
I see. I just called and asked for a different expert. I haven't even locked and they wanted me to lock before they could even try to match the 2nd time. I wasn't having it.
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ap105
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Quote from oneness :
yea I'm not expecting them to match. Rates seem to be dropping and competition is fierce I'm even considering delaying this another month or two
Yeah, in no rush to refi.. we're at 3.99 30yrs as is. Rates dropping, hoping for 2.5 haha. probably wont happen.

Dont want to refi and just keep adding on to the principle or giving up cash.
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Quote from lodit :
The goal is to be debt-free within 5 years and just banking/investing my income.

Don't know that I'll stay in the home after 5 years, just depends on where I'm at financially and family-wise.

Right now I'm being offered 3.125% with no closing costs/fees, nothing out of pocket.
To get to sub-3%, it's roughly $1k+ in points, etc., but mathematically I won't get the $1k+ back in savings until a few years down the road, at which point I'll have paid off the house.

One wrinkle may be to take out some equity and refinance at the lower rate, since I'll take longer to repay, and that could go to remodeling or landscaping the yard.

That would make more sense perhaps to go for a lower rate.

What say ye?


So there's the dilemma.
Paying off your house is not a good financial move unless you are fairly old.
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Huzordaddy
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Quote from hacklovemaster :
My loan is funded on 04/06, I still didnt receive ny creidt yet. Its 6 weeks already. Frown
I was funded on April 2. Still waiting for my $2500 Amex credit. I have read people saying to expect it in 8-9 weeks. The language Better.com used was 8-12 weeks. I did receive a confirmation email on 4/3 from better.com that I would receive the credit.
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If you are purchasing a home and in CA, FL or TX consider using the Better real estate program. You get $1,000 lender credit and then $1,000 cash back after closing if you go with a realtor that is part of this group. I currently have $2,000 lender credit, 3% 30 yr and will get the $2,500 statement credit and $1,000 cash back after closing. Quite the deal!

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Quote from Huzordaddy :
I was funded on April 2. Still waiting for my $2500 Amex credit. I have read people saying to expect it in 8-9 weeks. The language Better.com used was 8-12 weeks. I did receive a confirmation email on 4/3 from better.com that I would receive the credit.
Was this just the better.com closing specialist indicating you would get your credit after you submitted your CC task, or was it more of an official automated notification coming from better.com or amex indicating you would?

I closed on 3/26 and was funded on 3/29 and am still waiting. At the time, I just have the closing specialist indicating that they have everything they need to process the credit, but no official communication from better.com or amex that I would be receiving it, just that it'll come in 8-12 weeks.
Last edited by volkl23 May 22, 2020 at 08:41 AM.

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