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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

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EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jun 27, 2020
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Edge
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Quote from Aaron_1121 :
****If you have refinanced in the past 5 years, ask you previous title company for a re-issue rate.**** It may save you 20-50%.
Does this apply also if you got a new mortgage/home within the last 5 years or only for refinanced ?
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Quote from nyforever :
Here are my current numbers:
A = $0, B = $64, C = $3,133. J (Lender Credits) = -$3,196. Making the loan cost $1, for 30 year conforming 2.75% mortgage. Plus $2,500 bonus from Amex, this is incredible.
This maybe a dumb question but the $2,500 Amex credit doesn't have a minimum requirement ? You can put a $1 charge on the card from Better.com and still get $2,500 statement credit ?
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Quote from Edge :
This maybe a dumb question but the $2,500 Amex credit doesn't have a minimum requirement ? You can put a $1 charge on the card from Better.com and still get $2,500 statement credit ?
Those two things are not relevant to one another. You don't have to charge the final closing costs to a credit card (in fact, I believe Better requires a wire transfer). You close with Better, and you'll get $2,500 statement credit at a later point to the Amex card you give to Better (just prior to closing).
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Aaron_1121
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Quote from Edge :
Does this apply also if you got a new mortgage/home within the last 5 years or only for refinanced ?
I should have worded that sentence better.....

If you purchased a home 5 years ago, you would have obtained Title Insurance on your original purchase loan. You can go back to that title company and ask for a re-issue rate when you refinance.

In some cases, some people who are in the processing of purchasing a new property have asked and obtained the title insurance information from the seller of the property. They have then asked the Title Agent for a re-issue rate. They claim to have gotten a discount..... but I have never seen it happen with this situation personally.

I hope that is a little clearer. I will try to update the original post.
Last edited by Aaron_1121 June 27, 2020 at 01:33 PM.
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Quote from Aaron_1121 :
I should have worded that sentence better.....

If you purchased a home 5 years ago, you would have obtained Title Insurance on your original purchase loan. You can go back to that title company and ask for a re-issue rate when you refinance.

In some cases, some people who are in the processing of purchasing a new property have asked and obtained the title insurance information from the seller of the property They have then asked the Title Agent for a re-issue rate. They claim to have gotten a discount..... but I have never seen it happen with this situation personally.

I hope that is a little clearer. I will try to update the original post.
This completely depends on your state as well. For example, in Pennsylvania, title insurance is regulated and every company will charge you the same price for the insurance itself (then add onto that for their profits). There are only two fee structures: "Sale" and "Non-Sale". A refinance will be a "Non-Sale". Here's a PA-specific calculator, to tell you how much it will be at a minimum:
https://www.pafirsttimehomebuyer....lator.html
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Quote from nyforever :
This completely depends on your state as well. For example, in Pennsylvania, title insurance is regulated and every company will charge you the same price for the insurance itself (then add onto that for their profits). There are only two fee structures: "Sale" and "Non-Sale". A refinance will be a "Non-Sale". Here's a PA-specific calculator, to tell you how much it will be at a minimum:
https://www.pafirsttimehomebuyer....lator.html
Great Point!

Running through a couple of calculators may still be a valuable exercise. You can check settlement fees, and see if you are being charged the correct recording fee for your county.
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Quote from flyersrule :
One of our properties (not the property we are refi'ing)is 1 month into forbearance since no one new what was happening with Covid. The statement shows 1 month behind payment so it raised a flag.

If I make that current and resent while remaining in forbearance will I be good? If not would I need to make current and get out of forbearance with a note stating so from that lender?
Quote from sailakfan :
Once you pay off the outstanding balance, your current lender should give you a account in current standing letter. That is sufficient.
"Homeowners who are in COVID-19 forbearance but continue to make their mortgage payment will not be penalized," FHFA Director Mark Calabria said in the announcement.

"Additionally, borrowers will be allowed to get a new mortgage — whether it's a refinance or purchase loan — three months after their forbearance ends and they have made three consecutive payments under their repayment plan, payment deferral option or loan modification."

"Typically, borrowers can only get a new mortgage, whether it's to refinance or to buy a home, a year after their payments are up to date post-forbearance."
https://www.marketwatch.com/story...2020-05-19
https://www.bankrate.com/mortgage...refinance/

Quote from Switching2Geico :
Just locked with better at 2.25% for 15 years at 510k. $4k discount given. $4k due at close plus i still get appraisal refund and $2500 amex credit. Im in CA. What companies are u guys recommending to save on title and recording?
Check Title Forward (Redfin) and Radian Title. Check this thread.
https://slickdeals.net/f/14125196-shop-for-title-insurance?v=1

Quote from CBB123 :
Has anybody done a cash out refi on a rental with better? I got a quote from hightech online, but when I called they said they're not doing them. Lenderfi won't even generate results.
Quote from SDRebel :
some lenders don't do investment properties, then you add cash out refi and it's complicated twice...
I do think people have done investment properties, but can't recall if anyone has done one with cash out.
During Oct 2019, I obtained cash-out refinance on an investment property through AIMLoan. I got 3.625% (15 years) after paying $2400 points (1.296%). Total loan cost was $5400. I debated for a long time and finally decided to pay for points earlier. I would have got $625 credit (for same rate instead of paying $2400) if there was no cashout option. Sebonic offered 4.375% for $867 discount fee. I did not go with Sebonic earlier.

Quote from SDRebel :
did anyone here use https://www.loancabin.com/ ? i ended up using a local lender for my match, but thinking about loancabin next. their rates (in my case) are damn good
seeing 2.25 for 15yr and 2.625 for 30yr
Thanks for the link. They service few states. I will check them out.
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Quote from stm69 :
Not as pronounced as paying a 30 like a 15, but amortization table still going to take a small bite.
This is incorrect.

Let's say we have a 5 year, 10 year, 15 year, 20 year, and 30 year loan, each with the exact same interest rate and exact same closing costs.

5 year @ 2% for $250k with $4,381.94/mo minimum payment = $12,916.41 in interest at end of loan
10 year @ 2% for $250k with $2,300.34/mo minimum payment, but $4,381.94/mo paid instead = $12,916.41 in interest when loan is finished in 5 years
15 year, 2%, $250k, $1,608.77/mo min, $4,381.94/mo paid = $12,916.41 in interest when loan paid off in 5 years
20 year, 2%, $250k, $1,264.71/mo min, $4,381/94/mo paid = $12,916.41 interest over 5 years
30 year, 2%, $250k, $924.05/mo min, $4,381/94/mo paid = $12,916.41 interest over 5 years

Each one is exactly the same. What typically is the actual different in real world examples is that the longer terms have higher interest rates.
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Quote from Switching2Geico :
Just locked with better at 2.25% for 15 years at 510k. $4k discount given. $4k due at close plus i still get appraisal refund and $2500 amex credit. Im in CA. What companies are u guys recommending to save on title and recording?
What you mean by 4k discount given ? 4k is lender credit and no points purchase ?
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Quote from befriendly :
6/11 - Today I closed the loan with Better

The process was simple and easy with Better and technically I could have closed last week if it was not for my 2nd half of tax payment from my current mortgage provider. In summary I could have closed it less than 3 weeks or maybe even 2 weeks which I never experienced. Kudos to Better Team with the exception of "Jimmie Arterberry" who supposed to be my Dedicated Concierge. Jimmie never returned any e-mails or calls to my request even after scheduling sometime with him. If I counted on Jimmie I would never have closed it with Better.

Now the second phase begins - I am surprised to see my loan already before I closed it. It never happened to me and interesting to see how market in this space is heating up. My biggest concern though is - My loan is sold to "The Money Source" based in Dallas. A quick Google led me to worry significantly with their poor and unprofessional customer services. Have you guys had any of your loan sold to The Money Source (TMS)? If so, can you share how long it has been since the loan was sold and your experience with them? Based on google reviews, I am thinking to cancel this loan with Better or force them to sell to someone else? Any thoughts or ideas related to this?
How's TMS now that you've closed? I too find my loan sold of to TMS at close.
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Is this deal repeatable for the $2500 credit, and will better.com refinance a property they already refinanced? I did the deal with better for a refinance (which has since been sold off), am I able to refinance with them again? Thinking about going through them again to get from 3.375 to 2.675...
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Quote from CycloneFW :
This is incorrect.

Let's say we have a 5 year, 10 year, 15 year, 20 year, and 30 year loan, each with the exact same interest rate and exact same closing costs.

5 year @ 2% for $250k with $4,381.94/mo minimum payment = $12,916.41 in interest at end of loan
10 year @ 2% for $250k with $2,300.34/mo minimum payment, but $4,381.94/mo paid instead = $12,916.41 in interest when loan is finished in 5 years
15 year, 2%, $250k, $1,608.77/mo min, $4,381.94/mo paid = $12,916.41 in interest when loan paid off in 5 years
20 year, 2%, $250k, $1,264.71/mo min, $4,381/94/mo paid = $12,916.41 interest over 5 years
30 year, 2%, $250k, $924.05/mo min, $4,381/94/mo paid = $12,916.41 interest over 5 years

Each one is exactly the same. What typically is the actual different in real world examples is that the longer terms have higher interest rates.
Which is why in times like these where 30 and 15 year loan rates are so close, it's a no-brainer to do 30 year loans and then pay them like 15 year loans *when you can*. 30 year loans just give you more flexibility should you *not* want to pay as much some months.
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Quote from wallewalle :
How's TMS now that you've closed? I too find my loan sold of to TMS at close.
TMS services my loan. I really like them alot. Their website is fantastic and I've had nothing but good experience with their customer service. I wish I could choose who my loan gets sold to, because I'd choose them again!
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I just wrapped up a 30 year fixed refinance with another lender.

For how much % below my current interest rate, do you think going through another refinance process + closing costs would be worth the trouble? .125% below? .25% below?

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Quote from hdlk :
I just wrapped up a 30 year fixed refinance with another lender.

For how much % below my current interest rate, do you think going through another refinance process + closing costs would be worth the trouble? .125% below? .25% below?
I think a better way to look at is for how much up front in/out of your pocket and over the life of the loan is it worth refinancing.

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