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Amex offer: $2,500 statement credit for home refinance Better.com

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I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.
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Must have an amex to add offer to your account. Details:

Unlock even more as an
American Express® Card Member with an exclusive mortgage offer from Better.com
Better.com is making the homebuying and refinance experiences more rewarding, with a $2,500 statement credit and more, exclusively for eligible Card Members. See offer terms below.

https://www.americanexpress.com/u...-OfferHub2

EDIT information from Better.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello,
I work with Better,com and wanted to see if you could please add in the following information to your post on Amex/Better,com deal as it reads incorrect as it stands, especially regarding eligibility. We want to make sure the offer is stated as accurately as possible:
1) Mortgage rates of any specific customer, stated or otherwise, should not be taken as indicative of a mortgage rate available to all customers. Pricing is based on a number of factors, including the individual credit profile of a potential borrower.
2) The offer is only available to those borrowers who have been marketed to directly by American Express, and those who have not received the offer on their Amex portal or via email are not eligible.

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Jul 01, 2020 03:12 PM
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SDRebelJul 01, 2020 03:12 PM
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Quote from gk6740 :
Come on folks, this thread is about home loans. There are thousands of stocks worth discussin, but not here.
you are right. this thread is long enough
Jul 01, 2020 03:16 PM
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GianAngeloGiraffeJul 01, 2020 03:16 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
Since, 2007 i've done about 12 or so Refinances on the current property.


My memory isnt good but in one of the 2009-2010 years alone I did 3-4 refinances. I was given almost $8,000 in Negative points for my mortgage balance which In most cases would only allow up to $2000 back or rolled back into the loan as a principle reduction. The rest had to be used for Escrows and since I shopped and used title company of my choosing who used to provide a Re-issue discount in PA (which PA has since stopped) I was paying about $3-$4K in closing and keeping about $4800 in each close since the Escrows are money you'd pay no matter what.


Shahhere
I've also been sort of a serial refinancer over the years, and have used a similar strategy, focusing just as much on making money off the refi transaction as on lowering my rate. Curious if the board thinks it makes sense.

My strategy has generally been to get as large a lender credit as possible. If the credit can fund the new escrow, then the refunded escrow from the old loan is profit for us.

On a 400K loan, if a rate is an 1/8 of a point higher, the monthly will be about $30 higher. Depending on your tax situation, it might only end up being about $20 higher, if you're itemizing and deducting your interest payments. So my theory is that if you get an extra 2000 credit for choosing 3 percent instead of 2.875, it will take 100 months before the lower rate benefits you, and more so if you factor whatever gain you get from saving/investing the 2000.

Also, going with a rate like 3 now gives you more room to refi again at a rate like 2.75 in a few months. If you forego a credit or pay points to get the lower rate now, rates would need to go down more significantly for you to refi again.
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SiennaDeer8270Jul 01, 2020 03:23 PM
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Quote from GianAngeloGiraffe :
I've also been sort of a serial refinancer over the years, and have used a similar strategy, focusing just as much on making money off the refi transaction as on lowering my rate. Curious if the board thinks it makes sense.

My strategy has generally been to get as large a lender credit as possible. If the credit can fund the new escrow, then the refunded escrow from the old loan is profit for us.

On a 400K loan, if a rate is an 1/8 of a point higher, the monthly will be about $30 higher. Depending on your tax situation, it might only end up being about $20 higher, if you're itemizing and deducting your interest payments. So my theory is that if you get an extra 2000 credit for choosing 3 percent instead of 2.875, it will take 100 months before the lower rate benefits you, and more so if you factor whatever gain you get from saving/investing the 2000.

Also, going with a rate like 3 now gives you more room to refi again at a rate like 2.75 in a few months. If you forego a credit or pay points to get the lower rate now, rates would need to go down more significantly for you to refi again.
It depends on your life goals. If you have one single property and thats the only one you'll ever have, then refinance all you want. What are you going to do with that 2k? Buy two shares of tsla? Then sure, great move.

But those of us that think way bigger, want as many investment properties as possible, want over half a million rental income a year, excessive refinancing can hurt your ability to get loans.
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ppatel334Jul 01, 2020 03:28 PM
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Update on my process with Better:
I started the process last week for $230k loan and locked at 2.75% for $770 in points. I submitted everything fast and about to be cleared to close. But over the weekend I had homefinity reach out to me as I was shopping around. They were able to give me 2.625% for $384 in points. I contacted my processing expert at better about this and they told me to get a loan estimate. I was able to convince homefinity rep to create the estimate without running my credit and I showed him my credit scores since they were already ran at better just a few days go. I got the loan estimate and sent it to better and they matched eveything!!!. I am now at 2.625% for $384 in points with better! Plus the AMEX $2.5k offer this is a sweet deal and I actually made some money from it.
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JetBlastJul 01, 2020 03:58 PM
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Quote from GianAngeloGiraffe :
I've also been sort of a serial refinancer over the years, and have used a similar strategy, focusing just as much on making money off the refi transaction as on lowering my rate. Curious if the board thinks it makes sense.

My strategy has generally been to get as large a lender credit as possible. If the credit can fund the new escrow, then the refunded escrow from the old loan is profit for us.

On a 400K loan, if a rate is an 1/8 of a point higher, the monthly will be about $30 higher. Depending on your tax situation, it might only end up being about $20 higher, if you're itemizing and deducting your interest payments. So my theory is that if you get an extra 2000 credit for choosing 3 percent instead of 2.875, it will take 100 months before the lower rate benefits you, and more so if you factor whatever gain you get from saving/investing the 2000.

Also, going with a rate like 3 now gives you more room to refi again at a rate like 2.75 in a few months. If you forego a credit or pay points to get the lower rate now, rates would need to go down more significantly for you to refi again.
I get that mindset, but I don't like the idea of starting the term over again. Unless I go to a 15 year, I don't want to re-do a 20 year down the road. I'm getting 2.875% on a 20 year with $3,800 in lender credits. I'm getting $1,500 back at close plus the amex credit. I'm not sure if it's worth shopping around more to lower that rate and save $15 a month.
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varun_v16Jul 01, 2020 03:59 PM
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Quote from Abhirup :
I just locked with better for a purchase, anyone with experience of purchasing through them? Typically how much time do they take to close?
I'm closing in 3 weeks but everything is smooth so far. Some other new purchases also went smoothly in the thread previously. Fingers crossed. What rate have you locked?
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DogAndPonyJul 01, 2020 04:18 PM
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I closed a bit over a week ago. When should I expect to receive this email from Better or Amex confirming that I qualified for the statement credit?

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SiennaDeer8270Jul 01, 2020 04:20 PM
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Quote from ppatel334 :
Update on my process with Better:
I started the process last week for $230k loan and locked at 2.75% for $770 in points. I submitted everything fast and about to be cleared to close. But over the weekend I had homefinity reach out to me as I was shopping around. They were able to give me 2.625% for $384 in points. I contacted my processing expert at better about this and they told me to get a loan estimate. I was able to convince homefinity rep to create the estimate without running my credit and I showed him my credit scores since they were already ran at better just a few days go. I got the loan estimate and sent it to better and they matched eveything!!!. I am now at 2.625% for $384 in points with better! Plus the AMEX $2.5k offer this is a sweet deal and I actually made some money from it.
Homefinity has no instant online quote. They need to email you the results. That's junk in this day and age. Who is going to give them real information to spam just to get a quote? Every lender should give you an estimate instantly online.
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AbhirupJul 01, 2020 04:22 PM
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Quote from varun_v16 :
I'm closing in 3 weeks but everything is smooth so far. Some other new purchases also went smoothly in the thread previously. Fingers crossed. What rate have you locked?
Can I pm u?
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kapujuJul 01, 2020 04:24 PM
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Quote from shahhere :
Guys that are working with Loan Cabin; things are slow? Their Reviews look good but want to hear from others who are working with them? I have email and calls confirming the 2.75% 30 Year with -$1000 back and no fees but not an official Loan Estimate and an option to close as I think thats the best I've gotten so far.

Does loancabin give instant info without credit pull?

Shahhere
I'm in PA too and finalizing the process with better 809 credit 225k loan on 450 property. 3% with about $959 closing costs then -2500 Amex but would definitely like to get paid for a 2.75. Can you provide any more info?
Last edited by kapuju July 1, 2020 at 09:28 AM.
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CycloneFWJul 01, 2020 04:30 PM
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Quote from SiennaDeer8270 :
Homefinity has no instant online quote. They need to email you the results. That's junk in this day and age. Who is going to give them real information to spam just to get a quote? Every lender should give you an estimate instantly online.
While I don't disagree with you and also feel every lender should give estimates online, I will say that in shopping around, I have found the best offers I get are from the lenders that do not publish online info. Sad truth in my anecdotal experience.
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Quote from kapuju :
I'm in PA too and finalizing the process with better 809 credit 225k loan on 450 property. 3% with about $959 closing costs then -2500 Amex but would definitely like to get paid for a 2.75. Can you provide any more info?

Sure: its Loan Cabin and I applied online and called their phone number and got connected to a lady Samantha Schlarb 312-350-2324.


I am sure your rates will vary but for me: 240k/520k 800+credit with 2.75% and -$1000 credit.


The are slow but I asked for documents and said I am locked with the above and they will send disclosures (did not ask for a lock but i am good with the rates once i see the paperwork lol).



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Quote from CycloneFW :
While I don't disagree with you and also feel every lender should give estimates online, I will say that in shopping around, I have found the best offers I get are from the lenders that do not publish online info. Sad truth in my anecdotal experience.

Can they force you to request a SS and apply? Any link? Lenders saying Apply and Provide SS.


The way i look at it having credit run in a 14day window for the same type is batched in a single query.


Shahhere
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gk6740Jul 01, 2020 04:58 PM
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I did multiple online. They really need lots of details before giving a quote.

I suppose they could list the various rates based on different states, loan to value, payment to income ratio, various FICO scores, types of houses, etc. Way too many variables.

I did 6 or 7 different ones giving them all the information. Most did a REAL quote either on the stop or within a day.

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gk6740Jul 01, 2020 05:01 PM
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RE : TITLE CLOSING COSTS WITH BETTER

I am in process right now. Original quote for the Title section (C) was around $1,800 without appraisal. When the Better Title company got hold of it, it dropped to $1,500. I have a quote locally for $1200.

Anyone have any luck getting Better Title folks to adjust their rates?

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