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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jun 20, 2020
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AJDemineh
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Quote from AJDemineh :

Currently, I am looking at 2 separate offers at 15 year fixed for a 109K loan:

1 is for 3% with 0 points and 3K Closing costs

2 is for 2.875% with 0 points and 4-4.5K Closing costs

Wondering how good these offers are in California currently, im in zip code 93013.

Both banks told me that the rates are slightly higher due to the loan amount being less than 200K.
Not looking for the absolute best rate, as long as they are good, I'm happy. But if it would be pretty easy to find a bit better rate with lower closing costs, I do have the time to do so.

Also, are there any other numbers I should be focusing on beside the interest rate and total closing costs?
Quote from sleekwallet :
those closing costs are kind of high, did you try lenderfi and better?

hard to compare if we dont know the length and amounts
Haven't, one is from a credit union, the other is from Chase, our current lender.
The length and amount should be in the original post.
It's for 15 Year fixed, and 109K
Both people I spoke with said that the rate is slightly higher due to the loan being under 200K.
They said it would be even higher if it was under 100K. Any truth to this?
Also, the closing costs include the "Prepaids and Impounds", totalling 1.15K
Do I not include those when mentioning closing costs?

Also, Credit score is 800+

Edit: Just tried Better, and it gave me offers for 30 Year terms only, no 15 year, but used their calculator and it gave me 4% interest rates??
Edit: Just did lenderfi, they're best offers actually match the same loan terms as the credit union I bank with, the second offer, which I guess, if I don't include the prepaids and impounds part, the closing costs are actually much less, closer to 3.6K
Last edited by AJDemineh June 19, 2020 at 07:59 PM.
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https404
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Quote from vstypicals :
Was it a competitive rate though or was it just their advertised rate on the site?
from my experience with lendfi : working with some one instead online will definitely get you best price
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tigertas32
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Quote from techoin :
I am on my third round. Same property. Used different account and different credit card so far. My loan closing costs are 1.7K so every time along with lower interest rate its money maker

Round I - 3.625% with 4.7K lender credit. Closed in Feb. Amex credit posted after 6 weeks
Round II - 3.25% with 4.3K lender credit. Closed in April. Still waiting for Amex credit. Its 7 weeks already
Round III - 2.875 with 4.7K lender credit. In process.

If AMEX credit posts for all this will be the slickest deal ever. If not still worth it. Savings of thousands of dollar in interest plus each refinance is money maker.
I didn't know they did this. Usually you have to wait 6 months before you can refinance again. Especially with the same company.

But looks like they do so more power to you.
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ans0n
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Quote from techoin :
did you send the quote to closing expert or Concierge?
Sent it to the closing expert
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I am getting a 3.125 apr no cost for 30 year fixed from a lender. Does better.com match/beat the quotes?
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ans0n
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Quick question for those who refinanced through Better.com or elsewhere: For how many days did you pay the interest to both the lenders?

In my case, the loan was funded on 9th and outstanding amount was paid off to old lender on 11th by the settlement agent. Better.com already charged me interest from 9th as prepaids during closing and the old lender naturally charged interest until 11th. Hence, I ended up paying interest to both lenders for 3 days. Is this how refinancing usually works?

I was expecting to pay interest to both entities for 1 day. However, 3 days seemed excessive.
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Quote from ans0n :
Quick question for those who refinanced through Better.com or elsewhere: For how many days did you pay the interest to both the lenders?

In my case, the loan was funded on 9th and outstanding amount was paid off to old lender on 11th by the settlement agent. Better.com already charged me interest from 9th as prepaids during closing and the old lender naturally charged interest until 11th. Hence, I ended up paying interest to both lenders for 3 days. Is this how refinancing usually works?

I was expecting to pay interest to both entities for 1 day. However, 3 days seemed excessive.
Yes. Better starts charging interest on the day of funding, which in essence the day Better disperses funds to the settlement agent. The next day the settlement wires/overnights a check for the payoff. The receiving lender waits until overnight processing fully posts the wire or check in their ledger. So there would be a minimum of a three day lap, unless the settlement agent sends out the wire on the same day as receiving the funds from the new lender, which is uncommon.

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FTHB and rate locked with Better. In IL so buyer is selecting title company. Anyway for me to save money on the fees? All in all estimated $3000 for $650K purchase. Also, an IL question -How are property tax collected under prepaid section? The reason I ask because some loan estimates only collected 2 - 3 months and some wanted 6. This is for Illinois and closing is July but taxes have been moved to October 1st this year. I am trying to keep as much cash at hand.
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Quote from CycloneFW :
Yes. Better starts charging interest on the day of funding, which in essence the day Better disperses funds to the settlement agent. The next day the settlement wires/overnights a check for the payoff. The receiving lender waits until overnight processing fully posts the wire or check in their ledger. So there would be a minimum of a three day lap, unless the settlement agent sends out the wire on the same day as receiving the funds from the new lender, which is uncommon.
That sucks EEK!

Thanks for the detailed response though.
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Quote from varun_v16 :
FTHB and rate locked with Better. In IL so buyer is selecting title company. Anyway for me to save money on the fees? All in all estimated $3000 for $650K purchase. Also, an IL question -How are property tax collected under prepaid section? The reason I ask because some loan estimates only collected 2 - 3 months and some wanted 6. This is for Illinois and closing is July but taxes have been moved to October 1st this year. I am trying to keep as much cash at hand.
I assume you price matched with Better. If you are putting at least 20% down, get a competing quote without escrow and ask Better.com to match it. Then you may keep all the cash in hand and pay it yourself in October.
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Quote from techoin :
I am on my third round. Same property. Used different account and different credit card so far. My loan closing costs are 1.7K so every time along with lower interest rate its money maker

Round I - 3.625% with 4.7K lender credit. Closed in Feb. Amex credit posted after 6 weeks
Round II - 3.25% with 4.3K lender credit. Closed in April. Still waiting for Amex credit. Its 7 weeks already
Round III - 2.875 with 4.7K lender credit. In process.

If AMEX credit posts for all this will be the slickest deal ever. If not still worth it. Savings of thousands of dollar in interest plus each refinance is money maker.
Wow you really take the cake on this, and presumably there may be a Round IV by re-applying just before the July cutoff!

Wish I knew about this deal before last month rather than just focusing on rewards credit cards with a airline point bonus or brokerage/checking accounts with a intro bonus, this could perhaps couldve been a lot more profitable game to play this year Smilie
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Quote from ans0n :
I assume you price matched with Better. If you are putting at least 20% down, get a competing quote without escrow and ask Better.com to match it. Then you may keep all the cash in hand and pay it yourself in October.
They did wave the escrow so that did save 3 month of extra taxes and insurance premium but they said the prepaid section tax value will be recalculated after they query Cook country before closing. I was just trying to understand if I had any say in this section or not.
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ans0n
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Quote from varun_v16 :
They did wave the escrow so that did save 3 month of extra taxes and insurance premium but they said the prepaid section tax value will be recalculated after they query Cook country before closing. I was just trying to understand if I had any say in this section or not.
Without looking at the details, I would assume that they would want sufficient prepaid tax such that your pro-rated part + seller's pro-rated part would be greater than what would be owed to the county in October.

Since escrow is waived, they won't be collecting additional tax from your monthly payments. You should be able to confirm that by looking at your LE.
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baronvdb
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Quote from lowmazda :
So Better.com matched my AimLoan quote. After I lock I can still shop for title insurance, correct? I refi'd 5 years ago so I should be able to get a partial credit for re issuance. (Florida)
Yep, I locked earlier this week. Original LE had like $1500 in title insurance. When I got the auto email from the better rep that was handling the title stuff I told him I thought betters numbers looked a little high and they came back letting me know they adjusted it to the reissue rate of like $800. My original home purchase was December 2015, also in Florida.

Better also had a settlement fee of $500 to start with and I was able to get a competing quote and email it to better and they adjusted my LE to give me $250 more in credits to make up for the higher settlement fee.

It's ain't over yet but so far so good dealing with them.

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Quote from baronvdb :
Yep, I locked earlier this week. Original LE had like $1500 in title insurance. When I got the auto email from the better rep that was handling the title stuff I told him I thought betters numbers looked a little high and they came back letting me know they adjusted it to the reissue rate of like $800. My original home purchase was December 2015, also in Florida.

Better also had a settlement fee of $500 to start with and I was able to get a competing quote and email it to better and they adjusted my LE to give me $250 more in credits to make up for the higher settlement fee.

It's ain't over yet but so far so good dealing with them.

What did they from you to give you the re-issue rate? My LE has similar cost for Title Insurance.

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